Mathues Admits Board Backed Capitol Architect Huston
Ex state treasurer William L Mathues testified before the Capitol Investigation Commission that the Board of Public Grounds and Buildings acted with absolute trust in Capitol architect Joseph M Huston while he served on the board Mathues said Huston effectively controlled top offices and favored contractor John H Sanderson who was often short of funds He denied any financial stake in contracts or payments to contractors and noted Pennypackers bid strategy to award the entire furnishings contract to one bidder while others had lower itemized bids He also said a late night Treasury visit was a social call to the night watchman and not a probe of state records
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Harrisburg
Penn
William L. Mathues
Capitol Investigation Commission
Board of Public Grounds and Buildings
Joseph M. Huston
Capitol
Mathues
Huston
John H. Sanderson
Sanderson
Pennypacker
Dewalt
Portable hot air engine fan hots india market
Consul E H Dennison reports a German portable fan using a hot air engine has entered Bombay. It runs on a kerosene lamp and costs about one fifth the running cost of electric fans, suits areas without power, weighs thirty pounds, and can be moved easily for use in offices, shops, and homes.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
E. H. Dennison
Bombay
India
Cuban views on intervention in Cuba 18 months
Havana reports Taft's pledge to continue American intervention for eighteen months. La Discusion approves, expecting reforms by the provisional government and hinting at further extension. La Lucha argues extension could further disintegrate existing political parties.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Havana
William H. Taft
Cuba
la Discusion
Major Harper Hospitalized After Shootout with Broker
Major T Lemuel Harper, who fired five shots at Levi DeWolf, lies in a local hospital in serious condition. A mental and physical wreck, he was a close friend of Harry K Thaw. Observers believe the Thaw case, plus two weeks with William Thaw III, influenced his actions.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
the Tribune
Pittsburg
T. Lemuel Harper
Levi DeWolf
Major Harper
Harry K. Thaw
Thaw
William Thaw
Harry
DeWolf
Harper
Frear Named Governor of Hawaii by Roosevelt
President Roosevelt appoints William F. Frear to be Governor of Hawaii with duties to begin mid August. Frear, a California native and Yale graduate, currently serves as chief justice of the Honolulu Supreme Court. Frear has telegraphed his acceptance from Honolulu.
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Frear
Oyster Bay
Roosevelt
William F. Frear
Hawaii
Mr. Frear
California
Yale
Supreme Court of
Honolulu
Boy's Voice Wins Liberty in Minneapolis Case
Walter Cooper a wandering minstrel from Chicago sang his way into a Minneapolis Municipal Court ruling leading to his return to his mother. Chicago women once kidnapped him to Alaska to sing in dance halls. after escaping, he reached Minneapolis and was arrested for vagrancy.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Tribune
Cat adopts a family of mice in Meridian warehouse
A mother cat in the Thomas Lyle Mercantile Company warehouse has adopted thirteen half grown mice after her five kittens were killed. She guards the brood with unusual care, treating the mice as her own with affectionate protection.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
the Tribune
Meridian
Miss
Thomas Lyle Mercantile Company
Oklahoma Republicans set Tulsa convention for July 12
Oklahoma City report says J L Harmon calls state convention in Tulsa on July 12 to nominate a State ticket. Arrangements include addresses by Taft Landis and Cannon. Also notes a South Orange fire started by a bottle of witch hazel igniting a curtain with seltzer water aiding extinguishment.
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Oklahoma City
Okla
J. L. Harmon
Republican
Tulsa
Taft
Landis
Cannon
South Orange
N. J
William C. Brown
South Orange Avenue
Nine Breweries Form City Wide St Louis Merger
A merger of nine independent breweries in St Louis Missouri East St Louis Illinois and Granite City Illinois was officially announced. The new company will have capital stock of eight million dollars with Henry Griescheck of St Louis to serve as president.
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St. Louis
East St. Louis
Granite City
Ill
Henry Griescheck
Massachusetts Senate approves anti-railroad merger bill
Boston June 26 The anti-railroad merger bill passed the Massachusetts Senate for a third reading without division and action was deferred until tomorrow The bill passed the House yesterday.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Boston
Massachusetts Senate
House
Oceanic Ahead of German Steamer by Seven Hours
The White Star liner Oceanic arrived seven hours ahead of the Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, having left Southampton about twelve hours after the German steamer. Ambassador-designate Thomas J. O’Brien, former Denmark minister, aboard, said the Japan assignment surprised him and that language gaps fueled any minor friction with Japan. Tenor Denis O’Sullivan, returning to San Francisco to stage Peggy Macree, also aboard. Four men claiming Scotland Yard affiliation toured the ship, sparking rumors of a race to recover an Ascot cup or to pursue Tiffany’s jewelry theft suspects Green and Rohrer.
