Probate Orders News and Notes from the Court House
A concluded injunction suit in Elkhart favors H A Chamberlain Medicine Co. plaintiff to take nothing. Jacob B Moyer named to board. warrants out for Edward Bradley and Harold Kelly. Bruinbanen vs Fry estate settled for 52.25. Kerstetter et al vs Elkhart National Bank receiver approves $250 compromise with Lenora Pogue. Petit jury reports Monday. Fraud jury unlikely to be called.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
A. N. Chamberlain Medicine Company
Elkhart
H. A. Chambertian Medicine Company
Sant City
A. N. Chamberlain Company
H. A. Chamberlain Company
Edward Bradley
Harold Kelly
Bors
John M. Bruinbanen
Mary B. Fry
Edmund R. Kerstetter
Elkhart National Baun
Lenora Po Gage
Estate matters and guardianships in Indiana probate docket
Probate notices include estates of Daniel S Crips and Orville C Puterbaugh with minor heirs of Jacob G Cooper and Peter Bevier. Guardianship and estate appraisers named. bonds filed. suit by Maiodes against Northern Indiana Railway for 50 dollars on foreclosure of mechanics lien. City remonstrance regarding Elkhart extension dismissed. Marriage licenses listed for Walter Fulmer and Ethel Clipp. Harold A Keith and Jennie Swartz.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Daniel S. Crips
Orville C. Puterbaugh
Jacob G. Cooper
Oscar D. Cooper
John A. Lev
Walter S Hazelton
A. B. R.resler
Samuel Mover
Peter Bevier
Elizabeth E. Rickert
Dillman Rickert
Anthony NS Culp
Solomon Yoder
Francis F. Berlin
Charles Ho. Maiodes
Northern Indiana Railway Company
Mechanics Hes
Walter Fulmer
Concord Me
Ethel Clipp
Harrison
Harold Albert Keith
Goshen
Jennie Luella Swartz
Swartz Keith Wedding Celebrates Keith and Swartz Nuptials
Harold A. Keith oldest son of Mr and Mrs A E Keith married Miss Jennie Swartz this afternoon at the bride’s brother Arthur Swartz home on North Main street. Rev E A Van Nuys officiated before about 49 relatives and friends. The groom is a civil engineer on the Valley Traci tion line and the bride is the youngest daughter of Jacob Swartz. They plan to live in Lagran ge.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Harold A. Keith
A. E. Keith
Jennie Swartz
Arthur Swartz
North Main Street
E. A . van Nuys
Valley Traction Line
Jacob Swartz
Lagrange
Illnesses Reported Across Local Residents In Area
Michael Treesh near New Paris is critically ill and aged. Charles MecCumsey, U S express messenger, is ill. Mrs Jesse Vail is seriously ill at her daughter Mrs A G Heavens on South Eighth street. Mrs Charles Thornton of Upp farm Jefferson township has malaria fever but is convalescent. Mrs Ed Musselman west of Millersburg is very low with pulmonary trouble.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Michael Treesch
New Paris
Charles MecCumsey
U. S. Express
Jesse Vail
A. G. Heavens
South Eighth Street
Charles Thornton
Upp
Jefferson Township
Ed Musselman
Millersburg
Births Recorded Near Gosher and New Paris Line
A daughter was born this morning two miles northeast of Gosher to Mr. and Mrs. William Lartie. A daughter was born Sunday morning to Mr. and Mrs. Earl Haney of New Paris. A son was born Sunday evening to Mr. and Mrs. Daniel Linebaugh of near New Paris.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
William Lartie
Gosher
Hamilton
First Street
Earl Haney
New Paris
Daniel Linebaugh
Tear New Paris
Hawks Hardware Co. Offers Wide Sporting Goods Range
Sporting goods of all kinds including base ball golf and fishing tackle showcased at Hawks Hardware Co. This notice highlights a broad inventory for sports enthusiasts seeking equipment and gear.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hawks Hardware Co
Winona Interurban Plans Goshen Warsaw Line Progress
Winona Interurban Railway officials Harry Dickey Fred Beyer and Engineer Murray reported the Goshen to Warsaw line advancing with track laid north of Waterford Mills and ties to North Vernon Indiana routes. Cars, each about 66 feet, will include baggage space smoking compartments and lavatories at a cost around 11.90 each with ten cars planned to operate once franchises are secured.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Goshen
