Wall Street Opens With Declines Then Rises On Relief
New York February 11 opening showed declines extending to 14 in Canadian Pacific and Anaconda. After room traders sold early, it became clear the market had hardened yet relief emerged that supply at current quotations would move without trouble. Government bonds steady, others firm. Strength persisted after the first hour with gains across most issues.
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New York
Canadian Pacific
Anaconda
East Buffalo Livestock Prices Hold Steady in Mixed Trade
Cattle receipts 4250 steady with prime steers $5.90 to $6.00 and heifers $4.15 to $8.25. Sheep receipts 20000 slow with choice lambs $7.65 to $7.75 and yearlings $6.59. Hogs receipts 14490 lower with Yorkers and heavies $7.40 to $7.4 and pigs $7.5 to $7.90.
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East Buffalo
N. Y
Y M C A Campaign Raises 410555 for New Home in Indianapolis
Citizens committees of ten visited generous donors and contributed toward a goal of 250000 for a new Y M C A home. The 410555 total reported at 1 pm included key subs committee sums and encouraged leadership as canvassing began in earnest Monday.
Government moves on blind tiger bill passed by house
The house approved the blind tiger bill 72 to 21 after Senate passage. It now goes to the governor, who urged the measure in his message. The Anti Saloon League pressured Gov Hanly to back the bill over a high license option, targeting stores selling liquor by the drink.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Senate
Anti-Saloon League
Hanly
Étug
Livestock Receipts Tally as Hog Market Slips in Indianapolis
Indianapolis February 11 hogs 2,500 cattle 500 sheep light trade. Hog market weak with top at 7.20 and most sales 7.10 to 7.20. Cattle easier with small supply, demand weak for common stock. prime stock in strong demand. Sheep and lambs sold promptly at steady prices. Also quoted are steer, heifer, cow, veal calf, and bull prices across weight classes.
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Indianapolis
Cattle and hog receipts in St. Louis market report
Cattle receipts total about 5,300 with prices for beef steers 6.75 to 8.56, stockers and feeders 2.50 to 4.75, cows and heifers 2.50 to 5.25, Texas steer 5.50, and Texas cows 2.50 to 5.50. Hog receipts about 8,500 steady with pigs 6.40 to 7.05 and packers 6.66 to 7.05. Sheep receipts around 3,000 steady with natives 2.50 to 5.50 and lambs 4.50 to 7.50.
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Scripps-McRae Press 4 Association
St. Louis
Texas
Cincinnati Market Reports for February 11 Novelty
Castle-Re ceipts were steady with butchers steers at 4.65 to 5.15 for good to choice and calves at 8.50. Hogs receipts 6463 lower at 7.17 to 7.20 for good to choice and mixed packers at 7.10. Sheep receipts 500 steady with extras at 5.25 to 5.75 and lambs at 7.75 to 7.90.
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Cincinnati
Chicago live stock market report summary
Chicago cattle receipts around 32 000 with declines 10 to 15 cents. Prime beef sold 5.75 to 6.90, cows and heifers 2.75 to 5.15, stockers 2.70 to 4.60. Hogs receipts about 51 000 with prices 6.85 to 7.10 for lights, 7.00 to 7.10 for mixed, 6.60 to 7.14 for heavies. Sheep receipts 37 000 with native sheep 3.40 to 5.00 and native lambs 4.75 to 7.15.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Scripps-McRae Breas Association
Chicago
Chicago Produce Prices From February 11 Report
Chicago market items include Eggs Extras at 28 1 2 cents per dozen, Butter extra in creameries at 21 1 2 cents per pound, Cheese Twins at 18 1 2 cents, Live poultry with turkeys 2 cents and chickens 1 1 4 cents, spring geese per dozen from five to seven fifty dollars.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Chicago
Scripps-McRae Press Association
Ile
New York Produce Prices Report
New York Feb 11 price listing from Scripps-McRae Press Association. Pork-Mess at 18.50 19.25 dollars per unit, Lard-Western steam spot 10.15 10.2 percent, Tallow-City 6 7 cents, Butter-Creamery extra 38 2 33 cents, state dairy rules 28 29 cents. Egg receipts 7,456, nearby white fancy 30 cents, western 7 cents, Cheese Full cream 14 4 cents.
