Llewellyn Tomb discovery sparks Welsh national monument bid
Edward Nicholson at Bodleian deciphers inscription on Llewellyn burial site. The last prince is placed with Aberemwy Abbey and Cum Hir links, reviving push for a Welsh memorial funded by global subscriptions. Owen of Wales tale contrasts with later noble lineages and Franco-British ties.
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Copsright
Brentwood Company
Edward W. B. Nicholson
Bodleian Library
Oxford
Llewellyn
Prince of Wales
Aberemwy
Cum Hir
Bute
David
Wales
Llewellrn
Owen
Carnarvonshire
Owen-ap-Thomas-ap-Roderick
France
Poictiers
Edward the Black Frince
Yenain de Callies
Owen of Wales
Yuan
Froissart
Montagne-sur-Gironde
John Lambe
Owen of
Bordeaux
St. Legere
Gironde
England
Great Ovation to Mme Nordica at Farewell London Concert
Mme Lillian Nordica sang at Queen's Hall in London to a packed crowd. An American contingent including the Duchess of Marlborough Duchess of Manchester Countess Strafford Lady Lister Kaye Lady Paget Lady Craven and J Pierpont Morgan attended. The audience rose for her entrance and gave her a final ovation despite King Edward and the Prince of Wales missing the event.
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London
Mme
Lillian Nordica
Queen's Hall
Duchess of Marlborough
Duchess of Manchester
Countess Strafford
Lister-Kaye
Lady Paget
Lady Craven
J. Pierpont Morgan
Edward
Prince of Wales
Champlain Tercentenary Programme Announced at Plattsburg
The Champlain tercentenary celebration schedule for July 5 to 7 includes Governor Hughes, Seth Low, and Chief Justice Barnes as July 5 speakers at Crown Point. July 6 features Fort Ticonderoga events with Taft, Root, Cannon, Bryce, Jusserand, and others. Mabie and Mackaye to speak and read poems. The Plattsburg end includes a reception for Taft, an Indian pageant, a luncheon, military parade, and fireworks.
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Plattsburg
N. Y
Champlain
Bryce and
Jusserand
Hughes
New York
Prouty
Vermont
Hamilton Wright Mabie
Percy Mackaye
Taft
Catholic Summer School of America
Plattsboro Barracks
Senator Root
Cardinal Gibbons
Lemieux
Canada
Lomer Goran
Quebec
Clouds Spoil Eclipse Viewing in New York
Cloudy skies ruined the solar eclipse last night with viewing between 7 and 8 36. In clear conditions totality would have occurred at 7 45 over New York witnesses but most of the sun remained visible. Commander Peary and crew on an Arctic expedition might have seen totality if weather cleared. Astronomers lamented the missed comet spectacle promised during the eclipse.
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New York
Robert E. Peary
Arctic
North Pole
Prominent Arrivals at the Hotels Astor and Waldorf
A list of notable guests visiting New York hotels includes Captain H. F. Glover of the U S N at the Astor and Bishop and Mrs. W. D. Walker of Buffalo at Belmond, with other travelers such as George Y Leigh of Calcutta and J C Lee of Richmond. The memo notes guests at the Holland and Seville, with names like L L Bennett, C W Foster, R E Wight, H Maetzel, and J Stanley Watson among attendees at various venues.
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ASTOR
H. F. Glover
Belmont
Bishop
W. D. Walker
Buffalo
George Y Leigh
Calcutta
Breslin
F. M. Gerlart
Panama
J.C. Lee
Richmond
Hoffman
W. J. Murphy
Arnold Roesch
Naples
Italy
Holland
W- G. Stone
Baltimore
C. Neis Dist
Cincinnati
E. F. Nicholls
London
Hermitage
L. L. Bennett
H. Johnson
N. Murray Hill
F. B. Hawkins
A. ST. Denis
C. W. Foster
Guatemala
L. E. Brownson
Havana
Seville
R. E. Wight
A. W. Botsford
Guanajuato
Mexico
Victoria
H. Maetzel
Board of Public Service
Columbus
Ohio
Waldorfastoria
J Stanley Watson
SheMeld, Enrizrd
Herbert Dupuy
Pittsburg
Wolcott
Priest
St Louis
Drama partnership ends as Sothern and Marlowe farewells
The engagement of Mr Sothern and Miss Marlowe at the Academy of Music began May 31 and ends June 19. They staged Romeo and Juliet Hamlet The Merchant of Venice Twelfth Night and The Taming of the Shrew to strong public interest. Malvolio played by Sothern and Viola by Marlowe drew praise though Sir Toby Belch performance drew critique. An extra Romeo and Juliet show is scheduled this afternoon. After the season Marlowe returns to the Adirondacks while Sothern sails for England.
