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Dublin News-Letter (Newspaper) - December 2, 1840, Dublin, Dublin Vol. IV. R I G H A R D R E' I L L T. From Tuesday December the 2dj to'Satukday December the 6th, 174.0. ofC- Tbc following DEBATE of the H- upon the Place Bill, we hope will prove agreeabeto cur Readers-. The SPEECH of S- �1S- -ys, Efq; S'I'.Ry Ms now going to lay before you a Propofition, which h>sa!re�tc*''Wntch "cvef the Liberties and Privileges of' the People, by ta'kjr-g Care not topafiany Laws, that' are inconhftest wr^j the,.Liberties zid Privileges of thf Peopie, and by providing ipecdy and efFeclual Remedies againft ali'Jncr^cD^ien'ts that have been, or may be' mhde,. By-Kinfeiuoa* Princes, or guilty Micifters. Thefr, Sirj -aretinftcrig'.tbet'cbicrof the Duties of Parliament; but how can, we expeci a Performance, if a Majority of the lytflttbVfV be fuch^whoie Sttlf^frefemtion or Security depends upon their neglecting or acting Contrary to thele Duties P^Gan we expeci tharpublick Grievances will be redrfflieid,H�f .a Majority;of Parliament be fuch as have themfelves been, or fuch as are the Friends and Conftde-' rates pf ,thofe that hivfe' been the Caqfe of thofe publick GVie'vinces? Can we"'expYcY that any .high Offender will te~punifhed by Parliament, If the Majority of it be fufrl atth^^tft^mrlaWfons'and Sharers with him in his Crime.1,, or fuch '"wrtoftchief* Subfiftehce 'depends upon fc^eafag^ifffromjatticVf Can we expicl: that anySup ply dtmAndtd^y the Crown wi!l!be refufed, if it is to be graW b/'tfioft,  whtte'c'bief SuMilerice depends Upon makingfhe Grant; or "that the publick Mcney will be properly. ^ppiy'd/ior^dufyvaccounted for,' if thofe that have appjy ^'-"are'employed by his Maje tty^^ibrelfQ'friccrsM^ theexecBtrve Part of our Govern me8&~ TJiefer-1- fayVir may be necrfTiry to have a mongft��,�rn ii&fJid g?veJb's. fuch"Informations as niay rft^^rb^'nc��3*y"td tBeie've?al Branches of Bnllnefs thatconJe-ieguiariy before'this Houfe ; bur, J smfure it is no way ncceli'ary, and quite incjufiflenc witrT th Bigniry of this ~Houfif,*"To have if fTl-'d with Clerks c Offices, ancMfifefior'Officers'bf burKavy and^Army. corifeff I�Siye\9itfgtete^'fe|aTd for fuch of thefa as We havVaf preferVi" amdngffis'; becaale, I hope they have all fo much'Honoarj-ih .v they would difdaiti MJ facr ftc-thtatv�Dutyi-as MeTrrbett'of this Houfe,"for any felftii" Cc^ld��ti*n-rrbnc/'we Canhot be allured, that thofe wh fucceed them in their Offices and Employments, wi'l b Gentlemen of fo much Honour, and as they may like wife fucceed therri with regard to their Seats in thisHoufe, our Conftitution may b� thereby brought into the utmofi Danger : for, if 1 were not well affured of the Honour cf thofe Officers we have now amongft us^ we have alread j iuch a Number, thit I fhcu!d think our Conftitution upoii the Brink of Dcilrudion; and, as this Number may en-creafe fo as in a fhort Time to become the Majority of thii Houfe, whilft we have it in our Power, we onght to take care to provide againft this Danger, by limiting the Number of Officers that are to have Seats in this Houfe; for. if ths Majority of this Houfe (hoold once come to be compefed of Officers, and thofe Officers fuch as had a greater Regard to the Place* they poi&fs, or Preferments they hope for, than to the Liberties and Confh'tution of their Country, ii would be ridiculous to think of getting the Approbation of this Houfe toany-fech Rejeolation. Therefore, Sir, as this is not yet, I hope, bar unfortu-na:e Cafe, I fhall beg Leave to move, " That Leave " may be g'vento bring in a Bill, for the better lecunfig " the Freedom of Parliament, by limiting the Number " of Officers to fic in the Houfe of Comtnons. - To which the following Reply was made, by I wi SIR, Should readily join noY Only in bringing in, but, in pafling fucb a Bill as die Hon. Gentleman has been pieafed t j propofe, if I thought it were r.ecefTary fsr the Prefervation of our Conftitution: Nay, I fhould join with the Hon Gent!