Openings in Western Pennsylvania Football League Preview
The Western Pennsylvania Football League opens tomorrow with Pittshuree and Tlowmfields in the city meet at Recreation Park. McDonald and McKeesport opponents loom as likely contenders as New Castle debuts in a league game against McDonald-Mansfield Rovers. Rugby plans include Cleveland arrivals and possible A A A versus E G M matchups with strong teams expected this year.
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Western Pennsylvania Football League
Pittshuree
Tlowmfields
New Castle
Mec Tronaldemia
Mansfield Baseball Club
McDonald-Mansfield Rovers
McKeesport
Homestead
McKeesports
Braddock Club
Morn
John C. Smith
Pittsburg
Brainard
Cleveland
Pacheco Talks of Yale-Philadelphia Match Plans
Ex Pennsylvanian Tw Vld Pacheco in Continental Hotel says a Yale game may be played in Philadelphia next, after returning from New York. Captain McClung of Tele venom confirms interest but no official word yet from University headquarters or Onaker athletes.
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Tanapretrma
Onaker
Anson and the Leaguers Face Possible Move to Association
Chicago rumors swirl after Captain Anson leads talk of breaking with the League. Possible switch to the American Association looms as Cleveland and Brooklyn depart previously, with potential crowds and gate receipts cited for a Chicago franchise led by Anson.
Pittsburgh Team Faces Player Demands On Advances
Local Timyers refuse to sign players without advance cash after directors clash over terms. Players demand front money before signing, threatening to seek other teams if not met. A notable dissent grows as talks resume next week amid disputes among club officials and players.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hoth Mark Ballwin
Connie Mick
Win
Heve
O'Neill
Tam
Sgu
Whitch
Smath
Pictsburg
Counte Mack
Jack Knowle
Laan
Pittsburg
Erner
Legene Ap
Deere
New York Players Deny Crooked Play in Boston Games
The New York Baseball Club executive committee heard affidavits from Daniel Richardson William Ewing John Ewing Roger Connor Arthur Clark Amos Rusie and Richard Buckley denying charges of crooked play in the recent Boston series. Spalding and Talcott led the review and a full report with recommendations will go to the board Monday amid players’ anger over the accusations.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
New York
New York Baseball Club
Boston
Messrs
J. W. Spalding
EF. J. Talcott
Daniel Richardson
William and John Ewing
Roger Connor
Arthur F. Clark
Amos Rusie
Richard Buckley
Bell
Hart
Chicago
Spalding
Wi S
Ad Gumbert Dreams Chicago Comeback After Pennant Loss
East End pitcher Ad Gumbert returned home amid praise for his team. He said Anson and the entire club feel sore about missing the pennant and predicted a strong American Association club in Chicago next year with substantial backing.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Ad Gumbert
East End
Chicago
Anson
Gumbert
American Association
Allerton King Defeats Nelson in Grand Rapids Race
Allerton, the speed of Jay Bird’s progeny, defeated Nelson in a $10,000 race at Grand Rapids before about 20,000 spectators. Judges and timers oversaw the event as Allerton edged ahead in the final stretch of the four heats, claiming the title and a dramatic win amid a large crowd and high tension.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Gay Bird
Nelson
Grand Rapids
Guanpy Rarins
Allerton
Jay Bird
Daniel J. Campau
Detroit
Chicago Forceman
A. Browne
Kalamazoo
C. T. Benjamin
Saginaw
T.C. Webb
Mason, Mich
B. W. Taylor
Independence
A. R. Munger
W.M. McKalson
Bangor
Don J. Leathern
Monbars
First Race On Wet Track At Mornts Park
In wet track conditions at Mornts Park on October 3 the opening race of seven furlongs saw Stepner surge to the lead and win by a length over Woodcutter with denial from Madstone and others in pursuit. Alcina colt briefly led in the second race before Caliph took the advantage.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Mornts Park