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New York
Western Steam
Country
Western
Grain and hay market report with mixed prices and carloads
A detailed ledger lists Wheat Corn and Oats firm prices by grade such as No 2 red No 3 white and No 2 mixed with through billing and various c values. Hay and straw quotes cover timothy clover prairie rye and wheat straw with car totals and sale notes across multiple grades.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Chaice Timothy
Timothy
Chicago grain prices ease as trade volume rises
Chicago Feb 11 Scripps-Machine press reports wheat trade volume up while prices ease. May wheat 80 80 8c, July 80 79 9c. Corn down about 1 1 2 cents May 41 46 ½ c, July 46 54 464 c. Oats unsettled May 41 41 14 c, July 37 ¾ c. Provisions lower with hogs May pork 17 92 14 17 87 1/4 c, lard 10 21 1/2, ribs 9 75. Local receipts wheat 21 cars, corn 38 cars, oats 265 cars. May wheat closed 80 4 3/4 c, July 79 3/4 c. May corn 46 3/4 c, July 36 3/4 c, No 3 yellow 42 1/2 42 4 16 c. May oats closed at die 375 c, No 2 white 41 16 9 4144 c.
Edison Now Sixty and He Will Play
Thomas A Edison, at age 60 today, says he will end the commercial phase of his work and devote himself to laboratory electrical experiments. He plans to review years of notes and pursue discoveries for fun and further study, promising himself a long promised leisure in science.
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Edison
Allen Edison
Eidison
Husson
Securities trading lifts lively bids on several issues
Speculative interest spurred a lively session at the exchange with small block sales across issues. Prices included Indianapolis Street Rail Way at 3164, Belt Railroad preferred at 03, Union Traction common at 3514, WW Indiana Union Traction at 244, and RAM & W 5 per cent bond at 86. Vandalia Coal common dropped to the lowest official bid price ever recorded. General list changes were mostly fractional with no clear trend.
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Reyal Stock Exchange
Indianapolis Street
Rail Way
Belt Railroad
Union Traction Common
Indiana Union Traction
RAM. & W
Vandalia Coal
Pioneer Marion County settler John C Hoss dies aged 80
John C Hoss a Marion County pioneer and longtime Indianapolis real estate man died Sunday night at his son J J Hoss 173 Brookside Ave aged 80 years five months He came to the area in 1832 and witnessed Indianapolis grow from a village to a city Surviving are two brothers two sisters and a daughter in law Interment at Crown Hill after funeral at his son’s home scheduled for Wednesday morning
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J. J. Hoss
Brookside Ave
Indianapolis
FE. Hoss
Koakomo
Ind
Margaret Hughes
Louisiana
Katherine Bowers
Kansas
Hoss
Crown
Hadley in Finance Opens State Office with Cash Show
Hadley the new state treasurer stood knee deep in one million two hundred twenty nine thousand dollars as he and retiring treasurer Nat Hill counted the funds. The balance was said to be exact. Hadley, 49, opened boxes of cigars and apples for visitors before starting daily duties, with deputy A C Alexander noted as a banker and publisher.
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Hadley
Nat A. Hill
Mr. Hadley
A. C. Alexander
Marion
Choked Victim Suspect Nabbed in Columbus Robbery
Charles Tucker was arrested in Columbus Indiana by the sheriff after being identified as the man who robbed James Hindsley of a gold watch and nine dollars. Police in Indianapolis believe he is wanted for a similar robbery here. Tucker, 19, previously served a Jeffersonville sentence and was released on parole last July. He used the alias Turner and had robbed W. E. Hull in this city. He is said to have tied saloon-goers and choked Hindsley en route to a friend’s home in Garden City. He fled detectives here after a confrontation Sunday and had been seen in Indianapolis Saturday.