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Mr. Sothern
Malvello
Miss Marlowe
Viola
Toby Belch
Rowland Buckstone
Academy
Wyndham's Farewell at Empire Theatre Ends Saturday
The Mollusc stars Charles Wyndham and Mary Moore close their engagement at the Empire Theatre on Saturday night. Audiences praised their delicate art and spontaneity, and those who miss the performance will miss a rare privilege before the act returns to England.
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Empire Theatre
Charles Wyndham
Mary Moore
England
The Blue Mouse to Close at Maxine Elliott's Theatre
The offensive farce The Blue Mouse will be withdrawn from Maxine Elliott's Theatre on Saturday night. Going Some from the Belasco Theatre opened April 12 and will close June 19 then move to Maxine Elliott's on June 21. Other plays remaining include The Third Degree at the Hudson and The Man from Home at the Astor.
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the Blue Mouse
Maxine Elliott
Belasco Theatre
Maxines Elliott
Hudson
Gaiety
Astor
Daly's
Mexico
Garrick
Mississippi
Bijou
Frohman Back With New Plays From Adriatic Voyage
Daniel Frohman theatrical manager returns from Europe aboard the Adriatic with plans for next season. He spent time at Kissingen Spa, Bavaria, and will not announce new plays until Charles Frohman returns. Arthur Hammerstein, aboard, says Oscar Hammerstein will break ground for a Brooklyn opera house on his return in about three weeks. Louise Lasalle, a Spanish dancer, will headline a Henry W. Savage musical comedy next season.
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Daniel Frohman
William H Crane
William Gillette
Frohman
Kissingen Spa
Bavaria
Charles Frohman
Arthur Hammerstein
Cherbourg
Oscar Hammerstein
Brooklyn
New York
Louise Lasalle
Henry W. Savage
Contest for Pittsburg Theatre Enjoins Bijou Sale
Felix Isman seeks to block the Bijou Theatre sale to Klaw and Erlanger in Pittsburg after they agreed to pay 80 percent of a price. He represents the Morris circuit and seeks an injunction, also acting for heirs of P. J. McNulty and for a widow mortgage holder. The Isman group reportedly offered about 1.4 million before the deal. Shubert interests are said to be considering rival bids and possible legal action.
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the Tribune
Pittsburg
Klaw & Erlanger
New York
Laura Riggar Bennett
Isman
Shubert
Circus Postponed By Rain To Tonight In West Side
Rain last night forced the fourth annual amateur circus of the West Side YMCA to move from the vacant lot on Sith Street and Eighth Avenue to tonight. Rain checks will be honored for the event at the association building.
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West Side Young Men's Christian Association
Sith Street
Eighth Avenue
New York Law School Graduates 111 New Lawyers at Carnegie Hall
Justice John Proctor Clarke of the Appellate Division delivered the address to the New York Law School graduating class at Carnegie Hall. One hundred eleven earned Bachelors of Law while sixteen already practicing lawyers received Master of Laws. Dean George Chase presided.
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John Proctor Clarke
Appellate Division
Supreme Court
New York Law School
Carnegie Hall
George Chase
Law School
Theatres Gain Stars and New Arrangements in New York
Mile. Dazie to perform at Fifth Avenue Theatre starting July 5 under E F Albee after engagement with Keith Proctor houses in Boston. Klaw & Erlanger secure exclusive booking of Greenwall Theatrical Circuit. Shuberts sign Burrell Barbaretto for The King of Caledonia. Shuberts’ next season musical. Teachers attend Havana at Casino Theatre. Is Marriage a Failure? opens Belasco season. Klaw & Erlanger stage June 27 benefit for J W Comley widow.
