Yesterday's League Games and Association Match Results
East and Wear general sporting news reports yesterday's league games with scores in New York Boston Chicago Cincinnati Philadelphia Brooklyn Cleveland and yesterday's association game Washington Athletics with final tallies.
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New York
Boston
Chicago
Cincinnati
Philadelphia
Brooklyn
Cleveland
Washington
Athletics
Pittsburg
Borton
Phila
Pittsburgs Triumph Over New York in Rough Bid
In New York June game Pittsburgs halted New Yorks’ ten game streak. Ewing struggled as Pittsburgs battered him in the first inning with multiple hits and walks. Clarke and Tiernan provided key moments including a late home run as New York failed to extend their record. Attendance 1,638.
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New York
New Yorks
Pittsburgs
Galvin
John Ewing
New Yorkers
Ewing
Long John
Pittsburgers
Carroll
Beckley
Browning
Mack
Maul
Miller
Berger
Sharrote
Keefe
Brown
Reilly
Nger
Garvin
Clarke
Tiernan
Gijassevrk
O'Rourke
Gore
O"rourke
Bassett
Ieft
Somre
Anson and His Youngsters Shut Out by Boston Nine
Boston blanked Hutchinson and Anson’s Colts 8 to 0 at Boston. Clarkson dominated on the mound as Anson’s lineup failed to muster more than one hit per inning. Boston scored seven runs. Chicago managed four.
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Anson
Boston
Borrox
Bostons
Hutchinson
Clarkson
Couldn't Hit Mullane in League Game
The home team failed to hit Mullane and paid the price as they lost the league game. The visitors managed only a few timely hits against Sean, preventing more runs.
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Partapetrmia
Jane
Mullane
Sean
Brooklyn Triumphs In Tight Pool Game
Brooklyn won a close, exciting pool match in New York on June 1. McKean was fined. the report notes a poorly played contest despite the narrow result.
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Brooklyns
New York
Brooklyn
McKean
Far West Pointers Seek Infield Upgrade
An Old Pittsburg Ball Crank suggests possible infielders to replace Miller at short. The letter notes Walsh from Omaha and Milwau kee as potential improvements and discusses the question of obtaining such players. An Arkansas correspondent’s letter is deemed worthy by local club officials.
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Surra
Anx
Pringle
Miller
Minnen Walsh
Omaha
Milwaukee
Reilly
Arkansas
Springfield and Hartford Race Meet Details
The notes list purses and events including a 2:16 pace 20 trot and 2:21 trot on opening day, with 2:17 trot and 2:23 trot at 220 pace. Outlines continue over a fourth day featuring a $25 trot and free-to-all trot with a 2:4 pace.
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Springfield
Hartford
Warren Trotting Season Opens With Fine Time At Park
About 2 000 fans attended the Warren Driving Park opening. A free-for-all event drew seven strong horses led by Asyland, backed as a Meadville winner, with the track in good condition and fast times posted in the early races. Local starter Hayat timed the events.
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Elegeam
Wannex
Warren Driving Park Association
Hayat
Elmira
Asyland
Meadville
Spina
Cleveland
Rho Ith Ie
Foliota
Rains Mark Race Card as Track Becomes Waterlogged
Racing at Lorm today featured a soggy track with the Southern Hotel Stakes won by Faraday after The Hero led as favorite. Stone finished second as the early betting favored runner struggled, and several races saw slow starts and fluctuating times with horses like Parametta and Caldwell finishing mid-pack in varied distances.
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Lorm
Oh Fee Anege Faraday
Asenaga Stone
Borka
Consiguee
Gold Stone
Boston de
Parametta
Faerener
Marchma
Tne
Benton Blues Walk Over Mansfelds In Pittsburg Game
The Benton Blues of Pittsburg won easily at Mawerreiy Pa as Mansfelds struggled against pitchers Brady and Gardner. Gardner impressed with strong third base plays while Brady allowed most of the runs and Gardner earned the win after relief. The game lasted about two hours and fifteen minutes with Sayler umpiring.
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Reed
Farnei
New York
Pitts& Twe
Tierann
Richardson
Tufee
Glassone
Rour Csrro Keilhr
Fring
Galvin
Strack
Clarke
Pitcrhes—Ewing
Pittsburg
En York
Pitteturg
Shapiro Hurst
Mawerreiy
Benton Blues
Mansfielde
Brady
Gardner
Mansfeld
Ben Ri
Ile
Kane
Benton
Lavelle
McStein
Br Brady
Chicago track results for June tenth relay meet
Results show Blue Well winning the one mile race with Silverado second and Emma C third in 1 444. Arundel takes the four furlongs with Billy ee second and Harry Weaver third. Six furlongs sees Teu ont leading over Bob McCort and Dan H with Climax in the mix.