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White Star
Southampton
Thomas J. O’brien
Japan
Luke E. Wright
Oceanic
O'Brien
Denmark
Copenhagen
Washington
Tokio
O’brien
Denis O’sullivan
San Francisco
England
Peggy Macree
Scotland Yard
Green
Rohrer
Tiffany's
London
Walter Camp Finds English Baseball Laughable in London
Walter Camp, Yale athletic adviser, who has been in England five weeks, arrived with his wife on the ship Caronia. He described English baseball as laughable and recounted a Rhodes vs Oxford Football players game where scores grew high as enthusiasm rose with errors. He attended the Yale Harvard game in New Haven delayed by fog and will watch the Yale Harvard boat race today. He expects football regulations to remain essentially unchanged.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Walter Camp
Yale University
England
Cunard
Caronia
London
Camp
Rhodes
Oxford
Harvard
New Haven
New London
Metz to Study Foreign Filtration Plans
Controller Metz will study European filtration plants including Hamburg before deciding on the Jerome Park east branch plant and the $4,000,000 Water Department appropriation. He departs July 8 for Hamburg and plans to return by late August to review the subject with the Water Department. He aims to gain continental knowledge and not delay the project without cause.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Jerome Park
Water Department
Metz
Hamburg
Europe
Man commits suicide with dynamite after marriage dispute
Monroe Michigan June 26 George Kummer a quarryman killed himself using a stick of dynamite in the barn behind his wife's home after she refused to return to him because of his drinking. He had carried the dynamite from his quarry and apparently planned the self inflicted blast if her stance persisted.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Monroe, Mich
George Kummer
Dinner for Gelderland Officers at Metropolitan Club
Warner Van Norden hosted a dinner for Gelderland cruiser officers of the Netherlands navy at the Metropolitan Club. Thirty six guests attended including Captain Baron W. D. H. Asbeck Rear Admiral Coghlan retired Major General Frederick D. Grant J. R. Planten Netherlands consul general at this port and local judges. A telegraph message from President Roosevelt conveyed his hearty congratulations to the guests.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Netherlands
Gelderland
Warner van Norden
Metropolitan Club
Baron W. D. H. Asbeck
Coghlan
Frederick D. Grant
J. R. Planten
G. M. van Hoesen
Augustus van Wyck
Roosevelt
Morrisania to Celebrate Fifty-Ninth Founding Anniversary
The North Side Board of Trade plans a large October celebration for Morrisania founding. A committee on practicability reported favorably and preparations will start promptly to make the event one of the largest in the North Side’s history.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Morrisania
North Side
Yale Man on Bicycle Kills Woman
In New Haven on June 25 a Yale senior W A Perry riding a Diegle fatally struck Mrs George F Russell of Park street as she walked. Medical Examiner Bartlett rules death accidental in an official opinion filed today. Perry, a Tarboro North Carolina native, graduated today.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
YALE
New Haven
Conn
George F. Russell
Park Street
W. A. Perry
Bartlett
Perry
Tarboro
N.C
Suit of Dr Peters Continues Against Munich Paper
Munich June 26. The suit of Dr Carl Peters, the African explorer, against the Munich Post was continued today. The principal witness, a non commissioned officer named Wilhelm, testified about the expedition when atrocities are alleged to have occurred. Dr Peters denied much of the testimony, saying it was based on native rumors. The hearing was adjourned.
