Reform Must Rule Fees of Constables Reduced by the County Controller
County Controller Speer introduces a reform to pay constables only for subpoenas that witnesses obey, aiming to cut county costs. The change follows a Supreme Court decision and targets wasted funds from issued subpoenas where witnesses fail to appear. A test case emerged in Alderman McMasters' office over liquor-law hearings with six summoned witnesses none appearing.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Speer
Supreme Court
O'Brien
O’brien
McCall
Alderman McMasters
The Armstrong Monument Committees Appointed
The Executive Committee of the Thomas A. Armstrong Monumental Association met to decide a design and site for the monument. Committees were appointed to solicit designs and bids and to report a suitable location. The treasurer reports the fund exceeding $10,000.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Thomas A. Armstrong Monumental Association
Amalgamated Association
Messrs
Martin, Moore and Shields
Sturgeon
Kelly
Ritenour
Four Bodies Found Near Lake Lancean In Allegheny City
Chief Kirschler of Allegheny received a telegram from Urbana county Ohio Coroner C. E. Imhoff asking if the body of John Lanegan is wanted there. No missing person named Lanegan is known in the city. report says a body was found on a railroad track near the lake.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Kirschler
Allegheny
C. E. Imhoff
Urbana County
Ohio
John Lanegan
Allegheny City
Lanegan
Freight Rate Hike Sets New Texas Shipping Prices
New freight rates raise charges from this city to Texas common points with effect from the 20th. First class 1, second 142, third 121, a 108, 81th SS cents, Class A 9, B 42, Te D So E W cents per 100 pounds. Forties include tonrtt plas, window glass, iron and wire in car roads Ofth class.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Texas
Election Contest in Thirty-fifth Ward Ends Hearing
Hearing on the Councilman race between Stessell and Binder closed before Commissioner Young after examining 12 witnesses. Three alleged tax delinquents Beckman Lang and Quinn were found not to have paid taxes yet cast ballots. Verdict expected in a few days.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Stessell
Binder
Young
Joseph Beckman
George Lang
John Quinn
Building Permits in December 1858 Report
The Building Comptroller’s office shows 136 permits issued in December 1858 with 35 for brick buildings and 96 for frame and stoneclad constructions. Estimated cost totals 296,003 dollars, an increase over December 1887. Proceeds for the month were 2.
Andrew Jackson's Day at the Randall Club Memorial
The Randall Club on Sixth avenue celebrated General Jackson and the Battle of New Orleans with festive attire, a dining collation, and a program led by Morrison Foster. Forters honored, a memory sketch linked to 1839 commemorations, followed by music and entertainment into the early morning.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Randall Club
Sixth Avenue
Jackson
New Orleans
Timothy O'Leary
Morrison Foster
Andrew Jackson
Pittsburg
Washington Coffee House
Penn Avenue
St. Clair Street
General Jackson
Forter
Temperance for Drummers by W C T U No 2 entertains salesmen
The Ladies of the W C T U No 2 hosted about thirty traveling salesmen from J T P Hines & Co last night in the Morehead building. Mrs E B R Jones presided, Mrs Huntly of Sharpsburg led prayer, and pledge signing for total abstinence was encouraged. A testimonial was given to Mr Hines with a warm response from him.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
W.C.T. U
J. T P. Hines & Co
Morehead Building
Second and
Grant Streets
E. BR. Jones
Huntly
Sharpsburg
Allegheny County W C T U Discusses Labor Outreach
Mrs H C Campbell presided at the Allegheny County Woman's Christian Temperance Union meeting in the Penn building. Mrs KR H Jones urged temperance literature for all languages to reach coal miners. A city district plan was set to assign unions sections of the town for outreach. A prayer meeting is scheduled for tomorrow at 534 Smithfield Street. Mrs Maier reported on railroad men work and brakemen requesting Bibles. Miss Martha McConnell and Mrs R J Smith praised their unions' efforts.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
H. C. Campbell
Allegheny County Woman's Christian Temperance Union
Penn
KR. H. Jones
Smithfield Street
Maier
Martha McConnell
R. J. Smith
Bucket shop burst leads to embezzlement charge