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Blue Well
Silverado
Emma C
Arundel
Billyee
Harry Weaver
Joe Fat Wen Helin
Seccenies
Tin Hoe
Erect Darel
Bob McCort
Timeae Diatheae
Dan
Climax
Intercollegiate Championship Game at Recreation Park
This afternoon at Recreation Park Washington and Jefferson College meets Western University to decide Western Pennsylvania’s intercollegiate championship. The article lists team makeup and key players for both schools.
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Recreation Park
Washington and Jefferson College
Western University
Western Pennsylvania
Local horsemen set for McKeesport Driving Park races
Brappace June 10 local riders headed to McKeesport with entries in the Driving Park contests. Geo Whitfelds Milo McAnulty James Flick and Michael Quirk expect to win a good share of the stakes.
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Brappace
McKeesport
Geo Whitfelds
Milo McAnulty
James Flick
Michael Quirk
Crescent City Fishing Club Heads to Legionville Camp
The Crescent City Fishing Club will go to Legionville in Pennsylvania on June 2 aboard the F. F. W. Co. R. B. for a period ending in Seien. They travel with a music party and accompanying staff. Members include F. R. B. Schank Sweger Manager F. Killner Treasurer A. Marx George Tom Frank Kemple cer of the Day 7% Rewards Chaplain.
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Crescent City Fishing Club
Legionville
Seien
F. RB. Schank
Sweger
F. Killner
A. Marx
George Tom Frank Kemple
Allegheny and Pittsburg bartenders elected last evening
The nines for Allegheny and Pittsburg Bartenders were elected. Allegheny nominees include G. Mitchell J. Mullen C. Mitchell G. Shields M. Fenny Teresa McElroy C. Buchler EdMott. Pittsburg nominees include Pete Carr Ford Schmidt Mike Dr Billy Finnerty Charles Moore Bill S. Tren Salk John Reuter Foun Ben. The game will be played at Exposition Park tomorrow.
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Allegheny
Pittsburg
G. Mitchell
J. Mullen
C. Mitchell
G. Shields
M. Fenny
Terese McElroy
C. Buchler
Ed Mo
Pete Carr
Ford Schmidt
Mike Dr
Billy Finnerty
Charles Moore
Bill SS Tren Salk
John Reuter
Foun
Ben
Exposition Park
Giants Halt Patter and Pitchers Stir Debate
Local chatter hints at coaching changes and player shifts as baseball circles discuss the Giants and Pittsburg lineup. Mentions Miller Kefa and Hanlon, Se Moone, and a flurry of practice notes as teams within 100 miles of Pittsburgh seek adjustments and stronger performances.
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Giants
Miller
Tim Keefa
Hanlon
Fone
Frank Dillon
Sidney
Acines
Mansfields
Pittehborg
Dasebal N. T
Southside
Pittsburg
Jeannette Grays
John Johnston
Mt. Pleasant Defeats Dickerson Run 4 to 2 in Local Game
Mt. Pleasant beat Dickerson Run 4 to 2 this afternoon. Marsh led with strong bat work and a Lakota Levens fly by a Marsh streak powered the home team's scoring, delivering a solid victory on a sunny June day.
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Mr. Pleasant
Mt. Pleasant
Dickerson Run Club
Marsh
Morris Park Race Day Draws Big Crowd On Track
Morris Park drew about 8000 spectators as wind and weather favored races including the All Breeze and Belmont stakes. Results featured Major Domo, Time 1 47, Foxford, Laurestan, and other winners with entries announced for tomorrow's six-furlong and mile events among a slate of eight races.
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Morris Park
W. Aguobd Seco
Secormick Tire
Ambulance
Foxford
Ne Ace
Laurestan
Mix Lettes Sisent
Temple
Alx Furiouss
Siebbner
Annie
Sir John
Sinaetonia
Los Angeles
Igt
Femmth
Cas
Nirac
G Casinova Sistas
Aigaanas
Rudence
Baits Rctak
Liessel
Barton Seach
Anna
Spinalong
J . Aly
Wooduets
India
Sinder
Tine
Rosa
Pri Charming
Austin
James
Grand Trotting Classes Adopted at Circuit Meeting
The Board of Stewards of the Grand Trotting Circuit met in Rochester with members from Pittsburg Cleveland Buffalo Philadelphia and Hartford. Officials discussed dates and entry rules for free-to-all trotters with purses listed and new class entries set for late summer.