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Charles Tucker
Columbus
Ind
James Hindsley
Tucker
Turner
W. E. Hull
Hull
Morgan and
Kinney
Hindsley
Garden City
Indianapolis
Jeffersonville
Bar Paid Tribute To Late Smiley N Chambers
The Marion County Bar Association met in the United States courthouse room at the Federal building Monday to hold services in memory of Smiley N. Chambers. A committee drew resolutions and they were adopted. Speeches were made by W. H. H. Miller Addison C. Harris John B. Duncan W. A. Ketcham and John B Cockrum. A large attendance of bar members was present.
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United States
Federal Building
Smiley N. Chambers
W. H. H. Miller
Addison C. Harris
John 8. Duncan
W. A. Ketcham
John B. Cockrum
Indianapolis police seek relatives of man who died in Allegheny
Police in Indianapolis are asked to locate relatives of Robert Hamilton who Friday committed death by own action in Allegheny Pennsylvania by swallowing carbolic acid. Hamilton was born on Noblz street in this city and is believed to have an aunt living here.
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Indianapolis
Robert Hamilton
Allegheny
Hamilton
States
Noblzst
Barber Shop Robbed on Massachusetts Avenue
McLaughlin's barber shop at 539 Massachusetts Ave was robbed Sunday night with $1 and four razors taken. Thieves entered via a rear door. Nearby resident 3S Reiley at 2026 N Capitol Ave awoke Monday to see a man crouching on a rear roof. the intruder climbed down as Bailey alerted police. Police were called to the scene.
Danes Heard From Home In Indianapolis Recital
Oda Nielson sang Danish love songs in Danish to an enthusiastic Indianapolis audience at Columbia hall Sunday night. She and accompanist Skyespiller Willumsen wore smiles as the home people called for more, and both wore out by the end. Miss Nielson hails from the Royal theater of Denmark.
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Oda Nielson
Indianapolis
Columbia Hall
Skyespiller Willumsen
Miss Nielson
Royal Theater of Demark
Heroic boy dies horse saved in runaway incident
William Messimer a 14 year old Sel Chadwick Sr. tackled a runaway bakery wagon horse near Capitol and Nentuchy avenues. He steadied the frightened animal after several squares, but the horse fell dead in the street. The wagon belonged to James Johnson of 116 South West Street. Johnson had bought the animal two weeks earlier for 3125.
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William Messimer
Sel Chadwick Sr
James Johnson
S. West St
Jonnysen
Mr. Johnson
Died as he arose Andrew Van Yengerhouse at 7
Seven year old Andrew Van Yengerhouse died after heart trouble caused heart failure as he arose from bed at 0 10 Monday. Coroner summoned. He lived at 33 W Twelfth street. Tuesday marks the 48th wedding anniversary of Mr and Mrs Andrew Van Yengerhouse. Immigrants from Holland 24 years ago. Survived by two daughters and one son. Son lives in Pennsylvania.
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Andrew van Yengerhouse
Twelfth-st
America
Holland
Pennsylvania
Thaw Trial Under Court Ruling Blocks Conversation
The Thaw trial features a ruling forbidding any conversation during the session. Witnesses say the core events cannot be described under the constraints. Defense and prosecution clash over evidence, including Evelyn Nesbit Thaw’s testimony, while bench rules limit courtroom access for women except six reporters. There is anticipation of strategy battles as both sides plan to present contested evidence on Thaw and Stanford White. The court also contemplates press restrictions under postal laws, with postmasters to review reports for obscenity.
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Jerome
Egg York
Bolemia
Iarry IK
Thaw
White
Stanford White
Criminal Court
Warned New York Papers Over Obscene Thaw Trial Coverage
United States District Attorney Simpson warned all New York newspapers that any printing obscene material about the Thaw case would be prosecuted under federal statutes. He acted independently of President Roosevelt and did not know the postmaster general had been ordered to bar newspapers with objectionable reports.