Lincoln Laugher was brought before Alderman Cassidy on a Brookville Pennsylvania embezzlement charge by G. M. Nickel. He allegedly ran a bucket shop in Brookville and swindled residents of about £1000, fled, and was arrested in the city by Detective Denny of Perkins' Agency. A hearing is set before Justice Walker in Brookville next Saturday.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lincoln Laugher
Cassidy
G. M. Nickel
Laugher
Brookville
Perkins’ Detective Agency
Denny
Justice Walker
Court Infantry Parade Tests Pride and Pomp
Yesterday afternoon the Court Infantry parade showcased brilliant uniforms and graceful movements. Entrancing martial music accompanied the procession before a grand banquet at Court Infantry Cafe concluded the anniversary event.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Court Infantry
Coke
Blackstone
Asa Militaire
Court Infantry Cafe
Bankin on Understanding Break for Liberty
Last night between 8 and 9 o'clock Officer Mangan confronted two men hauling a large collection of shoes. They fled but one was captured and taken to the Fourteenth ward station. He signed his name William in.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Mangan
Sons of Freedom
Fourteenth Ward
William In
Wife Takes Poison in Morning at Mason Home
Mrs. Louisa Mason wife of Lee Munson a cooper residing rear of No 110 Forty-seventh took poison yesterday morning. She had been demented and had often threatened to take her life.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Louisa Mason
Lee Munson
No. 110
Ares
Philadelphia Natural Gas Company Declares 1 Percent Dividend
The regular monthly meeting of the Philadelphia Natural Gas Company was held yesterday afternoon in the office of Vice President Charles Paine and the regular 1 percent dividend was declared.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Philadelphia Natural Gas Company
Charles Paine
The Son Also Arrested: Frank Kotinsky Held After Arrest
Frank Kotinsky aged 15 the son of Polish shoplifters was arrested last night and will be held until his parents have a hearing.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Frank Kotinsky
James R. Conners Resigns to Enter Brokerage
James R. Conners, formerly with the R. L & P., resigns to join his brother in the brokerage business.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
James R. Conners
Barry's New Order Forms a Mixed Branch of United Labor
Tom Barry leads a new branch of the Brotherhood of United Labor in a mixed crafts group allied to D A 3 and K of L networks. He criticizes M W Doyle and Powderly, vows to expose corruption in the Knights of Labor and defend workers against alleged mismanagement amid ongoing labor tensions.
Powderly may visit Lafayette Hall for rally
An organizer pledges to host William Powderly at Lafayette Hall on Saturday with free use of the hall and a public meeting planned in Beaver Falls. He criticizes Knights of Labor leadership in Philadelphia and predicts D A 3 membership declines, while Master Workman Doyle downplays Barry's local impact.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Doyle
Workman Powderly
Powderly
Pease
Denny
Campbell
Bingham House
Philadia
Philadelphia
Auburn
Medina
N. Y
New Britain
Conn
Connecticut
Powiterly
Labor
Knights of Labor
Mr. Powderly
Lafayette Hall
Brotherhood of United Labor
Knights
Barry
Beaver Falls
Macbeth & Co Plans Large Warehouse to Stock Two Years
Macbeth and Co the leading chimney makers move to avert potential labor trouble by building a large five story warehouse at South Ninth and old Sarah streets. The storage facility would hold a two year supply of chimneys to sustain trade during any strike and keep production running while wage demands are resolved. George A Macbeth declined to confirm the plan when contacted.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Macbeth & Co
South Ninth
Old Sarah Streets
George A. Macbeth
Serious Illness of Mr. C. Risher at Allegheny Home
News notes the serious illness of Mr. J. C. Risher, a prominent coal industry figure, at his Allegheny residence. The item highlights his role in the local coal trade and his standing among neighbors.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
3. C. Risher
Allegheny
J. C. Risher
Local businessman Risher Nearing End at Home
Operators of this vicinity report Allegheny resident Mr. Risher is dying at his home. His physicians say he may not survive the week. Risher has spent his life in the business and is highly regarded locally.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Allegheny
Risher
Bakers' Association Elects Permanent Officers at Meeting