New York Jockey Clubs
Queenston
Woodcutter
Madstone
Stepner
Hovors
Tally
Maineeast
Alcina
Caliph
Arabian success in a misted turf meet
At the track the Alcina colt edged Bilkenny for pace early in the first race while Lizzie led most of the way before Port Chester surged to the front in the final furlong Equity faded to a distant second with Lizzie. St Florian dominated the fourth race from Mount Vernon with Leonawell second. Banquet controlled the fifth race from start to finish defeating Senorita and Cam Can. Arab won the sixth race over Woodruff and Kirkover.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Alcina
Bilkenny
Lizsie
Port Chester
Equity
Penny A
Aes
Daira Lizzie
Rene
Lizzie
Tim
Mount Vernon Sakes
St Florian
Leonawell
St.Forian
S T. Florian
Banquet
Cam Can
Arab
Nist Woodruff
Kirkover
Sime
Favorites' Day at Churchill Downs Ends With Race Mishap
At Churchill Downs on October 8 the day favored favorites with mixed results as eight year olds raced. A collision in the fifth race left Matilda injuring Perkinson while Torrent rider Jones escaped unharmed. The meet featured several clear winners including Kensement in race one and Faithn in race four with strong times amid the mishap.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lorrain Ie
Churchill Downs
Torrent
Parole
Matilda
Jones
Perkinson
Kensement
Taral
Dnstance
Milo
Thine
Perblaine
Lake Kireeze
Prince of Derknerss
Dr. Nare
Throgh
Mnished
Helly of
Meade
Fear—olds
Etx
Nero
Fanvetto
Halls
Frank Kinney
Snane
Cas
Annie Irvin
Indus
Helm N
Wakely targets funding for Sullivan after Pittsburg meeting
Wakely plans to cable John I Sullivan to assess his financial condition and raise two thousand dollars if needed. A stormy meeting led the Inter Collegiate Foot Association Praecan to drop Bowdoinnee for poor showing. Michael F Dwyer will not have first call on Tony Hamilton next season as Hamilton signed with Pierre Lorillard to ride at Rancocas. Lorillard aims for a powerful stable next year including La Tosa and possibly Bermuda in his string.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pittsburg
John I. Sullivan
Wakely
Del
Inter- Colliste Foot Association Praecan
Michael F. Dwyer
Tony'’ Hamilton
Xentletian
Pierre Lorillard
Rancocas
Lorillard
la Tosa
Tomake
Bermuda
Young Men Meet as Pittsburg Hosts State YA Convention
The twenty fourth annual State Convention of the Young Men's Christian Association opens in the Opera House with J Bayard Henry in charge. Officers elected include Robert A Orr as President and C M Miller among the vice presidents. Rev Matthew B Riddle addresses Bible study as delegates from across the state arrive for sessions through Sunday.
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Diaratct
Frasklix
Young Men's Christian Association
Opera House
J. Bayard Henry
Germantown
Robert A. Orr
Pittsburg
Charles Miller
Franklin
FE. H. Reppard
Uniontown
H. BR. Gough
Scranton
H. Farnham
Lock Haven
C. B. Henry
Kingston
M Bard
Wilkesbarre
Matthew B. Riddle
Caught Up by the Law in Pittsburgh Barrroom
Multiple suspects arrested on varied charges in Allegheny and Pittsburgh city wards. Feark Dux of 890 Fifth Avenue faces assault and desertion counts. William Giexx of Basin Alley charged with felonious assault. Aston and Burta Fieshdal jailed for larceny by bailee. Lizzie Mandrick alleges trunk possession dispute led to police action.
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Feark Dux
Fifth Avenue
Seault
Filen Larkin
Dunn
Annie Dunn
McKenna Mondey
William Giexx
Basin Alley
Entries for Jerome Park races listed for tomorrow
Following is the lineup for Jerome Park tomorrow with six races including six furlongs one mile and longer events. The entries feature horses like Sir George Lillian Pessara Mastercode Pagan Wah Jim Frontenac Hodlum Saxopia Laughing Water and Con stantinople among others with weights and odds noted.
