Amanda Boy Stabbed After Street Ball Dispute
A 15 year old youth stabbed Arnold Sponsel 15 during a dispute over a game of ball on an Amanda street Friday evening. Sponsel was taken to Middletown Hospital with a stab wound to the right side and possible kidney injury. Sheriff Richard Schultheiss reported that three witnesses, including Sponsel and the assailant, gave similar accounts of the scuffle. The suspect was arrested and held without charge pending Sponsel’s recovery. Juvenile Officer Emmett S. Sherron ordered court action.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Amanda
Arnold Sponsel
Iniddletown Hospital
Richard Schultheiss
Middletown
Sponsel
Burton
Amanda School
Ralph King
Sai
King
Emmett S. Sherron
County reports 16th polio victim this week
Butler County's 16th polio case of the week was reported by Charles J. Reuthe, chairman of the county infantile paralysis foundation. Funeral services were held for 23 month old Roberta Jean Abner of Hamilton, the county's second polio fatality, who died at Mercy Hospital. she is survived by her parents, a sister, and grandparents. Private services were at Brown-Dawson Funeral Home with Rev. W. E. McCoy officiating. interment in Greenwood Cemetery.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Butler County
Charles J. Reuthe
County Infantile Paralysis Foundation
Paulette Allen
Maple Ave
Hamilton
Roberta Jean Abner
Louis Abner
Mercy Hospital
Priscilla Faye
William Abner
Jess Saylor
Winchester
Brown-Dawnson
Pershing Ave
W. E. McCoy
County KP Drill Team Captures Sixth in National Contest
The Butler County Drill Team of the Knights of Pythias earned sixth place in a national competition held in San Diego California. Max Wise spoke at the Lafayette Lodge meeting and reported on the August fifteenth convention. Committees for the coming year were announced by Noah Lambert with members Virgil Webster Woodrow Wilkinson Earl Coddington Norman Dole French Stokley Earl James William Conklin Harry Carter Elza Abraham Wilkinson Webster and Conklin. Special services for William Buffington who died Thursday were announced to be held Sunday at 7 30 p m at the Riggs Funeral Home.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Butler County
Knights of Pythias
San Diego
Calif
Max Wise
Lafayette Lodge
Wise
Noah Lambert
Virgil Webster
Woodrow Wilkinson
Earl Coddington
Norman Dole
French Stokley
Earl James
William Conklin
Harry Carter
Elza Abraham
Wilkinson
Conklin
Webster
Riggs Funeral
William Buffington
Lawyer Injured In Ladder Fall At Home
Walter R. Bender of 503 The Alameda was treated at Middletown Hospital early last night after falling 25 feet from a ladder while cutting vines. X rays showed two bones broken in his foot.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Walter R. Bender
The
Alameda
Middletown Hospital
Cub Scouts Plan Trip to Reds Pirates Game
Cub Scouts from Mound Builders Area will travel to Cincinnati to watch the Reds play the Pirates on August 16. They will wear uniforms and carry cub credentials. Pack Six will be led by Wallace Frayer. Meet noon at First Methodist Church on Broad Street and board a chartered bus. A one dollar fee applies per cub or parent.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Mound Builders
Cincinnati
Reds
Pittsburgh Pirates
Harry E. Knell
Knell
Wallace Frayer
First Methodist Church
Broad St
Harry Knell
Municipal Court Fines Man in Health Board Warrant Case
Bud Deem, 28, of 607 Auburn St., was fined $50 in Municipal Court by Judge Alton H. Combs. The fine was suspended if he vacates a troubled home within 10 days as a health board warrant prompted his arrest.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Bud Deem
Auburn St
Alton H. Combs
Combs
Deem
Board of Health
Two Arrested In Gambling Raid Friday