A well attended Bakers Merchant Protective Association meeting at the Grocers' Exchange approved the constitution committee report and rented the hall as a permanent meeting place. Elected officers include President John Dimling, Vice Presidents J Goettman C A Slagle and D F Gist, Secretary T L Pfarr, Treasurer R B Ward, Directors J Dodds P Smith J Kaltenhauser G Ward C Slagle G Lanz G Orth C Kon Btancer and J A New.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Bakers’ Merchant Protective Association
Grocers’ Exchange
Committee On
John Dimling
J. Goettman
C. A. Slagle
D. F. Gist
T. L. Pfarr
R. B. Ward
J. Dodds
P. Smith
J. Kaltenhauser
G. Ward
C. Slagle
G. Lanz
G. Orth
C. Kon- Btancer
J. A. New
Labor leaders address Mansfield assemblies
Master Workman John F. Doyle of D. A. 3 General Lecturer T. Walls and J O Shea of the Knights of Labor spoke to members of Labor Assemblies 7600 and 6262 K of L in Mansfield last night.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
John F. Doyle
D. A
T. Walls
J. §. O'Shea
Knights of Labor
Mansfield
Squeezers Break Triggers Zug Mill Pud Dling Shutdown
A break in the squeezers at Zug's mill last night shut down the pud dling department. General Lecturer William Wall of the Knights of Labor runs for Select Council in the Twenty-seventh ward. Report that H M Curry will replace the late D A Stewart as chairman of Carnegie Phipps Co is denied by firm members.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Zug
William Wall
Knights of Labor
H. M. Curry
D. A. Stewart
Carnegie, Phipps & Co
Regular rises in property assessments across wards and mills
Official 1889 assessments in the Twenty-ninth ward show uniform increases with notable jumps in mill properties. Sample rises include Iron and Glass Bank from 1837 to 1889, George Macbeth nearly doubling, and Dilworth Porter & Co from 970 to 248,204. Thirteenth ward also shows increases except for large manufacturing firms.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Twenty-ninth Ward
Iron and Glass Bank
Doyle & Co
George A. Macbeth
A. M. Byers &Co
Bingham Street
A. Garrison Foundry Company
H. B. Scott & Co
Oliver Bros. & Phillips
Abel, Smith & Co
Carson Street
Robinson, Rea & Co
Lot and Foundry
G. T. Robinson
Coal Hill
South Pittsburg
Oliver Wire Company, Limited
William Richards
Education Board Reports December School Enrollment Rise
City Superintendent Lackey told the Central Board last night that December enrollment averaged 22 789, up 1 314 from a year earlier. A South school principal was censured for altering certificates at the high school exam. The O Hara night school will continue another month. A proposal seeks re exams for December failers in April with new rules, and a 65 percent pass in drawing triggers re test opportunities. A Luckey district teacher was granted.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lackey
Central Board
South School
O'Hara
Staub
Luckey
Non-committal Mr Carnegie visits city
Andrew Carnegie arrived in Pittsburgh for a few days and kept quiet about politics. He refused to discuss Indianapolis or any cabinet appointments, saying he had received no word from Blaine and would not express an opinion. He was seen with Mrs. Carnegie and a party of friends.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Andrew Carnegie
City
Pittsburg
Indianapolis
Carnegie
Blaine
The Coming Spring Battle Democrats Meet to Organize
The Allegheny County Democracy held a meeting last evening and elected officers for the year. A resolution asked Chairman P Foley to call a naral meeting to organize the city Democrats. Invitations for the February 15 county meeting were distributed. At sheriff sale creditors' benefit, Southside buyers acquired the Independent Glass Company property, securing an $11,000 bank mortgage.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Allegheny County Democracy
P. Foley
City Democratic Committee
Naral
Farmers’ and Mechanics’ Bank
Southside
Independent Glass Company
Pittsburg Free Dispensary Directors Meet on Ventilation
Directors of the Pittsburg Free Dispensary met yesterday afternoon in the law office of John M Kennedy. The question of ventilating the new building by the Smead system was left to the committee for consideration.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pittsburg
Doctors rule out self-inflicted wound in Albert Davis murder
Drs Parchment and McCandless conducted a post mortem on Albert Davis in the East End and stated the fatal wound could not have been self inflicted.