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Munich
Carl Peters
Miinchner
Wilhelm
Peters
City News in Brief: Crimes and Accidents Prompt Widespread Alerts
A cashier at Merchants Despatch Co. was beaten and robbed of 1100 at a West Smith Street stable. he lies with a fractured skull in J Hood Wright Hospital. Yonkers youth Arieo Benarresso is hospitalized after a cave-in during bridge construction. Angelo Landero, detained for Italian murders, is sentenced to die in early August. Hungarian bonds seized in Zilahan were handed to the Hungarian Consul. A severed hand, likely from a medical student, was found on Pearl Street and sent to the Morgue. Lizzie Toy, two, fell sixty feet from a Jack Street home window and died.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Andrew Bauer
West 1Mith Street
Merchants’ Despatch Company
Bauer
J. Hood Wright Hospital
Arieo Benaresso
South Park Hill
Yonkers
Fordham Hospital
Fordham Heights
Harlem
Angelo Landero
Hester Street
Italy
Rosalsky
Court of General Sessions
Michael di Ambro
Bedford Park
Landero
Itanan
Zilahan
Hungary
Antwerp
Isaac Hersher
E. J. Enwright
Pearl Street
Hamilton Street
Harburger
Lizzie Toy
Jack
Rain Delays Play at Women's National Tennis Championship
At the Philadelphia Cricket Club rain cut today's schedule short. In doubles, Neely and Weimer beat Chapman and Pouch in the first round, while singles saw Chase and Scott win in second round action. Helen Homans will not defend her national singles title, as she is reportedly marrying. Mixed doubles and men’s singles results followed with several defaults and tight matches among notable players from Philadelphia, New York, and nearby states.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Philadelphia
Philadelphia Cricket Club
St. Martin's
Carrie B. Neely
Cincinnati
Marie Weimer
Washington
G. L. Chapman
Nyack
N. Y
W. H. Pouch
Englewood
N. J
Helen Homans
New York
Clara T. Chase
Natalie Wildey
E. Scott
N. Williams
Marion Sharwood
Helen Rodgers
Helen Hodge
Ross
N. Ostheimer
Caroline Clothier
Neily
Weimer
Fire destroys Pine Beach hotels near Jamestown Exposition
A daytime blaze at Pine Beach near the Jamestown Exposition grounds in Norfolk destroys 40 to 50 frame structures between Virginia and Maryland avenues and 102d to 108th streets. The blaze, likely from the Berkley Hotel, left two dead and about 1000 people homeless, with losses estimated at 250 000 to 300 000 dollars and insurance around 20 percent. The Powhatan Guards and exposition fire department halted spread as 23d United States Infantry were ordered out. The Inside Inn and Kentucky State Building faced threats during the fire.
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Norfolk
Pine Beach
Jamestown Exposition Grounds
Virginia
Maryland Avenue
Exposition Avenue
Exposition Grounds
Inside Inn
Kentucky State Building
Royal Pine
Hampton Roads
Washington House
Outside Inn
Powhatan
Carolina
Berkley
Exposition
23D
United States Infantry
Berkley Hotel
Talk Of New Treaty With Japan
London reports that Japan and the United States may replace the existing treaty in 1908. Japan will strive to put subjects on an equal footing with Europe while no serious difficulty is expected before that year.
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London
The
Daily Mail
Tokio
Japan
United States
Europe
Wall Street Plot Sold Adjoins Orient Building
A four story Wall Street building on a 43.10 by 41.4 foot plot at Wall and Water streets, adjoining the Orient Building, sold for about 225000. John G. Agar, who already owned the Orient, now controls the entire block front on the south side of Wall Street. Brokers Douglas Robinson and Charles S. Brown & Co. arranged the deal.
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John G. Agar
Wall and
Water Sts
Orient Building
Agar
Douglas Robinson
Charles S. Brown & Co
Mr. Agar
Wall St
Pearl and
West 21St St
Oathout Realty Company
Stuyvesant
Livingston Place
17Th St
Kerman Realty Company
Isaac Polstein
Polstein
101St St
First Ave
Pease & Elliman
Heilner & Wolff
West West St
Real Estate Exchange
Vesey St
Samuel Goldsticker
East 78Th St
Convent Are
Idlst St
Goldsticker
J. A. Deering
Joseph P. Day
Edge
Bronx
Old City of
New York
Edgemere
Long Island
Rockaway Peninsula
Managers dine at Coney Island Luna Park affair
Frederic Thompson hosted circulation managers from New York Newark and Trenton at Luna Park last night. They traveled by boat to Coney Island and were escorted to Hotel Della Napoli on Surf avenue where a dinner was served before visiting the park attractions.
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Coney Island
Frederic Thompson
New York
Newark
Trenton
Luna Park
Davies sells Grand Ave plot to Church mission group
J Clarence Davies sold three parcels on the east side of Grand avenue 150 feet south of 181st street to the Church of God Missionary Society which will establish a home at 2450 Grand avenue and erect a mission house on the site.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
J. Clarence Davies
Jerome Avenue Realty Company
Grand Ave
Church of God Missionary Society
Frisco Strike Indictments Involving Streetcar Violence
San Francisco grand jury in Lawler's court returns four indictments against nine persons for acts of violence during the United Railroads streetcar strike. The charges stem from clashes during the ongoing labor dispute.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
San Francisco
Lawler
United Railroads
Chicago Grain and Provisions Market Sluggish But Ends Strong
June 2 Chicago report shows wheat up and firm close on damp Kansas rains and Northwest shortages. September wheat up. corn firm on liberal shipments. oats steady. Provisions weak from ample hog supplies. Receipts: wheat 123000, corn 366, oats 7, hogs 30,000.