Warsaw
Harry Dickey
Fred Beyer
Murray
Winona Interurban Railway Company
Milford Junction
Waterford Mills
Connecans
Northvo Indiana Company
City Fine
Parkside
Courneil
Winona Company
Main
Clinton
Fifth Streets
Lincoln Avenue
Winona Co
Northern Indiana Company
Messrs
Dickey, Beyer and Murray
Bros. Eirens
Winona Compans
James S. Drake
Winona
Peru
Fort Wayne
Barrett estate to build premier vaudeville house in Indianapolis
The Barrett estate will develop a magnificent vaudeville theater in Indianapolis, leased to Am mons and DuBuis of Irwin. Contracts have been closed, promising one of the finest venues in the country.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Barrett
Ammons & DuBuis
Irwin
Indianapolis
Under a Spell Hypnotist Accused in South Bend
Mrs. Rosa Lonzo of South Bend claims a hypnotist has her daughter Mrs. William Emmons under a spell and she has appealed to the authorities for resolution.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Rosa Lonzo
South Bend
William Emmons
Death of Syracuse Lady Ends After Year of Illness
Mrs Frank Corns died in Syracuse yesterday morning after about a year of illness and complications. She was about 35 years old.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Syracuse
Frank Corns
New Winona ordinance read. sewer contract moved to Klopfenstein
The city council in special session approved a Winona Railway franchise on South Main and a one block loop. The sewer contract with Northern Construction was transferred to Elkhart’s John D. Klopfenstein. Adjourned session set for Monday to finalize the ordinance.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Northern Construction Co
J. D. Klopfenstein
Winona Railway Company
James S. Drake
Winona Corporation
Northern Indiana Railway Company
Northern Indiana
South Main Street
Elkwort
Menaugh
Council Chamber
Menauzh
Northern Construction Company of
Elkhart
John D. Klopfeinstein
Winona
College Avenue
Ellgath
Washington
Third
Jefferson
Veterans Hurt in Lafayette Rally Collision
A Lafayette collision at the G. A. R. encampment left many veterans injured. Names include James Collins Elkhart Wh M Buse Elkhart Wm Marker Elkhart James Coleman Marshall County Wm Krantz Butler N O Boydston Warsaw J W Kronk Goshen John W Cornell Goshen H Druckamiller Milford A G Nyers Warsaw Thomas Marr LaPorte Stephen Girard Bourbon B J Aurand LaPorte John Cornell and J W Kronk returned home with non serious injuries and calls the escape miraculous.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lafayette
James Collins
Elkhart
Wh. M. Buse
Wm. Marker
James Coleman
Marshall County
Wm. Krantz
Butler
N. O. Boydston
Warsaw
J. W. Kronk
Goshen
John W. Cornell
H. Druckamiller
Milford
A. G. Nyers
Thomas
Marr
LaPorte
Stephen Girard
Bourbon
B. J. Aurand
John Cornell
Three Year Old Boy Killed by Wagon near Milford
Clifford Dick the three year old son of Edward Dick was fatally crushed when a wagon with a loaded mower rolled over him in a Milford area barnyard. Upon the incident bystanders alerted the driver and the child died instantly.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Clifford
Edward Dick
Milford
Mr. Dick
Sink hole forces detour on Kendallville wagon road
A large sink hole along the Kendallville wagon road north of the Lake Shore tracks caused a sudden detour for at least a mile. The soft spot spans about 230 feet in diameter and has prompted thousands of dollars in attempts to fill it.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Kendallville
Lake Shore
Young Knox County youth suffers chest wound in gun accident
Benjamin McCoy an 18 year old resident two miles west of Knox was driving cows when he discharged a shotgun in a fence corner. The shot struck his body under the left arm tearing tissue and threatening amputation of his arm.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Benjamin McCoy
Knox
Bos