Fight Arrests Over Whisky Bottle Quarrel
Mrs Long Annie Long and Mrs Higgins were arrested by Officer Thompson at 1220 Spring Alley yesterday afternoon for fighting. A bottle of whisky caused the quarrel.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Mrs. Long
Annie Long
Mrs. Higgins
Thompson
No. 1220
Spring Alley
Ward Appeals Correction Noted by The Dispatch
A news notice corrects an error declaring appeals from the Twenty-second ward, clarifying that the intended ward is the Twenty-seventh ward. The correction appeared in yesterday's issue of The Dispatch.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Twenty-second Ward
Twenty-seventh Ward
Why the Law Governing the Northside Is Unconstitutional
The Common Council defers action as City Attorney Elphinstone explains a Supreme Court opinion declares the 1887 classification act unconstitutional and permits only three classes. The decision condemns local and special legislation and supports a move toward general laws.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Allegheny Common Council
Wertheimer
Supreme Court
Elphinstone
Council
MR. Elphinstone
Philadelphia
Allegheny
Pennsylvania
Sterrett
Ple
Wilkesbarre
Pittsburg
Commonwealth
The Brass Robbers Method Jooking Up Bearings
General Superintendent Wood reports on brass thieves forming gangs to steal car bearings by jacking up freight cars. He cites breakups in Detroit and Chicago and warns such gangs may operate locally, noting bearings weigh ten pounds and are worth about 17 cents per pound. Ten minutes can steal a bearing, often unnoticed between freight lines before oil packing catches fire.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Wood
Detroit
Chicago
East End Tragedy Inquest Opens After Davis Murder
Coroner began investigation into the homicide of Albert Davis at 80 Frankstown Avenue. Witnesses, including Millie White the sleeping child, testified as inquest opened. Caroline Palmer alias Caroline Davis held for murder with no evidence yet proving guilt.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Albert Davis
Frankstown Avenue
Cable W. Nicholas
Reuben Austen
Charles Palmer
Millie White
Caroline Palmer
Caroline Davis
Pittsburg Leaders Question Rail Rate Cutting Controversy
Pittsburgh bankers dismiss Sun's rail rate cut critique as Wall Street concern. They see little local impact from December 1887 rate cuts or the planned December 1888 restore, noting railroad managers seek profits despite stockholder losses elsewhere.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pittsburg
New York
Great Western Lines
The
Sun
Disratenh
Wall Street
John Harper
Bank of
Unfair Pair Sisters Arrested After Bohemian Style Party
The Fair sisters of Allegheny three midgets Maggie Kellar Becky Lapsley and Mary Fair were arrested by Officer Moreland after neighbors complained of disruptive behavior following their brother’s death. They were taken to the lock-up after a street scuffle in which the officer was knocked into the mud. The sisters, married but not living with husbands, may be released or reappearing today.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Commonwealth
Fair Sisters
Allegheny
Moreland
Maggie Kellar
Becky” Lapsley
Mary Fair
Allegheny Poor Board Finances Report Details
The annual financial report shows total expenses of 55333 49 with 10786 96 spent on outside city relief and 26821 33 for home maintenance. Receipts from produce and boarding inmates total 2292 11, and assets aggregate 339813 79 with 30000 liabilities including mortgage and loan. The average monthly inmate count was 25114.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Allegheny Poor Board
Westinghouse Building Stands Sound Despite Cracks