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James T. Powers
Havana
Mr. de Angelis
Herald Square
Blanche King
Broadway
Lyric
Rector’s
Weber's
New Amsterdam
New York
Victoria
Mile. Dazie
Mr. Ziegfeld
E. F. Albee
Keith & Proctor
Boston
Fifth Avenue Theatre
Klaw & Erlanger
Albert Weis
American Theatrical Exchange
Greenwall
Texas
Oklahoma
Arkansas
The
Shuberts
Burrell Barbaretto
Caledonia
Them
Belasco Theatre
Leo Dietrichstein
New York Theatre
J. W. Comiey
Comley-Parton Opera Company
Dr. Rainsford Returns From Africa With Caution
The Rev. Dr. W. S. Rainsford arrived on the Adriatic greatly improved in health but said he cannot resume rector duties. He plans to go to California where his son is ill with typhoid fever while his wife remains in Paris. He recounts thirteen months of jungle hunting in Africa with dangers from lions and fever, noting Roosevelt’s hunters as capable companions.
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W. S. Rainsford
St. George's Church
Mombasa
Colonel Roosevelt
Africa
Mr. Roosevelt
Leslie Taunton
R. C. Cunninghame
Dinner for C E Cook by The Friars at Hotel Astor
The Friars honored Charles Emerson Cook founder and second head with a reunion dinner at the Hotel Astor after John W. Rumsey’s abbacy vote. About two hundred guests, including Augustus Thomas and De Wolf Hopper, praised the guest of honor and presented a loving cup with an inscription.
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John W. Rumsey
Hotel Astor
Charles Emerson Cook
Mr. Cook
Charlie
Augustus Thomas
de Wolf Hopper
J. Fred Zimmerman, Jr
Robert M. Davis
Willard PD. Coxey
Channing Pollock
J. M. Fitzgerald
Victor Herbert
Taft Summer Home Ready at Woodberry Point
Beverly Massachusetts June 17 Arrangements at the Presidents summer home Woodberry Point are complete for Mrs Taft to arrive next Tuesday President Taft not expected until July The family will remain there longer perhaps until October Captain Archibald W Butt military aid to the President will report from Washington tomorrow to say the house is ready Two Secret Service men will arrive early Tuesday to guard the President s family assisted by local police Four more Secret Service men are expected to arrive with the President.
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Comte de Provence
Louis XVII
Antoine d’Avaray
House of Besiade
Henry IV
Louis XVIII
Luxembourg
France
Louis
Louis XVI
d’Avaray
D'Avaray
Antoine d'Avaray
Duke d'Avaray
Duc de la Chatre
Duc de Damas
Duc de Crillon
Duc de Narbonne
Duc de Caylus
Great Talleyrand
Duc de Talleyrand
Gom
Deagan
Anna Gould
Henri de Chastellux
Duc de Rauzan
Duke of Duras
Decazes
Isabel Singer
de Montesquieu Fezensac
Fezensac
Raymond de Montesquieu Fezzensac
Jockey Club
Edward
d'Ivry
Blacas
Rome
Naples
Pierre de Blacas
Ferdinand of Austria
Charles X
de Sabran
de Cars
de Caraman
Mme. Standish
Paris
Queen Alexandra
Czarina
Caraman
Riquet
Prince de Chimay
Riquet Famly
de Languedoc
Mediterranean
Berges
St. Winock
Caderousse
Riviere
Beverly
Mass
Woodberry Point
Taft
Archibald W. Butt
Washington Tomorow
Secret Service
Miss Ida Wynne Marries British Officer in London
Ida M Wynne second daughter of Robert J Wynne outgoing American Consul General in London wed Hugh Ronald French first lieutenant in the 7th Dragoon Guards at Brompton Oratory London. Foreign consuls and Mrs Whitelaw Reid attended though Mr Reid ill. Ceremony by Very Rev H W Cater followed by Savoy Hotel reception.