Ga loon operator pleads guilty on two charges at Warsaw
Dick J Brunges who conducts a loon on Lake Wawasee appeared before Justice Eiler in Warsaw on two counts. He pled guilty to selling liquor illegally and violating the Sabbath. The total fines and costs were 30.20 dollars, which he paid.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Dick J Brunges
Lake Wawasee
Justice Eiler
Warsaw
Albert Dickinson Heads to Las Vegas New Mexico Health Colony
Albert Dickinson of Ligonier plans to travel to Las Vegas New Mexico to join the Indiana health seekers colony seeking wellness and medical care.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Albert Dickinson
Ligonier
Las Vegas
N. M
Indiana
South Bend Couple to Wed This June
Miss Grace Montgomery daughter of Dr H T Montgomery of South Bend will marry Harvey Ginz of South Bend on June 6 in a ceremony announced by the couple and their families.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
South Bend
Grace Montgomery
H. T. Montgomery
Harvey Ginz
Lake Shore to Complete Block Signal System
By next fall the Lake Shore expects to have its new block signal system practically completed and in operation from Cleveland to Mukhat.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lake Shore
Cleveland
Mukhatt
Goshen to Host Large Scale Tailor Haberdashery Store
Abe Kaatz announces closing the ready made clothing business to run a pure tailor and haberdashery shop in Goshen. The firm cites overwhelming tailoring demand, with staff working long hours and behind on orders. Original store rooms stay, new venture will feature first class furnishing and hat shop, with top tailors and clothing sold at cost to make room.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Goshen
Abe Kaatz
Kaatz
Farm Ownership and Farm Numbers in Indiana
Indiana counts 221,897 farms with ownership by operators at 156,22 thousand. Managers run 2,220 farms and tenants operate 63,449. White farmers operate 220,855 farms, 99.5 percent, while 162 farms, about 4 percent, are run by colored farmers.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Indiana
Local Rain Fell Only In Part Of The Area
Weather brief notes light showers yesterday and this morning were local. Bristol reported no rain while halfway between Goshen and Bristol there was heavy precipitation yesterday delaying ground cultivation for several days.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Bristol
Goshen
Smith to Lecture Before St Joseph Valley Chautauqua
Wm Alden Smith of Grand Rapids Michigan congressman and U S senate candidate and gas works investor has been secured to lecture at the St Joseph Valley chautauqua event in Elkhart.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Wm. Alden Smith
Grand Rapids, Mich
U. S
Elkhart
St. Joseph Valley
Miss Lola Overton Dies at Home in Odon Indiana
Miss Lola Overton aged 13 daughter of Frank Overton formerly of Goshen Ind died yesterday at her parents home in Odon Ind A life policy valued at 250 dollars with the Metropolitan company is involved The report notes the policy and the family background without graphic detail.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lola Overton
Frank Overton
Goshen
Odon
Ind
Metropolitan
Efforts Continue to Oust Lagrange Postmaster
Ongoing moves to remove Postmaster Dryer at Lagrange. Applicants for the vacancy include E. B. McDonald, Republican county chairman, and Dr. A. C. Beecher.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Lagrange
P. O
Postmaster Dryer
E. B. McDonald
Republican County
A. C. Beecher
Knights Templar to Attend Methodist Service in Body
Goshen commandery Knights Templars accepts invitation from Rev. M. J. Magor to join the Methodist church service in a body on Sunday morning.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Goshen Commandery
Knights Templars
M. J. Magor
Methodist Church
Jefferson to Host Martin Company's Stageland Attraction