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New York
Simpson
Setion
Tigosevelt
Mills
Mrs White Prostrated By Evelyn Thaw Testimony
Mrs Stanford White widow of the New York architect and mother of Lawrence White at nearby Merrimac College is said to be prostrated by Evelyn Thaw’s witness stand statements. Neighbors report she is in bed and not receiving visitors after the sensational testimony. her son has returned from New York and remains at home as he contemplates finishing his course.
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Bueton
Evelyn Whaw
New York
Barrymore Located in Maine for Health Rest
Barrymore the actor has taken rooms at Mansion house in Poland Springs Maine on doctor advice for quiet rest and good air. He resists being a witness in the Thaw case and declines to confirm or deny Mrs Evelyn Thawe’s testimony about proposals of marriage. He expresses annoyance at the notoriety and will not voluntarily testify.
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Barrymore
Mansion House
Trial Will Cause Reform, Judge Warns
Chicago municipal court Judge Newcomer told a church congregation that cases like the Thaw episode occur in the city without murder and urged two reforms. He urged mothers to monitor daughters nearing womanhood and warned against money blindness sweeping the country, noting publicity could spur reform.
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Chicago
Standford White
Newcomer
Sas
Fire creates blast at Illinois Steel plant shanty
In South Chicago two workers were seriously injured and one near death after an explosion in a shanty beside Illinois Steel company. A man poured alcohol on burning timbers in a stove igniting a fire that spread to three workers, injuring Eugene Fullers Stephen Thomas and leg waserk.
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Scripps-McRae Press Association
Chicago
Illinois Steel Company
Eugene Fullers
Stephen Thomas
Leg Waserk
Babcock Insurance Bill Delayed In House
The Babcock insurance bill will not reach a second reading before Friday or Saturday this week as Representative John H Edwards push to defer seven days counts from the printing date. Delays threaten passage in its current form and filibuster talk circulates in the House.
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Babcock
John H. Edwards
Busse Announces Candidacy For Chicago Mayor
Chicago February 11 Postmaster Fred A Busse told a committee of business men he will seek the Republican mayoralty nomination at the party convention. His nomination as harmony Republican candidate is practically assured.
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Scripps-McRae Press Association
Chicago
Fred A. Busse
Buse
Cattle and Hog Market Prices From Pittsburgh
In Pittsburgh Pa cattle receipts reach 130 head with steady market. Prime hogs bring 7.30 to 7.50 with good stock at 7.15. Sheep supplies numbered 1600 with prime wethers about 5.50 to 5.70 and lambs near 5.00 to 5.75.
Wagon Market Prices Reported in Historical Grain Sale
The listing shows corn prices at 45 to 48e, oats for barley, and various hay types with Timothy and clover priced per unit. Oats and straw figures are scattered, with damaged OCR causing unclear entries but indicating market quotes and bundle values for hay and feed commodities.
Local groups elect officers and plan events in Marion County
The fourth district of Marion County Sunday School elected officers I. H. Clifford as president FF. F. Burrows as vice president Evelyn Pierce as secretary and treasurer The Century club plans a Tuesday meeting with Louis Burckhardt presenting The Trial of the Captain of Koepenick Mrs Jennie B Thompson travels to Franklin for G N Overstreet funeral Milner E Elsworth Circle No 2 Ladies of the G A H to serve dinner at 21 8 Delaware St The Co W E M auxiliary to Englewood Christian Church meets Tuesday afternoon with Mrs R Pierce 201 N Tacoma Ave The Woman's Auxiliary to Typographical Union No 1 hosts a euchre party on Feb 19 at 431 N Pennsylvania St Mr and Mrs J D White celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary at their son H K White's home 810 B Oriental St I H Phares to address McKinley club Tuesday night Feb 12
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Marion County Sunday School Association
I. H. Clifford
FF. F. Burrows
Evelyn Pierce
Century Club
Louis Burckhardt
Koepenick
Jennie B. Thompson
Franklin
G. N. Overstreet
Washington's Birthday Observed by Grand Hotel Council
Washington's birthday was celebrated at the Grand hotel on Sunday by the Capital council No 1276 Y. M. W. P. Manton served as toastmaster. Speakers included Rt Rev Bishop PD O'Donoghue Irving Esn, Robert Reilly, Joseph McGown Norris McDonald John F. Troy Joseph Manning C A Slinger and W A Logarty.
