New Castle Choral and Glee Societies to Perform
The New Castle Choral Society and New Castle Glee Society will perform Sunday at 3 PM in the First M E Church with soloists and accompanying artists. The Glee Society recently won a $500 Akron contest, directed by David West with Edwin Lewis and Mrs. Evan Lewis providing piano. A silver offering will be collected.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
New Castle
M. E
New Castle Choral Society
New Castle Glee Society
Akron
David West
D. Duff Scott
Edwin Lewis
Schirmer
Joseph Parry
Evan Lewis
Greta Vllens
Ee Messiah
Griffith Thomas
Atlas
George Anthony
Harry Evans
The
Lamb
D. Duff
Scott
Howard Meehan
Blodwin
Myfanwy Lewis
Toente
Cyril Scott B. le Papellom
Labelle
Local Girls Graduate at Indiana Normal
New Castle is well represented at the Commencement exercises of Indiana State Normal school in session. Graduates include Pearl Ewens Art Course Anna Shifman regular course Ida Plant regular course Margaret Ramsey regular course Anna Rice home economics course Margaret Wright regular course Hester Manewal regular course and Madelin Craig formerly of New Castle now of Pittsburgh regular course. New Castle girls at Indiana total 12 with Juniors Ruth Sallade vice president Sara Rice YWCA cabinet officer and Lillian Andrews Lyric club member.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
New Castle
Indiana State Normal School
Pearl Ewens
Anna Shifman
Ida Plant
Margaret Ramsey
Anna Rice
Margaret Wright
Hester Manewal
Madelin Craig
Pittsburgh
Indiana
Ruth Sallade
Sara Rice
Lillian Andrews
Lyric Club
D W T Club Guests At Mrs Sadler Home
D W T club members visited Mrs. Maurice Sadler on Laurel boulevard for an informal evening of sewing and music. Roses decorated the home and refreshments were served. Mrs. Mack Wiles of Butler road to entertain in two weeks.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
D. W. T. Club
Maurice Sadler
Laurel Boulevard
Mack Wiles
Butler Road
Dancing Park Plan Sunday at Ma Hone Park
Event notes indicate a Sunday dancing plan at Ma Hone Park in Warren, Oklahoma. Times listed are 8, 9, and 10. Local organizers promote a community gathering with music and social dancing.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Mahoning Park
Warren
Afternoon Tea for Mrs Livingston Hunter in Lawrence
Mrs. George Grant Stitzinger hosted a Lawrence Chapter D A R tea Friday honoring Mrs. Livingston L. Hunter treasurer general of the national society. Guests in the receiving line included Mrs. Hunter and local dignitaries. color pink and green decor featured pink roses and gladiolas while performances by Rolland Lee Spade and musicians from Butler and Meadville completed the afternoon.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
George Grant Stitzinger
Lincoln Avenue
Lawrence
The
Daughters of the American Revolution
Livingston L. Hunter
National Society
Stitzinger
Hunter
James T. Ray
Thomas Phillips, Jr
Butler
Ira Snead
Freedom
Cora Watson Fell
Tionesta
Dorothy Hunter
Tidioute
Grace Phillips Johnson
W. Perry
Wayne Stitzinger
Leone Stitzinger
Richard Bard
Rolland Lee Spade
Grand Opera
Thos. Phillips, Jr
H. W. Minium
Meadville
Fred McArthur
Miss Schaffner to Wed Western Man
At a Butler party Miss Josephine Schaffner announced her engagement to Lawrence Joseph O Connor of Tulsa Oklahoma. The couple will marry on Wednesday morning June 28 at St Peter's church. They will spend the summer in Butler then move to Tulsa.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Marie Schaffner
Butler
Club
Josephine Schaffner
Lawrence Joseph O’connor
Tulsa
Oklahoma
M. J. Donnelly
St. Peter’s Church
Informal Dinner Honors Miss Druschell at Fountain Inn
Miss Essel Druschell, bound for an extended visit in Denver Colorado, was honor guest at an informal dinner hosted Friday by the O B F Club at the Fountain Inn. Tables for 14 had red roses as centerpieces and Miss Olive Griffiths attended as sole special guest. A theatre party followed the dinner. On June 15 club members will dine with Mrs Paul McCandless on North street.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Essel Druschell
Denver
Colorado
Fountain Inn
Olive Griffiths
Paul McCandless
North Street
Dinner party marks twenty fifth wedding anniversary
Mr and Mrs C Coulthard celebrated their twenty fifth wedding anniversary with a six o clock dinner party at their Morton street home. Twenty guests were served with pink and white decorations and a pink white color scheme. Mrs R F Milliken assisted in serving and the evening passed informally.