If the press across cities is accurate the Al W. Martins Uncle Tom's Cabin troupe will bring a major attraction to the Jefferson on Friday evening. The company is described as among stageland's largest and best equipped this season, promising universal patronage.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
al W. Martin
Jefferson
Martin Company
Stageland
Help Wanted at Kaats Store Tomorrow Morning
Job notice for Abe at Kaats indicates applications due tomorrow at 9 o'clock. The brief ad instructs applicants to apply in person at the store.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Abe
Kaats
Cosmo Plant to Operate on Bigger Scale After Sale
A sale contract for the Cosmo Buttermilk Soap plant to eastern parties was signed. Details remain secret until July 1 when the factory will start full operation. Two eastern men will join the company. the Elkhart County Trust Co. has been receiver. The Goshen plant’s sale marks a major local industrial acquisition.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Cosmo Buttermilk Soap Company
Cosmo
Goshen
Elkhart County Trust Co
Goshen Industries
Mountain Climbing Car Passes Through on Return Trip
Peres T. McGargel and David F. Fassett with a rugged automobile, named meo, returned from San Francisco. They left New York aiming to go to San Francisco and back under set conditions. After four days in mountain snow, they resumed travel from Chicago to Kendallville and expect to reach New York on schedule. The car carried guns, shovels, pick-axes, and other gear for wilderness travel.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Peres T. McGargel
David F. Fassett
San Francisco
New York
Chicago
Kendallville
Wild West
K. O. T. M Memorial Services Rescheduled
The K. O. T. M memorial services are set for Sunday June 17 at 2 pm in Oak Ridge cemetery. The program was moved from June 10 due to Odd Fellows events. many citizens belong to both orders and will attend both services as graves of deceased Macabees are decorated and Rev G W Bench is expected to give the address.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Odd Fellows
Oak Ridge
G W. Bench
First Train Through Elkhart Opens Northern Indiana Line
Fifty four years ago on May 22, 1852 the first train ran from Toledo to Chicago through Elkhart on the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern rail line. The route then known as the Northern Indiana was under Edwin and Elisha Litchfield who also controlled the Michigan Southern and later consolidated the two railways into a larger system.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Elkhart
Toledo
Chicago
Lake Shore & Michigan Southern
New York Central Lines
Indiana
Edwin and
Elisha Litchfield
Michigan Southern
Funeral services for Elizabeth Noble at St. James Episcopal
Funeral services for Miss Elizabeth Noble were held at 2 o'clock this afternoon at St. James Episcopal church with Rev. Ed gar Morris Thompson of Wausau Wis officiating. Floral tributes were profuse and very beautiful. Interment followed at Oak Ridge cemetery with pallbearers Defrees Mitchell O M Kinnison Ed Brookmyer Geo A Riley Hubert E Hascall and Budd Hascall.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Elizabeth Noble
St. James Episcopal Church
Edgar Morris Thompson
Wausau
Wis
Oak Ridge Cemetery
Defrees Mitchell
O. M. Kinnison
Ed Brookmyer
Geo, A. Riley
Hubert E. Hascall
Budd Hascall
Death by lightning claims Frank Smith near Shipshewana
Frank Smith was killed by a lightning strike yesterday forenoon while plowing east of Shipshewana. He sought shelter under a tree as the storm arose and the lightning struck the tree. His funeral is set for Bethel Church, several miles east of Shipshewana, tomorrow at 2 p.m.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Frank Smith
Shipshewana
Killed While Whistling in Interurban Crash
Arthur Behner a 30 year old oil worker from Marion was hurled from the rear platform of an interurban car on a sharp curve and instantly killed. He was whistling at the moment of the accident. Behner had come to Marion to settle an estate in which he was one of five heirs sharing $40,000.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Arthur Behner