�roan in his.mction for bringing it in, in oider to fee what fort of Remedy be has a mmd tbphj-pole, it I thought that the Conffitutfoh were now, orever could be ia any Danger frpni the Number Officers in his Houfe : Nay further, I fhould prfcb.b'y join with him in this motion at ?eaft, if I were net fully convinced hat theexcltding of any Officer whs majf have Fortune and Jrrceicft Enough in his Country to get himftlf cfiofiqn,, would be a moft dangerous Infringement of oar Con/ifrn-tion, and at bit an infallible Cauie of its Diffolutbn. The Hon. Gentleman has himfeff, Sir, furnifhed.us iih what I take to bean rmnfwerable Argament againll the Bitfije^ropbfcs. - Hcifays, and*"indeed it muft by very one be granted, that no Danger can enfue from the' Number of Officers in this Houfe,'uhleTs that Number be To great' as to make a Majority,* and that even in this Cafe no Danger can from thence arife^ unlefs that Majo: rjty confiilsof fuch Men' as have a greater Regard forth Offices they poffefs, or the Preferments they hqp'e for, thanthey have for their own Honour, or the Liberties o 'their Country. Thefe, therefore, are'fwo Cales, which we muft fuppofe may happen, before we can fay there i-any Neceffity for ftrch a Bin, as he has been pleafeq to propofe; and thefe two Cfes are, in my Opinion, of fuch a N*tun, that we cannot fuppofe it pbffible that either of (hem fhould ever happen, smd much Iefscan we fuppofe that both may happen at one and the fame Time, We know, Sir, th� a great Number of thofe who have Offices and Employments under the Ciown, I mean all the Officers of the Revenue, are; already excluded frenj having Seats in this Houfe; and as forthe Officers of" our Navy and Army, and all thofe ttet belong tb'iny b^ the Offices kept here at London," they are, by'.thjbVer^ Nature of their Office, and by the Attendance they mull give, prevented from having any indmacy or Correfpon dence with the Gentlemen or* "People of our fiveral Coup ties, Cities, or Boroughs, and consequently it muft te extremely difficnlt for any great Number of them to get themfelves chofen; for the -People in all Plac 4 of the Kingdom are fond ol thofe that live amongft them, an3 converfe with them daily, and will always chufe one tf them, father than any Stranger that comes tofet upas a' Candidace-atan EIrclion. .For thefe; Reafons, Sir, I think ft impoffibleto (tip pole, thst ever a Majority of thii:Houfe fhould cor.M of tucb, as hold "Offices or EmpfdyHferits'it the arbitrary Will of the Crown ; 'and as fof:Penfioperi, fthey are af ready excluded from having Seats in tKis Hoilfe, as fFec^ tually as it is'poffib'e for you to exclude them by any Tli w_ you can make1. But this is hbt'Bieohly in^|(ofli!?re.*SHp-pofition we md& make, fn brdetrrTo frighten our&vJsbj the. Dingers We1 are exposM to by a;.great- Number of Officerlbavi'ng Sea-s in thisHoufe r we moft'tiot only (up-pofe that they rnake'a Majority bf the. Hoofe. '&ut" dial they are all fuch as have' no regard to tfieir honour or their Country, which, I hope, will appear to be a Sup cofition impoffible to be made,- with regard to fuch Number of Gentlemen of Family or Forton^,. in tbisuo; any'other "Kingdomupon EaitB V % Gep'Qemen of Fa mily and"Tortune; they mult be� .before thsycanget themferves0,ciiofen, unlels you fuppofe their Cenftituenti to be as gteat Scaundr^s as themfelves, which is.a Sup-pifiatn that, I hope, can never be made; at Ieali, lam lure, if there fhould ev^r be Ground for niLkirjg.lua) 3 Suppcfition, it would be ridicuous jo.talk 0/ prefe:vir;g the Lib-rties ot fuch a vicicus arid abandoned People. But, Sir, before we can fuppofe, our Conftitution in Danger from a great Number o( Qificers having Seats ia this Houfe, we