Miss Clara Frye and Raymond Hawk Wed in Central Christian Ceremony
Miss Clara Frye and Raymond Hawk were married Friday at 3 p m in the Central Christian church parsonage. Rev. D P Shafer read the ceremony. They will reside on Sycamore street. A 5 pm dinner for 16 was held at the Frye home with roses on the table. Attendants were none. The bride is the Frye daughter. the groom is the Hawks son. Out of town guest Mr and Mrs Fred Snyder and children from Warren Ohio attended.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Clara Frye
Raymond Hawk
Central Christian Church
D. P. Shafer
Francis Frye
Sycamore Street
Clarence Frye
Snyder
Fred Snyder
Warren
Ohio
Hawk
George Hawk
Hamilton Street
Evelyn Phillips Hosts M A M Girls Gathering
Miss Evelyn Phillips entertained the M A M girls Friday at her Sutton street home. Mrs. David Anthony of Farrell attended as the sole out of town guest. Informal diversions followed by refreshments prepared by the hostess with Mrs Anthony assisting. Miss Hannah Richards of Waldo street will entertain in two weeks.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Evelyn Phillips
Sutton Street
David Anthony
Farrell
Anthony
Hannah Richards
Waldo Street
Unexpected Club Holds Dinner at Country Club
Members of the Unexpected Club plan a Monday dinner at the Country Club. The event invites participation from club members and guests, with details about timing and venue noted for attendees.
Apollo Club Concert Pleases Audience in City
The Apollo club of the city presented its first concert since formation, drawing a large crowd at Third United Presbyterian church. Directed by Richard E. Johns, the group delivered an exceptional performance, surpassing even the old Apollo club. One monthly rehearsal will occur this summer, with the next on Tuesday evening, June 27, and weekly rehearsals resuming in September.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Apollo Club
Third United Presbyterian Church
Richard E. Johns
Social events honor Miss Doris Shumway
This morning in Cascade park at 7 o clock breakfast was given in her honor as Miss Doris Shumway leaves Monday for Reedsville Ohio. Thirteen guests attended with pink and red roses decorating. Names present included Mable Scott Betty Robison Mary Klaber Betty Reider Anita Thomas Alice Carpenter Mary Logan Belle Cox Pearl Fleming Margaret Rech Agnes Rech Mrs Clyde Emerick and Alma. Friday evening a 6 o clock dinner at Grove street hosted by Margaret and Agness Rech honored Miss Shumway with nine guests and roses for decor followed by music and informal diversions.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Cascade Park
Doris Shumway
Reedsville
Ohio
Mable Scott
Betty Robison
Mary Klaber
Betty Reider
Anita Thomas
Alice Carpenter
Mary Logan
Belle Cox
Pearl Fleming
Margaret Rech
Agnes Rech
Clyde Emerick
Alma
Shumway
Margaret and
Agness Rech
Grove Street
Visitors Honored at Cascade Park Parties
Miss Alice Benz of New York City and Miss Lucille Page of Cleveland were honored guests at a Friday breakfast at Cascade Park hosted by Mrs. K G Woods. Ten guests were served. park amusements and photos provided entertainment. A noon luncheon followed at Mrs Woods home on Pearson Street with roses as a centerpiece. More obligations are planned for the visitors later in the week.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Alice Benz
New York City
Lucille Page
Cleveland
Cascade Park
K. G. Woods
Miss Naomi Williams Feted At Six O Clock Dinner
Thirty members of the Croton M E booster class hosted a six o clock dinner at Cascade Park on Friday honoring Miss Naomi Williams of Croton avenue who leaves June 20 for an extended visit in Los Angeles California. The color scheme was pink and white with pink roses on tables. Evening amusements followed. Miss Jessie Morrow, Mrs Charles Allen and Mrs Clarence Pyle organized the event.