Local police raided a location at 1 South Main Street at 4 45 p m Friday arresting two men. Willis Meo Glaughlin 36 of 2221 Wilbraham Drive faces keeping a room for gambling while Daily Parker 44 of 405 McKinley Street a former officer is charged with possessing race horse slips. Both were released on 300 dollar bonds to appear in Municipal Court.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
South Main St
Middletown
Joseph Newkirk
Herbert Frazier
Willis Meo. Glaughlin
Wilbraham Dr
Parker
Serviceman Hudson in Camp Schimmelpfennig Ja pan
Pvt. John D. Hudson, son of Mr. and Mrs. Cecil Hudson of Middletown, serves with the 707th Ordnance Maintenance Company, Seventh Infantry Division, at Camp Schimmelpfennig in Seridai, Japan. The Hourglass Division occupies part of Northern Honshu and the entire island of Hokkaido.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
707Th Ordnance Maintenance Company
Seventh Infantry Division
Camp Schimmelpfennig
Seridai
Japan
Pvt
John, D. Hudson
Cecil Hudgon
Middletown
Honshu Island
Hokkaido
Middletown Pvt Frisch in training with First Cavalry in Japan
Pvt August E Frisch son of Mr and Mrs Carl Frisch Middletown Route 2 serves in Company H Sth Cavalry Regiment First Cavalry Division Infantry He is undergoing extensive field training at Camp McNair near Mt Fujiyama in Japan during World War II era.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Eighth Army
Japan
August E. Frisch
Carl Frisch
Middletown
Sth Cavalry Regiment
First Cavalry Division
Frisch
Amp McNair
Camp McNair
Mt. Fujiyama
William E. Robinson Transferred to Norfolk Navy Base
Word arrives that William E. Bill Robinson son of William Robinson Ninth Ave has been transferred from U S 8 Vermillion to U S S Harold E F Ellison now stationed in Norfolk Virginia.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
William E
Bill) Robinson
William Robinson
Ninth Ave
U. S
Jack Smith On Leave From Porto Rico Voyage
Jack Smith, son of Mr. and Mrs. Bernard Smith, is home on leave after returning from Porto Rico aboard the U S S Adams. He will sail again for Porto Rico once he returns to the ship.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Jack Smith
Bernard Smith
Porto Rico
Police Reports: Stolen Bikes and Cars Recovered?
Paul Howard reported a red and cream Columbia bicycle stolen from in front of the Strand Theater on Yankee Road after noon Friday. Jacquelyn Bolden reported a black 1937 Ford stolen from 1208 Reynolds Street around 12 40 a m, license 306, car belonging to her mother.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Paul Howard
Yankee Rd
Strand Theater
Jacquelyn Bolden
Grand Ave
Miss Bolden
Reynolds St
Peeping Tom Reported at 1000 Jackson Street
John Minor reported a peeping Tom to police around 10 p.m. Friday. Officers checked the area but did not locate anyone.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
John Minor
Jackson St
Man Arrested on DUI Warrant in South Excello
James Manning 23 of South Excello was arrested just after midnight Friday at Central Ave and Clinton St on a warrant charging driving under the influence of alcohol.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
James Manning
South Excello
Central Ave
Clinton St
Teens Rounded Up At Par Amount Theater Break-In Attempt
Police responded to the Par Amount Theater where four teenage boys aged 15 to 19 were gathered on the north fire escape attempting to break into the building. Manager Dwight Kirk declined to press charges in court.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Paramount Theater
Dwight Kirk
Bicycle theft reported on Manchester Ave in city
Harold Sutter of 628 Catalpa Dr. reported a Western Flyer bicycle, license 10 975, stolen from in front of 1617 Manchester Ave Friday night. The thief remains at large and police are investigating the incident.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Harold Sutter
Catalpa Dr
Western Flyer
Manchester Ave
Bicycle theft reported near Strand Theater