muft, in my'Opinion, fuppofe, that ail thofe Officers a'e not only rtgat,d:eG of Honour and their Country, but downright Fools and Idiots, with Reg3rd to their own Intcelt. Every Gentleman thatcan have a Seat in rhis Houis, mult now by Law be poffefied of aa Eftace of 6001. or at lesll 300 1. a Year, in his own Right. Whiift our Conftitution is preferved, he may call this his Property, he may uanfmit it to his Poftetity. But if our happy Conllitution fhould bede/lroy'dj If an abfolute and arbitrary Government fhoqin be fef up, hs could do n'eitl er with any Certg|inty. In fuch Governments ihere is. np Property, .there is ncvMan can with Certainty drpecd upen being able to tranfmit ary thing to his Pofierity ;rand>vouldany Man butsFooi.ora Madman render a certain, real, tranlmiffible, Eftate of 6001. or 300La Year precarious, for the fake of a Place, or Penfioh of dooble the Value, whxh he held* at the mere Will of anothcr^and. which he knew he couLttnos rj-anf-tpfr.toT^H, PbSerityl This, Sir, is. fo tcontragr to cpm-mbn'Sgriu;', that it, i^'jm^affible td fuppofe )that any grea, t Nam be/of Merji in ,any. Age, or in, any Countiy, ccald be!guflty'bf fuch a Fieqeof Madnefs. , ... , FrtifnTience,"! think, it isje.vjdent, that our Gonftitu- . tion can never be in Dinger1 Jjroro anyNwnber of.Ofnsers that may have feats ip this Houfe ; butityou flawed by. x new Law exclude all thr�fe in any Offire-or-Empioyraent, uneJerthe Crown, or all bat a very Jew, item hiving feats in this Hpule*. it would not cniy endanger,,: bat, in. my( Opinion, c'ertaitjly dsftroy our Conftitution, .fair, I. believe it wilt be granted, that fince the happy Acceilica of ovr ptdktyillv^omF^f^ff. a|-great a; jiegpfd,.. 4$ great a Reipcd bos been fi^wn bjc.lh,e Csopm, ta Polish.. � mes^(nay'�%t^ .l|fadki^. tha^n j^wt'Sbs^ in ang 1 JFormer, Period of upie., To enmnaie i|wiib that P^cr^tpdr in wfiich our Cbaf^ftruoo /eems^p^T^iJBFii^Bio^ BStficT** and our Goyersiijiie&t^^ Rergri of the ^mt^3^amtSbStth: Ev^rg^oe knows,, that fhe often treated her Parliaments with more Haughti-nefsthan rtas^(el^be,eq. (b^jrijuch:avebotigj^jaf:-Nfrfi Ihefgrnetimes treated them \a iucLa, n^annetj as.vfOt^d now be exolairri'd againft, is the highef| .{pfult, >tjhem$$ dangerous fncroachments upon the:Riglits and L^ibertif^of Parliament'; and yet the Parliaments fn her Time behaved in a morebbeHicm, I miy fay, a more fervile manner towards the Crown, tljan, they have eveidpns.jnt a,ay Reign fin'c^ that time \ from whence, I mufls corijcbjde^.that fo f�r from being brought under any fervile Influence by-die-Number of Qfficert we have now ia the Hjoufe, it icon- c tributes towards enhancing that Regard, wJucj^.e,.�?owa.,,; finds neceflary to fhewtous; and,, ;L, think, ve^y good Reafon it fhould ; for lurcly a Gentleman wbo*'bend�# ve ,againitFu& great Men,^ who'..rnrfy b� .the HcacUof^a^'cm, may probably, in a'4>ort,Timei get''(|e i>ircc^m.noi: ofly of,fhis Houfe, btftdf fAoft of the Elegioas in the King f,the Cenfequer.ee; bi v5fiui^wbuTd' certai�ly be aC:yilW3f bct^jon thisHoaie ancf/iis FbTovyers.of one fide, snd tbe King and his Office: s .and.their Followers^ .of the othe-; anu by the Iffye nf this W;ar, let ,\�hicji. tyer fide prevai*, our Coaibtnuoa would ceriuiniy be undone This, Sir, ws the. C^e. :n [tjxe ReignSf Henry IIL Thij was the Cale in ihe Reign ,of Charles I. Jh Henry Ilia's Time, the gtcst Et'I of * Leicefter, who was Ho*d of the Party againft the King and his Minillers or Officers, not orly go the Dirtclica of the. Parliament, but, by his o*vn Authori.y nonii-r.ei rnany of thofe* that were to be chof.11 as rviembers of this Houfe; and if that haughty Eail had not b;en defer e-J by the Duke of Gl.-:uc iler, and defeated bytfre Cc-jrxgz ind Conduit of the Prince of Wales, ai SUBSCRIPTIONS for City and Country, for this Tdpir, are taken in by the Printer hereof. ;