A Philadelphia Company official said the Westinghouse building at Penn avenue and Ninth street remains sound despite visible cracks and added bracing. The $418,000 structure is described as a top town investment, with braces installed to prevent further damage.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Philadelphia Company
Westinghouse
Penn Avenue
Ninth Street
Banquet Invites Crew Aboard Brownsville Packet
The Adam Jacobs tied up at Greensboro Sunday and the crew received a surprise invitation to a banquet that evening. Mr. E. L. Pancost and wife, noted restaurateurs, hosted a generous feast that the crew enjoyed fully.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Brownsville Packet
Adam Jacobs
Greensboro
E. L. Pancost
Fire brick injures engine man at Eighteenth Street house
George McClelland of engine company No. 15 suffered a severe scalp wound when a brick fell from a chimney on Mrs. J. Derry’s house on Eighteenth street. An alarm from box 61 was for a small roof fire.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
George McClelland
Engine Company No. 15
J. Derry
Goods recovered by police identified at Mulberry Alley residence
Items found at Mrs Kovinsky dwelling No 49 Mulberry alley were identified by Penn avenue shopkeepers. Recovered goods are kept at Inspector Mc Aleese's office.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Kovinsky
Mulberry Alley
Penn Avenue
McAleese
First Popular Excursion to Washington City by B and C R R
Excursion on Thursday January 17 1889 to Washington City for nine dollar round trip tickets valid ten days. Trains depart Pittsburgh 11 30 A M and 1020 A M. Pullman parlor cars on day trains and sleeping cars on night train. Opportunity to see Congress in session and to visit Point Comfort. Illustrated circulars from E D Smith Division Passenger Agent Cori avenue and Wood street Pittsburgh.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pittsburgh
Congress
Sessio
OS Point Comfort
E. D. Smith
Cori Avenue
Wood Street
Pittsburg
BEXCH Show of Dogs Entries Close January 19
Entries for a dog show close January 19 with a premium list available at multiple Pittsburg area gun stores and addresses. The notice notes labor support and highlights the National Benefit Association of Indianapolis as an accident insurance leader, with J T Conn ingham listed as agent at 51 Lewis Block.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Pittsburg
Accident Insurance
National Benefit Association of Indianapolis
J.T. Conningham
Lewis Block
January Dress Goods Sale at Jos. Horne & Co.
Store advertises January dress goods sale featuring French broadcloths priced at 150 and 250, claiming best value in any store. Jos Horne & Co Penn Avenue stores.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Jos. Horne & Co
Penn Avenue
Rosalia Whitmyre & Co advertise floormark brand and bargains
The ad promotes Rosalia flooring by Whitmyre & Co at Thirty-eighth street near Allegheny Valley Railroad. It touts quality claims and lists price bargains including 200 dozen linen towels at 12 a piece, and discounted goods from Hucus & Hacre and Pitcairn's on Wood street. Shoes from G D Simons at 78 Ohio Street feature in the sale.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hucus & Hacre
Mwfsu
Court House Lighting Debate Over Electric Lamps
Local report questions the efficiency of the new electric lighting in the court house amid claims by lamp and electrical vendors that the wiring is faulty. Commissioners acknowledge possible grounding issues and expect a full investigation to fix the unreliable illumination.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
New Court House
A Rise in Pastry Disturbance Near Lacock and Madison
Two inebriated men, William Ealers and Robert McKelvy, created a pastry disturbance as a Hilbert's bakery driver unloaded near Lacock street and Madison avenue. McKelvy kicked a tray, scattering doughnuts and cakes while bystanders cheered. Officer Snyder Apprehended the pair.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lacock Street