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Washington
Grand Hotel
Capital Council
Y. M
William P. Manton
PD. O'Donoghue
Irving Esiun
Robert Reilly
Joseph McGown
Norris McDonald
John Ff.troy
Joseph Manning
C. A. Slinger
W. AL. Logarty
Pastor Praised Thaw Sermon on Moral Battle
Providence Illinois February 11 Reverend C. Meldon praised Harry K. Thaw describing his act against Stanford White as a moral test and argued conscience as God's voice guiding right. He warned against loving the powerful and urged true love for the young and innocent.
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Stanford White
Talbot Dead Head of Apoplexy in Brooklyn Home
Boston report says United States assistant attorney general under Johnson Thomas H. Talbot died of apoplexy at his Brooklyn home. He was 101 years old.
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Scerippa-Mediae Press Association
Boston
Mass
Peb
Thomas H. Talbott
United States
Johnson
Brooklyn
Thaw Case Backer Delmas Talks Of Nesbit Testimony
Delmas, counsel for Harry K. Thaw, described Evelyn Nesbit Thaw’s courtroom account as more harrowing than his pretrial briefing. He noted no rehearsal and said the jury would be moved if she had told all details, recounting her reactions at the grave and memories of the fatal night with Stanford White.
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Mr. Delmas
Philadelphia
Huarrist ‘Thaw
Harry Thaw
Frankfort Asylum
Evelyn
Delmas
Evelyn Nesbit Thaw
Thaw
Stanford White
Nephiew of Senator Money freed in murder acquittal
Greenwood Mississippi February 11 James D Moncey Jr nephew of Senator Money and cousin of Governor Vardaman was acquitted by a jury of murder in the feud killing of neighbor L. Henderson several months earlier. The case ended with an unexpected verdict ending the long feud between the parties.
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Greenwood
Miss
James D. Moncey, Jr
Senator Money
Gov
Vardaman
Money
L. 3
Henderson
Wrestlers Pass Through Indianapolis On Tour
Frank Gotch and Farmer Burns wrestlers passed through Indianapolis Sunday night in a Pullman coach en route from Cincinnati to Chicago. They had a match at Knoxville Tennessee with Gotch winning the last two falls.
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Frank Gotch
Farmer Burns
Indianapolis
Cincinnati
Chicago
Knoxville
Tenn
Gotch
President seeks mail ban on Thaw trial reports
The president asked Postmaster General Cortelyou to determine if papers printing full details of the Thaw trial can be barred from the mails. A White House statement says the president wishes the action done if feasible, noting the Thaw trial has opened amid widespread interest.
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Washington
Cortelyou
White House
New
Infringement Suit Filed Over Cutting Machine Patent
Amelia Coy of Toledo sues the Republic Iron and Steel Company of Muncie for 6000 dollars plus costs, alleging infringement of a patented device for cutting sercenas.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Amelia, Coy
Toledo
Republic Iron and Steel Company. of
Muneio
Tugmen May Strike in New York Harbor
Scripps-McRae Press reports tugmen in New York harbor threaten a strike with demand for higher wages. labor action appears nearly certain as negotiations proceed in February in the harbor area.
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Scripps-Mchrae Press. Association
New York
Feb
New York Harbor
DANGERS REHEARSE For Eastern Question benefit show
A past week of rehearsals by young performers for a Children's Aid Society benefit, staged at Meridian Street house. The large cast features many noted young women, with bright costumes and elaborate stage settings anticipated. Tickets go on sale at English's next Thursday, with no advance reservations and balcony seating at ten cents.