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Croton
Moonlight Supper Honors Butler Visitors At Park
In honor of Edith McGuire and Bernice Eddy, visitors from Butler, a moonlight supper was hosted at the park Friday. Local youths in attendance included Diana Preston Eleanor Ward Ethel Ward Marie Wooley Elsie Wooley Grace Love Martha Grinder Ruth McKee and others with Mr and Mrs Ray Hall and several young men also listed.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Edith McGuire
Bernice Eddy
Butler
the Park
Diana Preston
Eleanor and
Ethel Ward
Marie
Elsie Wooley
Grace Love
Martha Grinder
Ruth McKee
Helen Hanna
Ray Hall
David Ballard
Elmer Swartzlander
Wallace Sweet
Carl Anderson
Kenneth Irwin
Bill Brooks
Bill Weigle
Frank Wigton
David Engle
Jack Keterer
Book Club Social at Mrs Urmson's Home in 1914
Mrs Harry Urmson of Berger Place hosted the 1914 Book Club gathering Friday with only visitor Mrs Jordan of Mars. Members exchanged books and sewed during the social period. Refreshments were served by Miss Cornman and Mrs Russell Urmson. Next Friday they visit Mrs Frank Fischer on Park Avenue.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Harry Urmson
Berger Place
Jordan of Mars
Cornman
Russell Urmson
Frank Fischer
Park Avenue
Miss Adelaide Vanderbolt Engaged to Dr Dreidling
At a card party in Youngstown Miss Adelaide Vanderbolt announced her engagement to Dr D J Dreidling of Kansas City now connected with St Elizabeths hospital in Youngstown. No wedding date is set. She is Fire Chief Vanderbolt's daughter and has nursing service during the war with Base Hospital No 31 overseas.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Parmalee Avenue
Youngstown
Adelaide Vanderbolt
D. J. Dreidling
Kansas City
St. Elizabeth’s Hospital
Vanderbolt
Sharon
No. 31
Mrs Vesta King Guest At Kensington Club Meeting
Mrs Vesta King was the only special guest at the E T W Kensington club gathering held Friday at Mrs Cc H Milholland’s Delaware avenue home. Sewing and music followed by refreshments. Hostess daughters Marjorie and Elizabeth assisted. Flowers decorated the rooms. The group plans to meet June 29 at Mrs W J Mitchell’s Wildwood avenue home.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Vesta King
E. T. W. Kensington
Cc. H. Milholland
Delaware Avenue
Marjorie
Elizabeth
W. J. Mitchell
Wildwood Avenue
N H B Kensington Hostesses Tea With Guests
N H B Kensington and Miss Mary Junod of Jersey Shore along with Miss Pearl Johnson were special guests at a Friday meeting hosted by Mrs. E A Stone on Garfield Avenue. The gathering featured spring flowers, music, sewing, and refreshments served with Miss Johnson assisting.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Alice Benz
New York City
Mary Junod
Jersey Shore
Pearl Johnson
N. H. B. Kensington
E. A. Stone
Garfield Avenue
Miss Johnson
Trustees of Welsh Club Host Women’s Welsh Club Meeting
Mrs Evan Hopkins on Sheridan Avenue welcomed the trustees of the Women’s Welsh Club Friday evening at her home for a business meeting.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Evan Hopkins
Sheridan Avenue
Women's Welsh Club
Meeting Plans Set for Warren Convention
Plans for the convention to be held in Warren later this month are finished. Informal diversions were enjoyed and refreshments served. Hostess assisted by her daughters Edna and Elizabeth. On July 6 Mrs. John Evans will entertain at her South Mill Street home.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Warren
Edna
Elizabeth
John Evans
South Mill Street
Birthday Party Honors Mrs. Mabel Anderson