At 5 35 p m L V Kindred of 1326 Grove reported a black and red bicycle license 12718 stolen from in front of the Strand Theater. Police recovered the bike at 1955 Central Ave with a missing front wheel.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
L. V. Kindred
Grove
Lt. Kindred
Strand Theater
Central Ave
Caskey brothers arrested on disorderly conduct warrant
Officers arrested Clyde Caskey and Glenn Caskey at 1608 Michigan on a warrant signed by Catherine Fleming of 422 Park St. They were charged with disorderly conduct. Clyde Caskey was released on a $50 bond.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Clyde Caskey
Michigan St
Glenn Caskey
Garfield St
Michigan
Catherine Fleming
Park St
Clyde Casket
Road Rebuilding Near Pater Lake Progress Report
Walter Follmer, contractor, began resurfacing a 1100-foot section of Reily-Millville Road near Pater Lake. The fill to raise the roadway level, part of the lake project, has been completed.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Reily - Millville
Pater Lake
Walter Follmer
Cold Front Cools Heat Across Region
A cool air mass from Hudson Bay ends a week of heat for Middleton area residents. The front extends to the Ohio River Valley and central plains, with highs limited to the 80s. Forecast calls for fair nights and Sunday partly cloudy, pleasant conditions. Morning thermometers show low 70s by dawn and mid to upper 70s by late morning.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hudson Bay
Ohio River Valley
Great Plains
Whid
House and Senate conferees approve $7.62 billion money bill
Congress cleanup of an appropriations log jam advances as conferees approve a $7,617,739,361 spending bill funding independent agencies. The measure, to be sent to House and Senate for final approval, totals $514,232,808 more than the House version and $45,698,962 less than the Senate version, with the Budget Bureau seeking $433,604,469 more than the final figure. It funds the Atomic Energy Commission Maritime Commission Veterans Administration and Civil Service Commission among others.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Washington
Congress
House
Senate
Conference Committee
Budget Bureau
Atomic Energy Commission
Maritime Commission
Veterans Administration and Civil Service Commission
County Receives Subdivision Distribution From Intangible Tax
Butler County Auditor R. H. Smith said local governments in the county will share 265,341.03 from intangible tax on deposits, effective since 1948. State Treasurer Don H. Ebright reported Ohiowide returns totaling 15,237,654.28 with Capenore County and Hamilton Canes receiving the largest shares.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
R. H. Smith
Butler County
Don H. Ebright
Smith
Ohio
Capenore County
Cleveland
Hamilton Canes
Cincinnati
Three County Education Board Incumbents Face No Opposition
The Butler County Education Board will see no challenger for incumbents Robert Mitzel J Gilbert Welsh and Ray C Wilson as terms expire this year All seeking reelection no other candidates appeared Also C D Ehresman and J F Clawson have terms extended Two Hamilton city council seats show earlier petition activity with around 30 petitions but no confirmed candidates announced
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Three County Education Board
Butler County
C. D. Ehresman
Trenton
J. F. Clawson
Hamilton
Board of Elections
Hamilton City
Council
Mose Kahn
Four Accidents Damage Cars and Property Friday
Police reported four traffic accidents in the city Friday and early this morning causing minor injuries to two people and substantial property damage. Damages included about $850 to cars owned by Chester Laycock and Robert Farmer, plus a fence on Farmer's property, plus injuries and further damage from a park‑lot collision near Bellemonte Street and from a Calumet Avenue intersection crash.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Chester Pay Laycock
West Middletown
Robert C. Farmer
Vail St