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Board of Stewards
Rochester
Grand Trotting Circuit
J. A. Mec-Cracken
Pittsburg
William Edward
W. B. Fasig
George W. Short
Cleveland
C. J. Hamlin
L. Hawley
Buffalo
W. Archer
A. Collins
Rochesbeth
O. King
Hartford
E. C. Robinson
Omens
J. A. Wenderoth
Phiiasave
Springfel
Ini Ph Galphin
Atnrt
Tan Bat
Pitts
Groveland
Southside Plans Independent Fourth of July Celebration
Southside residents push for a separate Fourth of July event due to distance and cost to reach Schenley Park. A committee seeks funds to cover a $1,000 goal and proposes a hillside cookout near the Ninth Street head, after asking Mayor Gourley to return local subscriptions.
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Southside
Schenley Park
Gourley
Southeide
Kagal
Nineteenth Street
Parnell Roasted in National Federation Manifesto
The June 9 address from the National Federation of America condemns Charles Parnell and the Hueller Fund, accusing him of betrayal and duplicity in Ireland home rule efforts. It outlines a new American-led federation to raise and transmit funds to Irish authorities, with Kelley of New York as treasurer and a central board to control distributions.
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Thomas Addis Emmet
M. D
National Federation of America
Friends In America
Ireland
Parnell
Irs
Anus
Sionie
Moose
America
Friends of Ireland
Liberal Party
2 Land
National Federation of Avsberica
Enene Kelley
New York
Board of Trustees
Pattison Presides Over State Board of Agriculture Meeting
Gettysburg June 10 Governor Pattison presided at the spring meeting of the State Board of Agriculture in Gettysburg. Vice Presidents Rogers Searle and Eastburn Reeder welcomed him as the group discussed papers on farming practices, crop conditions, the Granger bill, and the oleomargarine issue during afternoon sessions.
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State Board of Agriculture
Gettysburg
Pattison
McClellax
Pos
Thomas J
D. R. Shoek
Green Castle
James Young
Middletown
David Willis
A Novelty in Race Wars in Cal
A Piute Indian named Poker Tom visited Brinecrost from Walker River reservation and gambled with Chinese at Ah Tia's store. Tom disappeared after the second night. Indians conducted a court and examined five witnesses who testified they saw Tom and the Chinamen gambling. Local tensions rose as rumors of a killing circulated and Mono Lake residents feared repercussions.
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Brinecrost
Cal
Poker Tom
Walker River Reservation
Calico
Ah Tia
Tom
Walker River
Fragmentary Native Sky River Crime Report
The report describes a violent incident involving the Mono Lake Indians and a white suspect. It notes a woman described as a lover, a bloody scene in a Chinaman's store, a severed body found in the river, and a confession leading to a guilty verdict at a local trial.
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Mono Lake
Mystery over Keystone Bank linked to large debt suits
Edward R. McGill assignee for John P. Bardsley filed five suits in Common-Press Court against alleged debtors. The lead suit targets Keystone National Bank for $945,000 tied to promissory notes and disputed due bills, with counsel promising to unveil evidence clearing up the bank’s missing records. Ephraim Young, Mill-Cliff Cracker Company president, faced arraignment for defrauding the cracker firm of $34,000 in collusion with Francis W. Jeddy, bail set at $20,000.
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Philadel Pata
Edward R. McGill
John P. Bardsley
Mr. Bardsley
Keystone National Bank
Haven Dome
Keystone Bank
Bardsley
Robert Alexander
Ephraim Young
Mill-Cliff Cracker Company
Broken Spring Garden National Bank
Devlin
Tracy
Francis W. Jeddy
Cracker Company
Young
Immense Oil Fire After Lightning Strike at Cole Grove
A storm struck two 30 000 barrel Buckeye Pipe Line tanks at Cole Grove, igniting both and creating a flame plume over 200 feet high. The 60 000 barrels of petroleum burned for about 38 hours as Superintendent P Newell led efforts to entrench the tanks and limit damage. Estimated loss reached 40 000.
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Distatch
Braprord
Cole Grove
National Transit Company
Buckeye
P. Newell
Nlso
Peculiar frog bird caught by New Castle duo
Thomas Marshall and Fred Grace were fishing in a skiff near New Castle when a winged frog, part bird with a fantail, landed in their boat. The creature weighs nine ounces with wings nine inches across and can swim like a frog and fly a long distance.