Mrs. William Anderson hosted an informal birthday party Friday at her Monroe street home. Guests included Helen Holsinger, Bertha Ward, Gala Householder, Margaret Morgan, Clara Anderson, Leonard Perry, Arthur Carpenter, Frank Lowash, William McIntosh, and Leroy Davis. Roses and a pink white color theme centered on a large birthday cake with refreshments served by the hostess and Mrs. E W Pettigrew.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
William Anderson
Monroe Street
Mabel
E. W. Pettigrew
Helen Holsinger
Bertha Ward
Gala Householder
Margaret Morgan
Clara Anderson
Leonard Perry
Arthur Carpenter
Frank Lowash
William McIntosh
Leroy Davis
1917 Nurse Class Reunites at Cascade Park Picnic
Members of the 1917 class of Shenango Hospital Training School for Nurses held their annual reunion at Cascade Park. They met at 2:30 pm and shared old times, then enjoyed a six o'clock picnic supper in the grove. Attendees included Belle Irwin, Ina Blevina, and several local and naval nurses.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Shenango Hospital
Diamond hosts S W Club Euchre Night at East Washington
Mr and Mrs S W Diamond entertained the S W club at their East Washington street home Friday evening. Euchre was played at five tables with several prizes awarded. Lunch was served by the hostess and her daughters Elizabeth and Lillian. In two weeks Mr and Mrs B G Parshall will entertain at their Pine street home.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
S. W. Diamond
S. W. Club
East Washington Street
Elizabeth
Lillian
B. G. Parshall
Pine Street
Mrs Lillie B Davis Undergoes Major Operation
A report from Oaktown New Jersey states Mrs Lillie B Davis daughter of Mr and Mrs John Griffith East Washington street underwent a serious operation at Samaritan hospital Philadelphia on Thursday and is improving as circumstances permit Mrs Griffith and her daughter Mrs Rachel Welsh Ambridge remain at the bedside assisting.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lillie B. Davis
Oaktown
N. J
John Griffith
East Washington Street
Samaritan Hospital
Philadelphia
Mrs Travers Hosts 1902 Club Evening in Honor of Mrs Henry
Mrs J B Travers entertained the 1902 club Friday night for Mrs Frank Henry of Bellevue. Roses adorned the rooms as guests enjoyed informal socializing and a 590 game. Two tables were in play and refreshments were served.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
J. B. Travers
Frank Henry
Bellevue
Social Evening With Edna Smith Hosts Partners
Eighteen people gathered at Miss Edna Smiths Morton street home and drove to Rose Point for an evening with Mr. and Mrs. Stewart Stoner. They enjoyed games music and dancing and were served refreshments by Misses Anna Brinton and Edna Smith.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Edna Smith
Morton Street
Rose Point
Stewart Stoner
Anna Brinton
Monday's Clubs and Social Hours in 1906 listings
Club events dated 06 include Mrs J W Book on Ne Shannock Avenue and N T B Club with Mrs Oscar Shaeffer on Carlisle Street. Also Unexpected Club at Country Club, L T Club with Mrs Ed Roberts on Oak Street, and Social Hour Club headed by Mrs Wilbur Jones on East Washington Street.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
J. W. Book
Neshannock Avenue
Oscar Shaeffer
Carlisle Street
L. T
Ed. Roberts
Oak Street
Wilbur Jones
East Washington Street
Final federation lecture course committee meeting set
The final meeting of the federation lecture course committee will be held Monday at 2 PM in the YWCA. Tickets for the season course will be distributed then and every club should send a representative.