Laycock
Farmer
Sidney Johnson
Fleming Rd
Glen Forman
Jacksonburg
Bellemonte St
Borden
Forman
Erven Heims
Dayton
Ralph Johnson
Franklin, Dairy Employe
Calumet Ave
Askew St
Robert E. Price
First Ave
Askew
van Dominick
Eighteenth Ave
Calumet
Teddy Richardson
Zella Richardson
Roosevelt Dr
William Hollon
Columbia Ave
Woodlawn
Senators Push Probe After Sabath Says Lobbyists Spent Heavy
The Senate ordered a probe after Representative Sabath of Illinois claimed lobbyists spent or had spent more than two million dollars on congressmen during the first quarter of this year.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Sabath
D-Ill
Weekend Film Listings at Paramount and Strand Theaters
At Paramount Saturday shows Any Number Can Play starring Clark Gable and Alexis Smith with showtimes 1 15, 3 15, 5 20, 7 30, 9 40 p m Sunday Streets of Laredo with William Holden and Mona Freeman at 1 35, 3 35, 5 35 and 9 35 p m Strand Saturday The Counterfeiter s starring John Lupton and Doris Merrick at 1 10, 4 20, 7 30 and 10 20 p m Also Rangers Ride with Jimmy Wakely and Cannonball Taylor at 3 20, 6 30 and 9 20 p m Sunday Ma and Pa Kettle with Marjorie Main and Percy Kilbride at 1 15, 4 05, 7 10 and 10 15 p m Also Rogue s Regiment with Dick Powell and Maria Toren at 2 35, 5 40 and 8 45 a m
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Paramount
Clark Gable
Alexis Smith
Streets of
Laredo
William Holden
Mona Freeman
John Lupton
Doris Merrick
Rangers
Jimmy Wakely
Cannonball Taylor
Pa Kettle
Marjorie Main
Percy Kilbride
Rogue's Regiment
Dick Powell
Maria Toren
Vital Statistics for Henry R. Stillwell and Effie Hall
Obituary notices report Henry R. Stillwell aged 76 of 331 North Broad Street and Effie Hall aged 67 of Mt Heal Thy, Ohio. Both entries list ages and residence in a local vital statistics brief.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Henry R. Stillwell
North Broad St
Births at Hospital
Mr and Mrs John Thien Franklin welcome a boy Friday. Mr and Mrs John Moore 312 Gideon Rd welcome a girl Friday. Mr and Mrs John Squier Carlisle welcome a girl Friday. Mr and Mrs Robert Dell 3406 Grand Ave welcome a boy Saturday. Mr and Mrs Wilbur Kroger 616 Waite St welcome a girl Saturday.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hospital
John Thien
Franklin
John Moore
Gideon Rd
John Squier
Carlisle
Robert Dell
Grand Ave
Wilbur Kroger
Waite St
Couples Married or Engaged in Local Area Records
The list records pairs with ages and occupations, including James Barnes and Frances Mirus of Middletown. Ralph Sumser and June Asplan of Hamilton. Robert McMillan and Ada Steele of Hamilton and Oxford. Jacob Wimmer and Mary Huber of Hamilton. Merle Brown and Henrietta Lincks of Hamilton. Ebbie Gadd and Gertrude Radenheimer of Exeter. Roger Dillman and Virginia Niederauer of Middletown. Russell Dinwiddie and Jewell Humphrey of Hamilton. Larry Gale and Millicent Kuhlman of Cincinnati and Hamilton. Paul Abrams and Mildred Nest er of Camden and Hamilton.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
James W. Barnes
West Sixth Ave
Frances Charlotte Mirus
Middletown
Ralph W. Sumser
Hamilton
June F. Asplan
Robert W. McMillan
Western College
Oxford
Ada E. Steele
Jacob L. Wimmer
Mary Huber
Merle A. Brown
Henrietta Lincks
Ebbie Gadd
Gertrude R. Radenheimer
Excello
Roger W. Dillman
Young St
Virginia M. Niederauer
South Main St
Russell Dinwiddie
Jewell M. Humphrey
Larry B. Gale
Good Samaritan Hospital
Cincinnati
Millicent Kuhlman
Paul Abrams
Farmer
Camden
Mildred M. Nester
Hospital Notices For Judith Wilson Sponsel Hiatt Coleman
In The Hospital Judith E. Wilson daughter of Elmer Wilson Queen St medical. Arnold Sponsel Middletown Route 1 son of Powell Sponsel Arlene Hiatt daughter of Arnold Hiatt Crawford St Mrs Liddie Coleman Waynes-
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Judith E. Wilson
Elmer Wilson
Queen St
Arnold Sponsel
Middletown
Powell Sponsel