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New Castle
Thomas Marshall
Fred Grace
Insanity Commission Tour Reviews Dixmont and State Facilities
James B. Scott and Henry M. Boles with Dr. Henry M. Wetherill of the State Lunacy Commission toured Dixmont and will visit City Poor Farm Almshouse and Warren asylum. Wetherill urged humane treatment and noted many isolated cases of cruelty and neglect in the state.
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James B. Scott
Henry M. Boles
Scranton
Henry M. Wetherill
State Lunacy Commission
Dixmont
Warren
R. Wetherill
Seventh Avenue
Sa Oe
CIA
Transferring the Power Allegheny Chiefs Granted Local Reform
City Hall meeting clarifies powers of Allegheny chiefs as executive officers with authority to appoint and discharge staff. Council to vote on an ordinance shifting procurement powers up to 200 without separate enactment, with departmental controls and council oversight noted. Mayor’s stance on interim appointments remains unsettled as of last night.
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Hends
Allegheny
City Hall
Ee Enet
Pomument
Hamilton Hotel Reopens Dry Under New Owner
John Staley, new proprietor of the Hamilton Hotel, declares the house open but the bar closed. He aims to keep the business steady despite licensing fears, stating no license refusal was due to any opposition but concern for the house’s future. Patrick O’Lane, former Constable of a town ward, was buried at St Mary’s Cemetery after a fatal accident.
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Hamilton
John Staley
d._ reige
Patrick Olane
St. Mary's
Cemete
Sre
Bribery Trials in New Orleans End in Mistrials and Guilty Verdicts
In New Orleans the high profile bribery case against O'Malley and McCrystal unfolds with severance to trial McCrystal first. McCabe testifies that McCrystal offered $500 to influence a tales juror and up to $1000 with a subpena. Judge Baker rules McCrystal's confession inadmissible, yet a jury convicts McCrystal and a mistrial halts Granger's case after a nine to three split for acquittal. O'Malley may escape while Granger faces continued proceedings with tied ties to prominent families.
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New Orleans
O'Malley
McCrystal
McCshe
Baker
Luzenberg
D. C. O'Malley
Mr. Luzenberg
McCabe
Hennessey
Mcrystal
McStee Ater
McCryatal
Jo Baker
Charles Granger
Glaudi
Granger
Boen
Machecas
Oteris
Ente
Jay
Temperature and Rainfall Report June 1 1991
June 1 1991 records show high and low temperatures with rainfall measurements. The brief notes include observed precipitation amounts and temperature range for the day.
Moving Coal Fleet Sinks Reported In Ohio River Near Parkersburg
Special Telegram from Panersancas reports tow boats passing down the Ohio River with multiple tows including Alice Brown Josh Cook Crescent Coal City and Diamond Pacific and Coal Valley Samuel Miller Sam Clark and John A Wood Joseph Williams Reserve and J A Blackmore Jim Wood L Wood Ed Roberts Maggie W W O Neil Boaz Harry Brown Tom Dodsworth Delta Ed Roberts Moore Walton James Gilmore Clifton Belle McGowan Tom Lysle. The Charles Brown struck a B&O railroad barge and sank part of it in the channel while the other half dumped coal and drifted to the Ohio shore. Another barge is said sunk overnight near the first, prompting pilots to avoid the obstruction. The J M Jackson passed upstream at 104 TM.
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Panersancas
Alice Brown
Josh Cook
Crescent
Coal City
Diamond
Pacific
Coal Valley
Samuel Miller
Sam Clark
John A. Wood
Joseph Williams
Reserve
J. A. Blackmore
Jim Wood
L. Wood
Ed Robberts
Maggie
W. W. O'Neil
Boaz
Harry Brown
Tom Dodsworth
Piernt
Delta
Ed Roberts
Moire
Walton
James Gilmore
Clifton
Belle McGowan
Tom Lysle
Charles Brown
Ohio
J. M Jackson
Quiet Along the Wharves as Water Recedes
The Water still receding and little activity on the rivers. Tux M. F. Attzen leaves at noon for Wheeling. Water marks read six feet nine inches. Turre reports no Parkersburg line boat yesterday due to Bedford repairs. Hudson sailed yesterday for Cincinnati. Batchelor ret turn limits today. Congo operates in the lower river trade.