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New York
Jerome Park
Sir George
Lord Harry
Lillian
Rowe EH
Flavia
John Lackland
Maywood
Nutbrown
Early Blossom
Pessara
Mastercode
Lino Grande
Carroll
Kingmaker
Virgo
Mrfellow
Kickover
G_ W. Cook
Pagan
Luella B
Gold Dollar
Crarksman
Caps
Wah Jim
Pickpeckes
Tavieh
Recess
Madrid
Alcina
Aquilo
Necromancr
Abundance
Frontenac
Prather
Hodlum
John Cava H
Tactician
Kimberly
Rover
Gettynburg
Miss Belle
Richal
Three Army Soldiers Seek Lodging at City Station
Three U S Army men were housed at the Seventeenth Ward police station last night after being discharged about a month ago from five years service at Ft Leavenworth Kansas. They name Samuel Burgess James Dullly and James E Swinton all claim Baltimore origin and enlistment in the regular army. Each carried an honorable discharge paper and had wandered west then east before reaching the city.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
United States Army
Seventeenth Ward
Ft. Leavenworth
Kan
Samuel Burgess
James Dullly
James E. Swinton
Baltimore
Hone
Man Boycotted Over 75 Cents Meal Debt at Mahonington
A railroad crew of about sixty workers from the Pittsburg and Western at Mahonington boycotted a man named Quillcot after he sued an Akron engineer for 75 cents owed for meals. After winning judgment and costs, Quillcot faced threats from railroad men against local vendors. He then traveled to Youngstown for food and warned of further trouble for those who sold him nothing.
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Castax
Pittsburg and Western Railroad
Mahonington
Quilleot
Quillcot
Akron
Youngstown
Cape May Hotel Man's Fair Fails Under Liabilities
Anson H. Hamilton, proprietor of the Cape House and Shoreham Hotel at Cape May Point, has failed. Liabilities are stated at 100,000 dollars and assets to be determined.
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Cape May
Carrt May, WN. d
Cot
Anson H. Hamilton
Cape House
Shoreham Hotel
Cape May Point
Weather outlook for the tri-state area from Boreas bureau
The United States Weather Bureau in this city reports generally fair and stationary temperatures with northerly winds. Comparative temperatures and pitch reads indicate stable conditions across Western Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Ohio for the period in question.
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United States
Westeyans Elect Alfred Cookman Captain for New Year
Last year’s general athletic team elected Alfred Cookman captain for the current season. Freshman contests are planned late this month to reveal new material, with Captain Cookman and Track Athletic Association President Eldredge organizing. A football schedule lists October games against Harvard Trinity Amherst Princeton then New Haven and Providence with several championship events in New York and New Haven.
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Stugge
Middletown
Harvard
Cambridge
Trinity
Mortford
Amherst
Crescents
Brooklyn
Princeton
New York
New Haven
Brown
Providence
Worcester
University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia Branch Women’s Foreign Missionary Society Elects Officers
Erie reports the twenty-first annual Philadelphia Branch meeting where Mrs Chahoon resigned as Branch Secretary and new officers were elected. President Mrs M S Wheeler Phoenixville and Treasurer Mrs Bishop Foss Philadelphia head the slate, with Keen, Townsend and others named for secretarial and conference roles. Delegates to the National Branch and reserve delegates were chosen, with officers from the Pittsburg district noted.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Erie
Philadelphia
Women's Foreign Missionary Society
The
Methodist Episcopal Church
Chahoon
Wheeler
Phoenixville
J. 8 Keen
Bishop Foss
Townsend
W. V. Hazeltine
Warren
Pittsburg
Irish Champion Peter Maher Arrives in New York
Peter Maher the Irish champion heavyweight arrived last night aboard the City of Paris from Queenstown. A fit 23 year old at 5 feet 11 inches and about 178 pounds in condition he says he came to America to fight and is ready for engagements with backing for any amount. He plans to start fighting soon and will stay as needed.