Arlene Hiatt
Arnold Hiatt
Crawford St
Liddie Coleman
Waynes
Butler County Court Notices of Criticism and Rivalry
A series of court notices from Butler County lists cases involving neglect cruelty and threats. Names include Girldeen Hurd and Ernest Hurd of New Miami Lillie Vermillion of Hamilton Eva Cisco Doris Daton Malcolm Cisco Tressie Carter and Horton Carter of Middletown.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Girldeen Hurd
New Miami
Ernest Hurd
Lillie Vermillion
Hamilton
French
Fifteenth Ave
Mine
Charles Francis Selby
E. C. Dalton
South Main St
Middletown
Doris Daton
Lebanon
Eva Cisco
North Broad St
Malcolm Cisco
City Hotel
Tressie Carter
Sycamore St
Horton Carter
Walnut St
Disabled Woman Seeks $50 Monthly Benefit in Court
Hazel H Winslow of New Miami sues Mutual Benefit Health and Accident Association of Omaha Nebraska in Common Pleas Court seeking monthly payments of 50 as long as she remains disabled under a policy begun September 22 1947. She was injured in a car crash February 26 1948 and claims payments continued to March 26 when they stopped.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Common Pleas Court
Hazel H
Winslow
New Miami
Mutual Benefit Health and Accident Association
Omaha
Neb
Will of Orion E Inioes directs estate to widow Elsie Inloes
The will filed for probate on March 25 1948 directs that the estate of Orion E Inioes of Hamilton go to his widow Elsie C Inloes who is named executrix. The testator died August 7 leaving personal property valued at 5058.54 and realty valued at 8000.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Orion E. Inioes
Hamilton
Elsie C. Inloes
J. Joseph Marr
Mildred A. Marr
Middletown Estates: Meehan and Faeta Admin Roles Defined
Gerald E Meehan named executor for Mamie Meehan of Middletown who died July 21. Estate valued at 3500 personal property and 8000 realty. Michael Faeta estate inventory shows 18363.26 assets including 12400 realty. Anthony Faeta administrator. Maude McMann estate of Middletown appraised at 4250 realty. John McMann named executor.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Gerald E. Meehan
Mamie Meehan
Middletown
Michael Faeta
Anthony Faeta
Maude McMann
John McMann
Henry Ross Stillwell 76 retired Armco employee dies
Henry Ross Stillwell 76 a retired Armco employee died at his home 331 North Broad St following a three week illness at 7 30 p m Friday He was born in St Clairsville Ohio and moved to Middletown in 1911 He was an Eagles Lodge member Survived by widow Esther a brother Samuel of St Clairsville and two sisters Lolla Hicks New Philadelphia and Jennie Crawford Los Angeles Services Tuesday 2 30 p m Wilson Funeral Home Rev John N Parr Interment Woodside Cemetery Calling hours Sunday 7 10 p m and Monday 2 5 and 7 10 p m
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Henry Ross Stillwell
Armco
North Broad St
St. Clairsville
Middletown
Eagles Lodge
Esther
Samuel
Lolla Hicks
New Philadelphia
Jennie Crawford
Los Angeles
Calif
Wilson Funeral Home
John N. Parr
Woodside Cemetery
Military services for Marion A Specht set for Monday
Marion A Specht, 31, found with fatal neck cut at the Franklin City Building, will receive military rites Monday at 2:30 PM at Joseph R. Baker and Boas Funeral Home. The American Legion will conduct the service with Rev. H H Jung officiating. Interment follows in the Soldiers' Plot. Friends may call at the funeral home after noon today.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Marion A. Specht
Franklin City
Joseph R. Baker and
Boas
American Legion
H. H. Jung
Woodside Joe
John Lawson services set for Sunday in Lexington
John Lawson aged 52 died Thursday at Lexington Administration Hospital Kentucky. Service will be Sunday at 2 30 p m at Joseph R Baker and Son Funeral Home. Interment in Mt Pleasant Cemetery Peach Town. Friends may call at the funeral home until service time.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