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Oyrra House
Children’s Aid Society
Hiomerit
Meridian St
Gene Tr
Tax sale draws crowd in county courthouse
The annual tax lot sale occurred in the courthouse corridor Monday with about 300 lots sold to a crowd of real estate agents. Bids ranged from 15 to 20 dollars as Bruce Weaden from the treasurer’s office conducted the auction. about 300 more lots remain to be sold.
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Bruce Weaden
Oriental Exhibit at Art Institute showcases Collier collection
The Collier collection of pictures and Oriental art objects will be shown at Joan Herron Art Institute beginning Tuesday. The exhibit features 45 American illustrators, antique Orient objects owned by Charles Q. Jones, and works by Frederick Jenning, Jessie Willcox Smith, and AL Frost. Herron galleries open Wednesday night and daily for visitors.
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Collier
America
Uoder
Art Institute—wall
Joan Flerron Art Institute
Orient
Charles Q. Jones
Man Injured After Fall From Vandalia Engine
Peter J. Madden of 5 N. Temple avenue fell from a moving Vandalia engine Monday afternoon. He suffered internal injuries and a compound fracture of the right ankle and was taken to St. Vincent's hospital for treatment.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Peter J. Madden
N. Temple Ave
St. Vincent's Hospital
Military Reception At Armory Honors Marksmanship Winners
Invitations have been issued for the annual reception by D company Sec ond infantry I. N. G. at the Armory on Thirteenth street and Ashland. The February event will feature medals and badges awarded for marksmanship during the season.
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Armory
Thirteenth-st
Ashland
D Company
Second Infantry
No Jobs Desired by the Roachdale Loafers
Superintendent Henry Melheney overseeing Standard Oil pipeline work through Roachdale to Jamestown canvassed about 12 saloons for 200 laborers offering transportation and $1.92 daily with board. In one saloon 17 men refused. others six to a dozen refused. Mayor Bookwalter ordered Chief Metzger to drive out the loafers.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Henry Melheney
Standard Oil Company
Roachdale
Jamestown
Bookwalter
Metzger
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Y. M. C. A. Fund
H. J. McGowan
Lilly
Peda Wanes
Citizens’. Committee
Young Business Men’s Committee
H. C. Atkins
C. J. Buchanan
Censes Sou
J. N. Carey
Aese
J. F. Hobbe
C. HN. Jones
J. W. Lilly
J. M. Ogden
W. C. van Arsdel
H. O. Smith
J. F. Wild
Association
Godard
C. S. Ward
Ward
Liv
City Grain
Chicago Grain
Scripps-Mchine Press Association
Newark, N. J
Thomas
Local Securities
John C. Hoss
Diana Capital
Marion County
Oscar
Colum
Lice
Vic
Edward Bray
BAR
N. Chambers
The
Marion County Bar Association
McLaughlin's Barber Shop
Massachusettss Ave
Trance
Reiley
N. Capitol Ave
Capitol and
Nentuchy
Witne
Theo Teft
Deinias
Evelyn Nesbit
Whitehouse
Cartelyou
Legal Bureau
Pas
scripps-Vichae Rere
Mrs. White
Evelyn Thaw
Cambridge, Mass
Mervaré College
Lawrence
Iea
Poland Springs
Jack
Secrippa-McRae Press
Ansociation
Municipal Court
Busse
Pittsburg
Scripps-McRae Fresa Association
Wagon Market
J. D. White
Market-st
Vesday
H. HK. White
B. Oriental-st
I. H. Phares
McKinley Club
Scripnos-McRae Press
Aesociation
Providence
R. IL
C. (. Meldon
Talbot
Pan
Delphin Michael Delmas
Harry HK. Thaw
St. John’s
Money’s Nephew
Scripps-MeRze Preas Association
King Piano
H. C. Jackson
Mgr
Terminal Traction
Dangers
John Her
RON Art Institute
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