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Chicago
Northwest
Liverpool
Kansas
North Dakota
France
Germany
Russia
Wake Tower
M@Sige
Hye
Sige
Minneapolis
Duluth
Ohio
Ilinois
Third United Cities Realty buys Brooklyn parcel on Smith St and 2d Place
The Third United Cities Realty Corporation purchased an irregularly shaped lot at Smith Street and 2nd Place Brooklyn with 114 foot frontage on Smith Street and 70 feet on 24 Place. The brownstone building has six stores on the ground floor and apartments above, plus a rear dwelling. Purchased from the Alexander N White estate, the deal is structured to net a yield of about 1.5 percent for the neighborhood. The building is fully rented, and value is expected to rise as the area densifies.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
United Cities Realty Corporation
Smith St
2D Place
Alexander N. White
Plot for thirteen lots at corner of Brook and St Ann avenues
Louis J. Pooler lists W. H. Murphy plot of thirteen lots at the northeast corner of Brook Ave and St Ann Ave extending through to St. Ann Avenue. Frontage is 100 feet on Brook Ave 154.4 feet on St Ann Ave and 754 feet on St. Ann Ave. Asking price is $100 000.
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Louis J. Pooler
W. H. Murphy
Hrook Ave
Eth St
St. Ann’s Ave
Yrook Ave
St. . Ans Ave
Park Ave Apartment House Sold to New Owners
William H. Rosenblatt and Fleck and Brown sold a seven story elevator apartment house on a plot 100.8 by 100 feet at the southeast corner of 88th street and Park avenue to Samuel Straster. Hyman Horwitz and Levy and Weinstein became the new owners. Pehleman and Schwegler sold for Maud E. Molloy the Ackerly at Nos. 1 and 243 West 11th Street a seven story apartment house on a plot 60 by 103.2 feet.
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Park Ave
William H. Rosenblatt
Fleck & Brown
Samuel Straster
Hyman Horwitz
Levy & Weinstein
88Th St
Ackerly
Pehleman & Schwegler
Maud E. Molloy
West 11St St
Thomas Kennedy Purchases Brick Dwelling in Sagamore Club Row
J Clarence Davies sold to Thomas Kennedy, president of the Sagamore Club, at No 19 Morris Ave a three story brick dwelling on a 20 by 100 foot lot. The property is part of a row of new houses and was conveyed for August Jacobs.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
J. Clarence Davies
August Jacobs
Thomas Kennedy
Sagamore Club
Morris Ave
Plans to enlarge two four story dwellings on Park and Wentworth
Plans filed for enlarging William W Hall's four story plus basement dwelling at 15 East 75th Street and Theodore Wentz's four story house at 328 Went 17th Street. Architects Alexander McMillan Welch and Samuel R Bishop.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
East 75Th St
William W W. Hall
Theodore Wentz
Alexander McMillan Welch
Samuel R. Bishop
Plans for eleven story loft building at 33 and 23 West 17th St
Plans filed with Buildings Superintendent Murphy by Meteor Realty Co for an eleven story loft building with ground floor stores at 33 and 23 West 17th street. It will span 50 feet frontage and 87 feet depth with an extension. Brick facade with limestone and terra cotta trim. Estimated cost $280000. Architects Behwartz and Gress.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Murphy
West 17Th St
Meteor Realty Company
Behwartz & Gress
Atlantic Hotel Sale In Bridgeport Transferred To Ruhl
The Matt J Ward Co sold the Atlantic Hotel Bridgeport Conn including furniture fixtures lease and goodwill to Frank Miller who sold to Charles H Ruhl. Ruhl is now in possession after recently liquidating his Hotel Caswell stake in Baltimore.
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Matt. J. Ward Company
Atlantic
Bridgeport
Realty Notes Lease Details Across Broadway and Cities
Denzer Brothers lease multiple floors and stores at 418 to 422 Broadway 427 Broadway 441 Broadway 532 and 34 Broadway 16 Walker Street 168 Greene Street 174 Wooster Street 07 Wooster Street 9 Jones Street and 4 Mercer Street. William Waldorf Astor leases banking room in Astor Court Building. Sherman National Bank to occupy former Astor National Bank site in West 34th Street. Pease Elliman lease Greenwich estate known as the McClave place to Mrs E M Bell for the season.