John Lawson
Lexington Administration Hospital
Lexington
Joseph R. Baker, and Son Funeral
Mt. Pleasant Cemetery
Peasttown
Effie Hall Dead at 67 in Mt Healthy
Mrs Effie Hall 67 wife of Roy C Hall longtime Warren County farmer died Friday at her Mt Healthy home Funeral services set for 2 pm Monday at the Methodist Church Mt Healthy with burial in Mt Healthy Cemetery Surviving are seven daughters four sisters and two brothers Nilhardt Funeral Home Mt Healthy in charge of arrangements
Dismissed Names in Ville Medical Notice
Miss Margareta Waczula Prospect Ave Mrs Orman Cantrell Lawn Edward Proffit Winona Dr Mrs Forest Egleston Arlington Ave Richard Schirm Aberdeen Urk Prater Seneca St Disposition not specified in available text but listed as dismissed individuals.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Margareta Waczula
Prospect Ave
Orman Cantrell
Lawne
Edward Proffit
Winona Dr
Forest Egleston
Arlington Ave
Richard Schirm
Aberdeen Urk Prater
Seneca St
Shirley May Ends Training Ready For Channel Swim
Shirley May France of Somerset Massachusetts has completed training and is ready for a English Channel attempt when weather allows. Manager Ted Warner said she is in peak shape and will do light conditioning while awaiting a favorable day. Warner and Shirley May’s father plan to travel to Calais to inspect the start point and sleep there before the attempt.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Dover
England
Shirley May
France
English Channel
Somerset, Mass
Ted Warner
Warner
Shirley May Corporation
London
Air Ministry
Straits of Ver
Cape Gris Nez
J. Walter France
Calais
Cap Griser
Harry Boudakian
Boudakian
Fat men and teachers praised as best spouses at Buffalo talk
Buffalo New York AP dispatch quotes Dr. James F. Bender of the National Institute for human relations at Buffalo State Teachers College. He says fat men are least likely to seek divorce and make faithful partners while school teachers are ideal wives and good mothers. He notes teachers are well adjusted and less neurotic on average. He adds tired teachers at home after a day of lectures make husbands happy.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Buffalo
N. Y
National Institute For Human Relations
James F. Bender
New York City
Buffalo State Teachers College
Bender
Drivers Escape As Cars Crash On Route 4
State highway patrol investigated a two car collision one mile south of the Butler Montgomery line at 1 30 a m Cecil J Philips 40 of 1409 Garfield St and Alex Dickerson 24 of Dayton drove the cars both vehicles were on the center line no injuries reported
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Route 4
Butler
Montgomery County
Cecil J. Philips
Garfield St
Alex Dickerson
Dayton
England's Fleet of Motor Cafes on Busy Highways
England operates a growing fleet of mobile cafe vehicles that traverse major highways day and night, serving travelers with hot meals drinks and snacks. The roaming cafes aim to provide quick service and comfort during long journeys amid busy road networks.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
England
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Amanda Boy
Gene Deat
Sheridan
Mr Park
Oral Miller
Oxford State Rd
Jo” Ek
Sores
Roy Grant
June Varcert
Samshire Boys
Sunshine Girls
TRE Staaughters
Columbia
Cubbers
Children’s Song Records
Klamo News
Echoes of Peace
Anderson College and Theological Seminary
Church OF God
Duane White
R. C. Caudill
Voi
DIAL
Vail Ave
Farm Bureau Mutual
Automobile Insurance CO
Colores
Itis
Rogers
Butler County Courts
Ann Yost
DeWitte Yost
Mrs. Effie Hall
Ville, Medical
Dean & Barry
Roy A. White
Nt Avd Sewelers
Ross’ Great
John Ross
Somerville
Somerville School Yard
Somerville Volunteer Fire Dept
Ass'n
Mayfield Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Plymouth
Sheffield
Frank E. Sowards
Tex
Woody
Sammy
WMOH
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