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London
Ida M. Wynne
Robert J. Wynne
Brompton Oratory
Hugh Ronald French
7Th Dragoon Guards
H. W. Cater
Savoy Hotel
Dogs Evacuate to Summer Shelter Amid Health Crackdown
Fifty five dogs of mixed breeds departed Harrington Park New Jersey under escort from the Bide-a-Wee Home for Dogs officials after Board of Health ordered a rapid evacuation. Superintendent Henry Buel refused to remove them, then Mrs. Kibble and Mrs. Grant obtained temporary approval to house the canines at the health department facility for summer reception before onward sheltering in the country.
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Harrinton Park
N. J
Lexington Avenue
Board of Health
Henry Buel
Harry Ulysses Kibble
Board of Health Forces
Ulysses Grant
Kibble
Walter Bensel
Department of Health
Jerome Named as District Attorney Candidate Supporter Urges GOP Endorsement
A Republican Rent Payer from New York submits a letter to the Tribune endorsing Jerome for District Attorney. The writer asserts Jerome’s long public life and tenure in the DA office, argues against Tammany influence, and urges GOP backing despite party boundaries. The piece notes Jerome’s informal renomination at a neighborhood dinner and predicts political maneuvering by figures like Sheriff Foley and Charlie Murphy.
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Jerome
the Tribune
Rabbi Houseman
Big Tom” Foley
Charlie” Murphy
Tribune
New York
Praise for City Traffic, Streets and New Bridge Opening
A brief letter from New York dated June 17 expresses thanks to city authorities for the fine traffic regulations clean streets and the opening of the new bridge without any serious accidents. The writer urges honoring those responsible for the safe urban milestone.
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the Tribune
New York City
New York
Today’s Free Admission and Society Gatherings
Free admission to the American Museum of Natural History and the Zoological Garden. Theta Nu Epsilon Society convention at Hotel Astor at 2 30 p m. Associated Clubs of Domestic Science meeting at Hotel Astor at 3 p m. Informal reception for Professor Ernest F Nichols under the auspices of Dartmouth College Alumni at Hotel Astor at 8 30 p m. Prize speaking contest of the College of the City of New York airing contest at 8 20 p m.
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American Museum of Natural History
Zoological Garden
Theta Nu Epsilon Society
Hotel Astor
Associated Clubs of Domestic Science
Ernest F. Nichols
Dartmouth College
College of the Cit of New
Cornell Graduates, 761, Send Forth One of Largest Classes
One of the largest Cornell graduations met at Ithaca and New York with 707 degrees in Ithaca plus 54 at the Medical School. Eighty two advanced degrees were awarded. Mechanical engineers led, arts and sciences strong, civil engineers, law, agricultural, veterinary, and architecture also conferred. The Armory overflowed with graduates, trustees, faculty, and guests as Dr White and Dean Crane presided. Captain E L Phillips was chief marshal.
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Ithaca
N. Y
Cornell
Cornell Medical School
New York
Andrew D. White
Dean Crane
E. L. Phillips
Frunce Against Rushing System at Brown University
Providence reports no action toward making Brown University non sectarian at the annual corporation meeting. A charter revision committee presented both sides with no recommendations and the work was continued. President Faunce urged stopping pledges to fraternities before arrival and called on alumni to assist. Governor Hughes attended.
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Providence
Brown University
William H. P. Faunce
Hughes
New York
Dr Matthews Addresses Miami Centennial
Oxford Ohio June 17 Professor Brander Matthews of Columbia University spoke at Miami University centennial ceremonies praising settlement workers who sacrifice for others. He said public view of life manipulators is growing hostile. George H Trull declined a Doctor of Divinity degree, while Lyman Abbott and Brander Matthews received Doctor of Literature degrees.
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Oxford
Ohio
Brander Matthews
Columbia University
Miami University
George H. Trull
Philadelphia
The
Sunday School Association
Lyman Abbott
New York
Pratt Institute Commencement Held in Emmanuel Church
Pratt Institute Brooklyn held its commencement at Emmanuel Baptist Church Lafayette avenue and St James Place with 448 graduates and standing room only. Organist G Walling Stebbins played. Dr Nehemiah Hornton and Dr William Harvey Allen gave addresses. diplomas were presented by Charles M Pratt. Graduates by department totaled 135 domestic arts 39 applied arts 60 domestic science 150 science and technology 64 other departments.