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Denzer Brothers
Broadway
Walker St
Greene St
Wooster St
Jones St
Mercer St
William Waldorf Astor
Astor Court Building
West 34Th St
Astor National Bank
Sherman National Bank
Pease & Elliman
Eicar L. Marston
McClave
Greenwich
Conn
Mra. E. M. Bell
Chicago and Kansas City Live Stock Market Roundup
Markets report cattle receipts around 17 000 head with values near 460 to 610 for steers and 600 plus for hogs at Chicago and Pittsburgh readings noting steady to slow for sheep and lambs. Kansas City shows 7 500 cattle and 17 000 hogs with steady to firm bids on export cattle and slabs of pork and mixed weights, plus lambs at 7 to 7.60.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Chicago
Pittsburg
ATLE
Kansas City
Texas
Real estate deals flood city listings in lengthy transfers
Transactions in Realty report multiple sales across Manhattan and nearby streets. Buyers include Isaac Saltz Nos at 140 and 161 Broome and Jacob Hyman at 441 and 448 West WWth, with properties ranging from seven story tenements to four story dwellings and meat houses. Several firms and attorneys are named among numerous plots on East 29th, East 16th, West 123rd, and other avenues, plus flats, stores, and corner lots sold to various clients.
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Lowenstein, Papae & Co
Isaac Saltz
Broome St
BH. Katz
Jacob Hyman
West Wwth St
East Uth St
Witzer & Levis
George W. McAdam
RK. Fishman
West 16Th St
Morris Stalewitz
East 16Th St
Teon Ginsburg
Ransom Cayfill
William
Bruner Ave
Nereld
Duress Company
Meta Smith
Jacob Timble
Hoone St
Edenwald Land Companies
Doone Ave
Randall Ave
Rocco J. Magerilla
Bracken Ave
Jason Ave
Harry Friedman
Hill Ave
Samuel Schwerd
Monroe Ave
Lawrence O'Connor
Jefferson Ave
Jacob Smelow
Wright Ave
Randal
Patrick L. Walsh
Lee & Rumbaugh
Mary Gassford
Peter T
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J. M. Wistar, Jr
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W. H. Trotter
R. L. James
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H. B. Reajister
University of Pennsylvania
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Wallace F. Johnson
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Empire
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Brookliyn
Ruland & Whiting Company
Down's To Business Property
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Long Island City
Anestus Gulick CO
Fifth Ave
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Columbus Ave
N. L. & L.ottin
Ssay St
Louis Grimm
148Th St
Nwood Ave
Belmont St
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Ackerson
Fiske Terrace
Flatbush
T. B. Ackerson Company
Nass
U St
Mission House
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Arge Corndr
Marcy
Willamsburg Bridge
E. J. Kolk
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Freeport
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N. NY
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Locust Valley Farm
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Westchester County
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L. E
Whitney and Mackey Estates
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Johnson & Rerntson
Irving Place
Corona
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Rahway, N. J
Ee George
C. W. Clowe
SC Broadway
Conton
U. Todd
Priest
Long Island Real Estate
Belle Terre Estates
Dean Alvord
Long Beach
Fifth Avenue
New York City
Sale OF Bridgeport Hotel
Telegraph
Transactions IN Realty
Bardonta, N
Blassetti
West 93d St
Simon & Sommer
A. Hollander
East 74Th St
White Plains
City of
North Castle
Westchester
State of
County of Westchester
City of New York
Kensico Reservoir
Kensico
Parcel No. 165
Parcel No. 168
Parcel No. 147
Chambers Avenue
Chacabers Avenue
Saidel
Parcel No. 185
See Avenue
Lee Avenue
Chambers and Valhalla Avenu
Saff ‘Valhalla Avenr
Thalla Avenue
Same
Nethermont Avenue
Parcel No. 188
Said Avenue
Parcel No. 159
Nethermount Avenue
Hillandale Avenue
Parcel No. 120
Parcel No
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Kensico Avenue
Harlem Division
Oun
Bronx River
Register
County of
New Years
William B&b Ellison
Corporation Counsel
Offige
Hall of Records
Corner of Chambers and
Centre Streets
Borough of Manhattan
Q. M
Q M. Department
26Th Street
Gray's Ferry Road
Conde
F. G Hodgson
U. S. Army
West Point
Cms
Ffice Commissioners District OF
Offece
Panama Rail Road Company
State Street
Anderson
al T. We Full Inoo PB
Panama It Road Company
Jose H
F. C. Nordsiek
City Hotels
van Rensselaer Hotel
East Lth St
Broadway and
Sthave
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