Marion
Behner
Tarman Bros Buy Beef From El Elsen in Benton
Tarman Bros of New Paris purchased a beef from El Elsen of Benton. The deal details and exact terms are not fully clear in the readable text.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Tarman Bros
New Paris
el Elsen
Benton
Shirt Factory Fire Loss Settled for Goshen Plant
The Goshen Shirt factory fire loss was totaled at 13 6352 00 with contributions split among Concordia Liverpool London Globe Niagara Royal New York Underwriters Germania of New York Phoenix German American and others. Manager Goldberg said the plant will resume next Saturday after overhaul and the Cunningham room will be used as a stock room. Adjusters were Ritchie Wood Penfield and Boyd, with M F Blondell of Chicago representing the factory. All companies are in toan L. G. Brooks agency.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Goshen
Concordia
Liverpool, London & Globe
Niagara
Royal
Y. Underwriters
Germania of
N.Y
Ta Phoenix
Goldberg
Cunningham
Messrs. Ritchie, Wood, Penfield
Boyd M. F. Blondell
Chicago
Toan L. G. Brooks Agency
Swartz Sanity Petition in Kosciusko Circuit Court
The Kosciusko circuit court weighs whether Wm Swartz of Pierceton is of sound mind after multiple Lonecliff asylum stays. A brother has acted as guardian and sold Swartz property. subsequent dispute prompts a court hearing to determine insanity.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Wm. Swartz
Pierceton
Kosciusko
Swartz
Lonecliff Asylum
Longcliff
Swartz Swarts
Snow
Swarte
County embezzlement cover up questioned in Berkey era
Readers confront the Morris Berkey embezzlement case involving a $4500 loss from county funds. Critics accuse officials of covering the theft and continuing the culprit in office after auditors flagged the issue. The affair centers on a farm mortgage used to settle the taxpayers' loss.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Peter D. Berkey
Berkey
Morris Berkey
John W. Brown
Nappanee
Marshal Kinnery
Republican Party
Losses Over $10,000 Reported In Localities
The year’s list shows Elkhart with $12,056 under H. C. Dodge and Fort Wayne with $31,560 for Wm. H. Hoff man. Mishawaka records $10,000 for A. A. Shel linger and Rochester $16,000 for Perry E. Terry. South Bend totals $192,349 while Elkhart reports $31,406, Goshen $6,527, and Fort Wayne $200,997.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Elkhart
H. C. Dodge
Fort Wayne
Wm. H. Hoffman
Mishawaka
A. A. Shellinger
Rochester
Perry E. Terry
South Bend
Goshen
Ft. Wayne
Concord Township Assessor Reports City and Township Totals
Assessor Martin presented figures to the county auditor showing city totals of 1,296,817 excluding banks and township totals of 169,470 outside the city. City polls counted 2,379 and rural polls 275.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Concord Township
Martin
Horse Mired in Mud Near Dunlaps River Bottom
B Wannesdale reports a horse became stuck in mud along the river bottom on Tuesday forenoon. Rescue lasted from 11 am until 7 pm with the animal not yet recovered and possibly dying from the accident.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
B. Wannesdale
Dunlaps
Observances Mark Ascension Day Here
Services commemorating Ascension Day were held today as worshippers observed Christ's ascent from Mt. Olivet forty days after the resurrection.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Christ
Mt. Olivet
Notice of Deaner Not Liable for Wife Ida Tomes Debts
Notice states William Tomes will not be responsible for any debts contracted by his wife Ida Tomes who has left his bed and board.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Ida Tomes
William Tomes
Hawks Hardware Co Lawn Mowers In Stock
Hawks Hardware Co offers lawn mowers in stock, highlighting trusted, long sold lines with proven value and reliability. The notice emphasizes consistent quality and sustained availability from a familiar supplier.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Hawks Hardware Co