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Pratt Institute
Brooklyn
Emmanuel Baptist Church
Lafayette Avenue
St. James Place
G. Walling Stebbins
Nehemiah Hornton
William Harvey Allen
Charles M. Pratt
Stone Memorial Cornerstone Laid at Western Reserve
On the Adelbert campus the cornerstone of the Amasa Stone Memorial Chapel was laid. Mrs. John Hay and Mrs. Samuel Mather, daughters of Amasa Stone, gave the cornerstone. A reception followed for President H P Judson of the University of Chicago, who spoke at commencement.
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Cleveland
John Hay
Samuel Mather
Adelbert
Western Reserve University
H. P. Judson
University of Chicago
Muhlenberg College Awards Honorary Degree At Commencement
Allentown Penn June 17 At the forty second annual commencement of Muhlenberg College here today the honorary degree of L H D was conferred upon Gustav Straubenmueller associate superintendent of public schools of New York City. Diplomas were presented to twenty seven graduates.
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Allentown
Penn
Muhlenberg College
Gustav Straubenmueller
Public Schools
New York City
Relative of Col Mosby Dies in New York Home
Miss Sarsh PD Mosby, a distant relative of Colonel John S Mosby famed for Mosby’s Guerrillas, was found dead in her bathroom yesterday from apoplexy at the residence of Miss Euphemia Sandys on West 8th Street. She was forty four, had come to New York three years ago, and her body will be sent to Memphis.
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Provence
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France
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England
Blanche
Germany
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Naples
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Gabran
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Ponteves
Sabrans
de Sabran Ponteves
Legion of Honor
Foulques de Sabran
Maximilian
Mexico
Champigny
Captain Johnson Vivian Dies in Houghton at Eighty
Captain Johnson Vivian a millionaire mining man died Wednesday night at his home in Houghton Michigan He was eighty years old.
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Captain Johnson Vivian
Houghton, Mich
Will of Henry C Parks Declared Valid by Judge Belden
The Milwaukee will case ends with Judge Belden upholding Henry C Parks last will. Lorene Parks of New York contested, aided by uncle E D Northrop, alleging undue influence by Mrs Parks. The will leaves $1.40 to the wife and $10 to the objector.
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Milwaukee
Henry C. Parks
Belden
Lorene Parks
New York
E. D. Northrop
Weather Forecast From Washington June 17 1909
The Western storm moved eastwardly and caused widespread rain across the Mississippi Valley and regions eastward. Fair in lake and Northwestern states with cooler temperatures expected in the Ohio Valley and lake region. Friday and Saturday show fair conditions in most areas with showers in New England and the southern Atlantic and Gulf states. Local records compare temperatures with last year, noting highest 74 degrees and lowest 40 in sites. Local forecast calls for moderate temperatures, fair skies, and north winds.
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New York
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
Weather Bureau
Death notices from The Tribune broadcast in Tri-Weekly Tribune
Death notices list numerous individuals with June dates and ages, funeral church locations at Frank Campbell Building, and private funeral details. Entries mention Acosta, Carson, Cook, Fox, Gatechell, Gillette, Mansbach, Morrison, Mott, Noyes, Olney, Raekesrandt, Ross, Turner, Webber, and undertakers Frank E Campbell with related addresses and service times across New York and Brooklyn in June 1909.
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Feodor Mansbach
West St
Campbell Building
Morrison
Louise
Nettie H
Robert Morrison
Ee College Point
Puneral
Strong Place
Brooklyn
Saturnay
Flushing
Christ Church
Tarrytown
Grand Central Station
Lexington Ave. Terminal
Acosta
Pedro
Mott
Theodora C Carson
David T. Ney
Jane M. Cook
Nellie Key
Lewis A. Fox
Willian F. Gatchell
Ross
Wiliam H. F
Gillette
E. Franklin
Turner
Feodor Webder
John. Morrison
Tribune Ads Offer Quick Access to Applicant Files
The Uptown Tribune office invites employers to inspect a file of applications for various positions at 1364 Broadway between 36th and 27th Streets. Also lists subscription rates, offices, and international newspaper distribution points across the United States, Europe, and beyond.
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