Madison Avenue
Hilbert
Spring Garden Avenue
William Ealers
Robert McKelvy
Snyder
Central City Focgee Building Offers Ready Occupancy Rooms
Parties needing power and central city access are invited to inspect rooms of all sizes in the new focgee building at 75 77 and TV Diamond street. Rooms include freight and elevator service, prompt janitor cleaning, electric lighting, ventilation, and superior light. Apply at Drs PATCH new building Diamond street.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Focgee
TV Diamond Street
Drs- Patch
New Building
Diamond Street
New Year Flour Brand Rosalia By Whitmyre Co Sale Ad
Whitmyre & Co offers Rosalia flour manufactured on Thirty-eighth street and Allegheny Valley Railroad claiming top quality. Also advertises a sale of odd lengths of striped surahs India silk striped and fancy velvets at 35 cents. Additional promos list Poets, suites to order at Pitcairn's 434 Wood St and gold and silver items at Hea 205 Fifth Ave.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Whitmyre & Co
Thirty-eighth Street and
Allegheny Valley Railroad
Rosalia
India
Mwesu Houeys & Hacke
Pitcairn’s
Wood St
McLane's Liver Pills Ad Claimed Effective by Readers
Helena Montana 1888 advertisement from Eieahis Bros. letters praise Dr. C McLane's Celebrated Liver Pills for biliousness constipation and general ailments. Mrs Henry Winkleman attests relief after use and warns against imitations, urging readers to buy Fleming Bros Pittsburgh packs.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Eieahis
Hood
Fleming Bros
Pittsburg
Fresh selection of marked down dress goods offered today
We note a large four day sale but claim sales equal to last week were surpassed. The Me table presents different lines providing fresh value in all wood tones for yard goods, including wool and double width materials, with durable serviceability and desirable styles.
Silk Department Adds Printed Jersey Silks Sale
In our silk department this day we offer Printed Jersey Silks in choice colorings and new styles at Tecs yard. The fabrics have more body and weight and will give better service than low priced India Silke. More bargains await in Plushes and Fancy Brocade Velvets.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Técs
Prices Slashed on Seal Plush Garments and Winter Stock
Our cloak room lists revised prices on Seal Plush Coats and garments from jackets to Newmarkets. Superfine seal plush coats at five dollars set the standard, with lower grades at twenty to twenty five dollars. Cloth Ulsters Raglans and Newmarkets highlight new materials and colors. Curtain room offers include superfine parlor and library curtains and a wide range of lower quality pieces.
Also Mentioned on This Page
Armstrong Monument
Lake Lancean
Temperance
Women's Temperance Meeting
Monthly Meeting of
Allegheny County Union
St. Jackson's
Bankin
NEW Order
M. W. Doyle
Tom Barry
Knights of Labor Hall
L. A. 108
K. of L
T. J. Wallace
Order
Bakers’ Association
Labor Notes
Fathers OF Education
Manufacturer
Mom
Northside
Common Council
East End
Derwear
T. T. Tead
Thompson Brothers
Federal Street
MO. A. Renshaw ,Co. Liberty and
Ninth Ste
Almeria
Ford
Panly” Cieers
Deli-Wa
Great Western Railways
Westinghouse Building
Washington City
Bexch
Davidson's Gunstore
Ohio St
Ax Klein
Federal St
William Littell
James Bown & Son
Smithfield St
W. S. Brown
Louis Ruple
Geo. Wills
Johnson's Gun Store
Howard Hartley
C. B. Elben
Secy
P. O
Floors
G. D. Simon's
Ohio Street
Hauch’s
Wfsu
Court House
United States Electric Light Company
Edison Companies
United States
McWilliams
Mercer
Serge
wSu
Ola
Hea ‘A
Fifth Ave
Montana
M. T. Jax
Horne & CO
Penn Avenue Stores
Zeca
Orings
Jersey
Newmarkets
Lans
FUR Department
Alaska
Jos. Horne
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