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New York
Peter Maher
Queenstown
Paris
America
Tam
River News and Notes Dispatch Update
Louisville Oct river conditions report a stationary river at o'clock with 1 foot 1 inch on the fall 3 feet 7 inches in the canal and 4 feet 6 inches below. Departures listed include Maassen Bellaire Lee H Brooks Cincinnati Congo Evansville E G Ragon Carrollton and Big Kanawha.
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Louisville
Falla
Canal
Maassen
Bellaire
Lee H. Brooks
Cincinnati
Congo
Evansville
E.G. Ragon
Carrolltou
Big Kanawha
Annual sharpshooters meet for medal at McKresront range
The Fourteenth and Eighteenth regiments hold their annual medal shoot at the Fourteenth regiment range this Saturday. Six sharpshooters from Co. 1 including Captain Coon, current medal holder, will compete at 20 300 and 50 yards. The I Co shoot follows here a week later with three qualified marksmen.
Farmers Alliances Threaten Local Hunting Grounds
In Lawrence County about twenty district Farmers Alliances publish warnings to keep hunters off members grounds risking clashes with locals. The notice prompts fears of widespread trespass prevention affecting Pittsburg Youngstown and nearby areas as farmers unite across counties. In Meigs County Ohio a runaway marriage leads to William C Silby being jailed for perjury over the bride age Blanche Raymond 15 of Mason County. The bride expresses fidelity to her husband despite charges.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lawrence County
Pittsburg
Youngstown
Parkersburg
William C. Silby
Meigs County
Blanche Raymond
James Raymond
Mason County
100 Yard Race At Recreation Park Set For Tomorrow
Final deposit posted for a 100 yard race between Ed Beck of Sharpsburg and Ed Kinsey of Glenshaw. Tom Fullwood chosen to act as referee and pistol firer. Race to be run at Recreation Park tomorrow afternoon between 4 and 5 o clock.
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Ed. Beck
Sharpsburg
Ed. Kinsey
Glenshaw
Tom Fullwood
Refe
Heix
Recreation Park
Sullivan Draws Single Scull Challenge for $200
MoKgesront report says Dan Gould, noted baseballist and oarsman, will offer our Sullivan a single scull bout for $200 a side if he can secure a poet in Pittsburg. Gould plans to travel to the city tomorrow to arrange a date if possible.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
MoKgesront
Dan Gould
Sullivan
Pittsburg
River Stage and Weather Reports From Various Locations
Weather and river readings for towns including Allegheny, Evansville, Warren, and New Orleans show river levels rising or falling with cloud cover and cool temperatures. Shipping movements noted with arrivals at New Orleans and vessels headed downstream.
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Evansville
New Orleans
Hickman
St. Louis
Au City
Rain Fails to Aid River Traffic Trials and Repairs
The long awaited rain brought only a six inch rise in pools, not enough to resume lower river packets. A new propeller for T. R. Hostetter completed a trial run. Orry Gaterr McDowann of Louisville promotes riverfront friends. Work at town continues under Patrol Fred Tippell as teams scrape the bar. The Lady Jenks burned to the waterline at New Albany, valued at $1,000 and insured. John A. Woop returns from Wheeling after examining the Bellaire bridge area with measurements and photos.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
T. R. Hostetter
Orry Gaterr McDowann
Louisville
Irs
Frank Gil
Paiot
Fred Tippell
Jenks
New Albany
Jerda
Carrarx Jomn A. Woop
Wheeling
Bellaire
Portine Notes and Jeannettes Clash In Patchwork League
Ambiguous notes indicate Portine Notes not signed with Chicago club yet. The patched up Jeannettes face a Jean napeig League team in town today, with about a third of entries filled for an event at McKee's Rocket next Wednesday. Baldwin will hunt in West Virginia while local tall youths discuss a horse show and other community interests.