Local residents share visits and travel notes across towns
Ed Cammack and George Ogden Jr from Milford visit the city. Mrs. Whitehead returns from LaPorte with her children. Mrs. Bosse goes to Syracuse for the funeral of Mrs. Corns. Rev. Bennett of Warsaw hosted last night before a Chicago departure. Dr. Frimaneds called to Osceola for Mrs. Maybee. Mrs. Dalka returns from Corunna. Mrs. Eyman back in Chicago after a week with ill mother Mrs. Vail. Luther Martin promotes the Detroit excursion from New Paris. Mrs. Manning attends cousin Sherman Comstock funeral near North Manchester. Gessner Wolfgang guests of Rev Schwalm in Olive township depart for Schuylkill Pa. Spohn Mummert Vallette to attend General Federation of Women's Clubs biennial in St Paul Mine. Harold Forrest to Bowling Green for graduation and alumni ball. family visits. State Medical Society meeting in Winona draws several South Bend physicians. DeYoung and Brower from Balk-Holland visit New Paris area for six weeks.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Will Dalka
Corunna
John McKee
F. P. Eyman
Chicago
Jesse Vail
Luther B. Martin
New Paris
City
Detroit
Wabash Road
Seth Manning
Jefferson Township
Sherman Comstock
Manchester
William Gessner
Paul Wolfgang
H. M. Schwalm
Olive Township
Schuylkill
S. F. Spohn
E. E. Mummert
W. Q. Vallette
St. Paul
Mine
Taey
General Federation of Women’s Clubs
Western Union
Harold Forrest
Jase Aight
Bowling Green
E. E. Ash
D. Ka. Miller
J. A. Snapp
A. C. Jackson
J. Becknell
L. Dreese
H. K. Lemoo
J. A. Cook
M. RK. Kreider
State Medical Society
Winona
South Bend
H. F. Montgomery
Caoas. Stoltz
C. M. Butterworth
C. Terry
E. J. Lent
Northern Indiana Deaths and a Railway Rescue Tale
Obituaries note the deaths of Susannah Stump near North Liberty aged 83 Herman Warlich in South Bend of Brights disease age unknown and native of Germany and Mrs Frank Wenninger of South Bend age 46 A Waterloo dispatch recounts Laura Sinclair district deputy of the Rathbone Sisters missing her programs on a fast Waterloo Goshen trip and recovering by telegram via Kenndallville to catch the westbound train in time Just like a woman
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Susannan Stump
North Liberty
Herman Warlich
South Bend
Bright
Germany
Frank Wenninger
Waterloo
Laura Sinclair
Rathbone Sisters
Goshen
Kendallville
Anview
Burt
Saloon Keepers to Fight Sun Day Arrests in Indiana Test
Two La Porte saloon keepers plan to contest charges for admitting patrons on Sundays. They argue the Nicholson law prohibition was omitted from Indiana criminal codification and no statute now covers such cases, challenging the basis of the arrests.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Indiana
la Porte
Oak Ridge cemetery looks well-kept for Memorial Day
Recent heavy spring rain drenched the area with torrential downpours as grass flourished at Oak Ridge cemetery. Farmers report relief and contentment after favorable weather.
Lightning Hits Barn On Wer rick Farm In Indiana
A barn on Jacob Wer rick’s farm located between Middlebury and Ship Showana was struck by lightning, causing damage to the structure and its contents. No injuries are reported. Fire crews responded and secured the scene.
MENTIONED IN THIS ARTICLE
Jacob Werrick
Middlebury
Shipshowana
Also Mentioned on This Page
Chamberlain Medicine Co
Petit Jury
Jacob B. Moyer
Samuel Moyer
Cits
Board of
Circuit Court
Elkhare
Simot
Bride
the Daily Democrat
Ekhart
Othe Council
South End
Jeffor
Otichina
Winuha
Rover Wall
Winona Interurban Company
Farm Statistics
Odon, Ind
Soap Factory
Willi
Miss Noble
Kosciusko Circuit Court
Nappanee News
Concord’s
Ed Cammack
George Ogden, Jr
B. G. Whitehead
George Bosse
H. W Bennett
S A. Frimaneds
Osceola
Maybee
Nicholson Law
This is just the beginning! Our collection holds over 300 years of history, including rare newspapers, obituaries, marriage records, birth records, and so much more—most of which you won’t find anywhere else!