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Federation
Out of Town Visitors Honored at Dinner
Mrs. S. W. Perry Mrs. Grace Phillips Johnson and Mrs. James T. Ray hosted a dinner at the Country Club Friday honoring Mrs. G. G. Stitzinger and her house guests and reception aides for Mrs. Livingston L. Hunter of Tidioute. The guest list included 16 at two beautifully flowered tables.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
S. W. Perry
Grace Phillips Johnson
James T. Ray
Country Club
G. G. Stitzinger
Club Luncheons Begin Thursday at Country Club
The first of a summer series for Country Club ladies will be held at the Club House on Thursday June eighth. Mrs. C. J. Kirk and Mrs. Robert Garland head the committee. Lunch is at one o'clock, followed by bridge and Five Hundred in the afternoon.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Country Club
C. J. Kirk
Robert Garland
Weekend Guests and Visits Span Cleveland to Pittsburgh
Local notices list Miss Gladys Williams of Cleveland visiting relatives here while Miss Belle Irwin from Brooklyn tours the area. Other travelers include Mrs. Egleson of Park Avenue in Sandusky and Mr. and Mrs. Snyder of Warren with children. Numerous residents entertain relatives from Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Butler, Mercer, and Indianapolis for summer breaks.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Gladys Williams
Cleveland
Belle Irwin
Brooklyn
Naval Base Hospital
George Egleson
Park Avenue
Sandusky
Ohio
Snyder
Warren
James Timmis
Akron
Mary
Dorothy Kelley
Pittsburgh
Dr. C. McKee
Pasadena
California
F. D. Taylor
Dewey Avenue
Jordan
Mars
W. L. Beal
Leasure Avenue
James W. German
Richmond
Ind
J. F. Haney
Lincoln Avenue
Bernice Eddy
Edith McQuire
Butler
Elsie Wooley
Dickson Street
Ruth Schorndorfer
Youngstown
Margaret Graham
Blaine Street
Luncheon for Girls Club at Mrs George Long’s Home
A Friday luncheon hosted by Mrs. George Long on East Falls Street drew Girls Club members. A basket of flowers served as centerpiece and the afternoon featured formal diversions and social activities.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
George Long
East Falls Street
Book club picnic luncheon at Cascade park
Covers were laid for 10 guests at a 1 o'clock picnic luncheon given Friday by the members of the Book club at Cascade park. The afternoon hours were spent informally at the park.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Book Club
Cascade Park
Boyd Family Reunion at Milburn Grange Hall
The descendants of Robert and Sarah Patterson Boyd will hold their annual reunion at Milburn Grange hall near Milburn station on Thursday June 8. All family members are cordially invited to attend.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Robert
Sarah Patterson Boyd
Milburn Grange Hall
Milburn Station
Prioletti to intern at St Elizabeth's Hospital
John P. Prioletti of 1218 Croton Avenue departs Monday to join Youngstown as an intern at St Elizabeth's Hospital for the summer months.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
John P. Prioletti
Croton Avenue
Youngstown
St. Elizabeth’s Hospital
Local residents attend McKee and McKinley school events
Chicora residents returned home after visiting Mr. and Mrs. John A. McKee on East Grant Street where they attended the commencement exercises. Miss Geraldine Lewis of Neshamock Avenue is spending the weekend in Niles with Miss Evelyn Erb and attended the McKinley high school commencement last evening.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Catherine Brown
Pittsburgh
Eleanor McKee
East Grant Street
David Perry
Princeton University
Chicora
John A. McKee
Geraldine Lewis
Neshannock Avenue
Niles
Evelyn Erb
McKinley High School
A. O. H. Auxiliary Sets Meeting on June 5
The Ladies' Auxiliary of the A. O. H. will report committee returns including the Euchre ticket sale at their meeting in the K. of C. Home on North Jefferson Street Monday evening June 5 at eight o clock. Other lodge business will be addressed.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Ladies’ Auxiliary
K. of C