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Caphiii
St. Louis
Boston Reds
Chicage
Boston
New York
Boston Rede
Duffy
Farrell
the &T. Lowscreens
Chicaze
Anson
Portine
Ap Gumbent
Chicago
Jeannettes
Jeannapeig
Warratenhe
McKee
Wen K Merc
Sinenare
Ieee
Ang Baldwin
Virgula
Flux Epidemic Strikes Lincoln County in Drought
Huntington dispatch reports a violent flux outbreak in Lincoln County West Virginia amid drought conditions. Scores are ill and about six have died as physicians struggle to contain the spread. the cause remains unknown beyond its drought-associated appearance.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Huntington
W.va
Lincoln County
English Lutheran Church Synod to Assemble in Braddock
The English Lutheran Church Synod of the Pittsburgh district will meet in Braddock tomorrow. Rev. Mr. Poffinberger, vice president, will preach the synodical sermon at 7:30 p.m. An estimated 100 ministers and laymen are expected to attend with discussions on church topics. The synod will stay in session until next Wednesday.
Debtors’ Estates Report Fall in Johnstown
Johnstown on October 8 reports the assigned estate of T. R. Marshall, who failed a week ago, shows total liabilities only partially documented while creditors await final figures.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Johnstown
T. R. Marshall
Bausman May Withdraw From Presbyterian Church
Rochester dispatch reports keen interest in the Allegheny Presbytery called meeting on October 1 over Rev. Mr. Bausman. Rumors of his withdrawal and formation of a Congregational church circulate, but cooler heads doubt the move and favor retaining his pastoral role within the Presbyterian Church.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Rochester
Allegheny Presbytery
Bausman
Presbyterian Church
Congregational Church
Barnsman
Mr. Bausman
Pavel
Burro Nearly A Century Old In McKeesport
A Philadelphia burro named Madge arrived in McKeesport and is said to be nearly 100 years old. Previously owned by Tom Scott of the Pennsylvania Railroad, she was sold to W. H. Folwell of Philadelphia about 15 years ago after a 25 year Scott tenancy. The retired animal still performs kittenish tricks from Scott household days.
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McKeresport
Madge
Philadelphia
Tom Scott
Pennsylvania Railroad
W. H. Folwell
Scott
Mre
Mudge
Union officers elected at Lycoming County meeting
At Williamsport session of the Christian Endeavor Union officers were elected with Rev. George B. Stewart named president. Other officers include J. H. Breed J. O. Miller D. J. McNaullan W. J. Partridge Amos Johnson J. F. Hartman M. H. Moore E. A. Wood D. M. Stearns H. W. Behney A. M. Philpott Rev. Mr. Jeffreys Francis Haines C. A. Brown W. A. Ferguson and Thomas Hart Jr. Altoona chosen as next meeting site.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Williamsport
Oct. S
Christian Endeavor Union
George B. Stewart
Harrisburg
J. H. Breed
Philadelphia
J. O. Miller
York
D. J. McNaullan
Pittsburg
W. J. Partridge
Scranton
Amos Johnson
J. F. Hartman
Altoona
M. H. Moore
Roaring Springs
E. A. Wood
D. M. Stearns
H. W. Behney
Lancaster
A. M. Philpott
Mr. Jeffreys
Oil City
Francis Haines
Easton
C. A. Brown
W. A. Ferguson
Grace Church
Thomas Hart, Jr
Tragedy as 13-year-old Jennie Milligan Struck on Railroad
In Wheeling on October 8 a girl named Jennie Milligan aged 13 left her Burlington home and lay on the Cleveland and Pittsburg Railroad track. The last passenger train shortly after cut her to pieces. No motive given for the act.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Wheeling
Jennie Milligan
Burlington
Cleveland and Pittsburg
Miners' entombed bodies recovered at Glen Carbon