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M. F. Attzen
Wheeling
Turre
Parkersburg
Bedford
Hudson
Cincinnati
Batchelor
Congo
Telegrams From The Rivers And Weather Outlook
Weather telegrams report river levels with measurements and trends for several rivers. Cincinnati river gauge shows 2 feet 6 inches and rising while others indicate varying levels and changes. Forecast notes fair warm conditions with clear skies and incoming high temperatures.
Coraopolis Council Faces Snarl Over Debt and Boardwalk Plan
The Coraopolis council struggles with last year’s accounts and a two mile boardwalk project while committees probe missing funds. Talks of rebalancing taxes and potential court action on assessments dominate the session as equalization efforts press.
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Coraopolis
Committees of
Ways and Means
Drygoods Market Updates in New York Trade
Drygoods market in New York shows steady demand for current and future wants. Cotton goods and shirtings active for air delivery with strong interest in angel shirtings and indigo prints. Corp cottons weak, popular brown breaded colors in demand. overall stock conditions described as steady with exceptional stock accumulations.
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New York
Corporation
Aon
Hottest Day Of The Year And Heat Stroke Incident
The article notes this day as the year’s hottest so far with June 2 previously the peak. It also reports nine days into June with rainfall totals 0.73 inches, and year-to-date rainfall 16.77 inches, above average. A sunstruck Pole worker, about 35, was taken to West Penn Hospital in critical condition after collapse at Howe Brown Co. mill. identity and residence are unknown.
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Stewart
Howe, Brown & Co
West Penn Hospital
Neme
Hotels Face Slow Season Amid City Wide Strike
Hotel men complain of dull business unusually slow for summer. An intelligent clerk blames the downturn on the local banding strike. Commercial men avoid Pittsburg, believing money is scarce, showing how strikes impact a city's business interests.
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Pittsburg
Lofink and Barker jailed on bail in Ford case
John Lofink and Mrs Mary Barker have been jailed on $2000 bail each over the injuries to Jennie Ford. A hearing before Magistrate Gripp is set for today. The girl remains alive but very low in condition.
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John Lofink
Mary Barker
Jennie Ford
Joe
Gripp
New and desirable colors and styles at Penn Avenue Stores
Jos. Horse & Co.'s Penn Avenue Stores offer new colors and styles with prices listed for various models. Hamilton's at 91 and 93 Fifth Avenue is promoted as the city’s sole outlet for these items.
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Jos. Horse & Co
Penn Avenue
Fires devastate mills and railway facilities across regions
The Philadelphia lace and mills of Edward Jones burn with 9101,000 loss insured. Snohomish Washington Blackman Brothers saw mill and telegraph office destroyed for about 9100,000. A. Campbell & Co cotton mill in Manayunk suffers 950,000 damage with seven story frame building and 60 looms. Forest fires rage on New Brunswick lines with Kent Junction destroyed and stations and hotels consumed.
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Philadelphia
Edward Jones
Snohomish, Wash
Blackman Brothers
Tame Avenue
Manayunk
A. Campbell & Co
Crenshaw & Leser
Orgs Co
New Brunswick
Inter-Colonial Railway
Kent Junction
Ain Tank
Unclear Item Sells 37000 Units in City
OCR fragment notes 37000 made and sold with 37000 in actual use. Mentions a location at 93 Fifth Avenue and Verona OL and a seller at a city address. Details are fragmentary and uncertain about product or event.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Verona
Fifth Avenue
Fischer Pianos Highlighted at S. Hamilton’s Fifth Avenue
88,000 Fischer pianos advertised by S. Hamilton’s at 91 and 93 Fifth Avenue. The listing emphasizes availability and showroom presence in a prominent New York location.
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Fischer
S. Hamilton
Fifth Avenue
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General Sporting Notes
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Genulor
Mower
L. T. Cavert Fosmain
Pitts Club
Thesmoky City
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Pittsburg Ae
East
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NEW Irish Society
Parnell and the Hueller Fund
Heystone Bank
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Bradford
Mr. Staley
Slippery O'Mastey
Western
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United States Signal Service
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Drygoods Market
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California
Gibson
JOS. Fleming & Son
Market ST
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Pittsburg, FA
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Lofink
Mrs. Barker
Hamilton’s
Decker Bros
Knabe Pianos
Brockie
Werea
DP. Carter
J. HH. Frohring
Liberty ST
DERBY
Outfitiers
Wood Street
Bet” Stern
JAS
Bruien
Johan Hoffs
Jans D Cages
Deconvales- Elson CO
Bening Tee
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