North
Jefferson Street
Mrs Herbert Samuels Hosts Minerva Club Meeting
Mrs Herbert Samuels of Carlisle Street will entertain Minerva club members Friday evening at her home, hosting a social gathering with members expected to attend.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Herbert Samuels
Carlisle Street
Minerva Club
Mrs Oscar Shaffer Hosts N T B Club Gathering
Mrs. Oscar Shaffer of 705 Carlisle Street will entertain the N T B club members Monday evening at her home with a social gathering and refreshments.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Oscar Shaffer
Carlisle Street
N. T. B. Club
Miller Family Reunion Set for June 15 at Cascade
The 12th annual Miller family reunion will be held on Thursday June 15 at Cascade. Family members are urged to attend and participate in the planned activities and gatherings.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Miller
Cascade Park
Lily of the Valley Club Plans Park Picnic
Members of the Lily of the Valley club will meet for a park picnic on Tuesday July 11.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lily of the Valley Club
Epworth church circle hosts Friday evening gathering
Members of the Weaver circle of the Epworth Methodist Episcopal church were entertained Friday evening at Miss Ethel Wylie’s Winter avenue home. Miss Margaret Sherbine led the meeting with a study from A Million and One. Mrs. W. J. Marshall supervised Africa discussions with Misses Ethel Johnson and Ruth Weitz. musical selections by Ruth Kennedy and Anna Mae Streib.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Epworth Methodist Episcopal Church
Ethel Wylie
Winter Avenue
James Day
Edgar Sherbine
Margaret Sherbine
W. J. Marshall
Africa
Ethel Johnson
Ruth Weitz
Ruth Kennedy
Anna Mae Streib
Gleaners Missionary Society Dinner and Meeting
The Gleaners Missionary Society will hold a tureen dinner in the church Monday at 6 30 PM followed by a business meeting. On Tuesday evening at 7 30 PM the Macedonian circle will hold their...
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Gleaners Missionary Society
Regular church meeting for Women’s Missionary Society
Kate A Hill girls hold a regular monthly gathering in the church Tuesday evening at 7 30. The Women’s Missionary Society meets in the church Wednesday afternoon at 2 30.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Kate A. Hill
Women's Missionary Society
Bible class hosts gather for meeting at Mrs Elmore’s home
Mrs James Elmore and Mrs May Curry will host the members of Mrs E N Baer’s Bible class from the First Methodist Episcopal church on Monday evening June 5 at Mrs Elmore’s home on West State Street. A regular business session and social hour will follow.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
James Elmore
May Curry
E. N. Baer
First Methodist Episcopal Church
Reception in Clen Dinin building for infirmed attendees
Sunday evening at 7 30 in the I O B B Sunday wood room in the Clen dinin building a reception will be given for the infirmed at the afternoon large attendance of shives will be present to confirmants.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Clendinin
Penn Theatre Ladies Matinee Offers Special Bargain
The Penn theatre announces a Monday afternoon matinee for ladies only from one to six o'clock. The feature is the photo play Woman, Wake Up starring Florence Vidor with Prizma Master Colored pictures and a good comedy. Music by Thomas Webber. Admission 20 cents for ladies.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Penn Theatre
Florence Vidor
Thomas Webber
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Indiana Normal
Etzler’s Store News
Citizen
Bell
East Washington
Kodaks
Kodak
Eastman
OUR Service
W. J. Offutt Co
Metzler
Mrs. Livingston Hunter
Miss Schaffner
Miss Druschell
M. A. M. Girls
Marinello
Beauty
North Mill Street
Marinnello
Miss Williams
Ss. W. Club
Brown
Hamilton
Toledo
Martha Jones
Robert Adams
W. H. Hunter
Bellaire
Dufford
Wf, Dufford & CO
Washington Street
A. O. H. Auxiliary
Weaver Circle
U. P
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