Four entombed miners at Glen Carbon near Pottsville were recovered Wednesday after four days and nights trapped underground. Separately, James Donehoo, last seen near Bargettstown fifty years ago, reappeared at his brother's home in Beaver, Alabama, with family. A freight train incident near Lewistown injured Conductor Powell, who lost a hand and watch was stolen, then left unconscious by robbers.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Tuo
Glen Carbon
Pottsville
James Donehoo
Donehoo
Beaver
Bargettstown
Alabama
Tnauis
Lewint
Powell
Tmmps
Major fires hit Detroit packing house and New York mansion
In Detroit Parker & Co.'s packing house suffered $100,000 in damage with one man killed and about a dozen others burned or injured. In New York a four story brown stone mansion owned by Mrs. Haywood Cutting and occupied by Mrs. August Belmont was gutted, with the Belmont family and servants barely escaping. loss estimated at $200,000.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Detroit
Parker & Co
New York
Haywood
August Belmont
Loas
Brotherhood Unites Rail Conductors Under One Name
At a conference of the Brotherhood of Railroad Conductors and the Order of Railway Conductors representatives agreed to consolidate under the latter name and to pursue a general federation of all train service organizations.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Depark Raptros
Brotherhood of Railroad Conductors
The
Order of Railway Conductors
Pennsylvania Railroad Excursion to Rhododendron Park 1891
On October 10 1891 the Pennsylvania Railroad announces a select excursion to Rhododendron Park Lloydsville Pa with autumn foliage views. Excursion tickets sold from listed points and a special train schedule includes departure from Pittsburgh and stops at Shadyside Wilkinsburg Braddock Turtle Creek Wilmerding Irwin Jeannette Greensburg Latrobe Blairsville Johnstown Cresson Altoona and Lloydsville with return via Altoona and stopovers allowed until November 11. Tickets good for return and stop off at Altoona with Mel's neckwear promotion by James H. Aqu Co.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pennsylvania Railroad Company
Lloydsville
Pittsburore
Shadyside
Bob
Liberty
Wilkingburz
Braddock
Turtle Creek
Wilmerding
Irwin
Jeannette
Greensburg
Latrobe
Blairsville Inc
Johnstown
Cresson
Sestrate
Ates
Altoona
Bellwood
Lloydaville
Ewe
Lloydsville Sp. M
Police nab fake jewelers at Stern's pawns shop
Detective Fitzgerald arrested two men at Stern's pawnshop trying to dispose of jewelry and revolvers. They identified as William Ross and Jo Black burn with homes listed as Wheeling Steubenville and Columbus. A Columbus Hotel card was torn up. they were photographed, and Steubenville police later said they were not there. They await transfer by an officer from Steubenville.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Fitzgerald
Stern
Central Station
William Ross
Jo Blackburn
Wheeling
Steubenville
Columbus
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GREAT
General Sporting News of
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E. E. Grm
Princetonians
Chnago
Uhlease Club
James Hart
WAKT
Neleona
Campau
Aintion
Illints
Williams
Pole Nelson
Alrready
Imini
Desare
Dutt
Maine
Morris Park
Pittsburger
Th. Bausman
Presbyterianism
Aldfeman Manpex
August Keyser
Ernest Scakapen
North Avenue
Allegheny
Cassius Cowatoce
Mansfield
Allegheny Central Station
Alderman Braun
Attias H. Swaantlex
Kantman Bros
Gripp
Patatesa Bane
Alderman McKenna
John H. Frederick
William Snr
Wiens
James White
Arron
Summit County
Reeerere
Richard Dias Eeeences
Mhvarpeceras Vertesegsenevwsegl
Glens Srood Prin Napal OB
Ceeenecens
Prinre Hotrr
Stetecensed
Jamestown
Eneenne Secon Esrenes
Vania, West Virginia and
Ohio
Erly
Sooshsosiogs
Women In Foreign Missions
River News and Notes
Gould
Moncaxt
Dhownstille
English Lutheran Synod
the Christian Endeavor Union
Carrollton
John Albaugh
Frederick Nayse
Mathias Bamers
Pennsylvania
Mel
James H. Aq
Ani
Liberty ST
Star Cormer
Oobi
Mirlein
Duquesne
Max Klein
Federal St., All.egheny
Kirk Hanon Bel
JAS. S. Kirk & CO
Comonne
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