CV: Well, he actually got hit, but the wound wasn’t anything bad. I think you are probably aware that the police were right there and the man managed to break through the police, and hit Boissonault, and the police grabbed everybody.NK: According to the story 1 read in the (Chicago) Tribune, you fellows were there in uniform?CV: Oh, yes.NK: And you were protesting — l didn’t exactly get what you were protesting.CV: Well, we were protesting the Zionist business — the fact that all people who sell bonds do everything for a foreign government — this is in essence what we protested — the fact that these people are not forced to register — we’re protesting Zionism.NK: You are protesting Zionism, is that it?CV: Yeh. Oh, you know, the dual — uh.NK: Dual-what?CV: How shall I put that? Dual-allegiance, more or less, you know.NK: Are people opposed to the existence of the State of Israel?CV: Well, there is a country. I don’t think there is anything you can do about itNK: Do you have a program ■— I can’t always understand from reading a newspaper just where you fellows stand.CV-Yes, even when they (the press) try to tell the truth lit per cent they — even when they are for one side or the other — they color it a little bitNK: I can’t understand what you guys are for from reading the newspapers. Do you-hove aCV: Well, I’ll give you my own personal opinion. I suppose that compared to other groups,1 think that you could come to that conclusion. My own personal opinion is this: I do not hate Jews and 1 do not hate Negroes. I hate certain Negroes and I hate certain Jews — not because they are either one, but because of certain things they are doing — politically, or racially, or whatever.NK: For example, what are the things that certain Jewish people do that you object to?CV: Well, one thing we do point out is this. Now, 1 am sure you are aware of this, and I have some Jewish friends who sympathize with us.NK: You have some Jewish friends who sympathize with you?CV: Oh, yes. We have a few in various parts--We have several in Chicago, and they even tell me this — and I think if you look at the evidence — now I’m not going to say that all Jews are Communist or necessarily that all Communists are Jews —* that’s ridiculous. But if you look at the leadership structure in Soviet Russia or at least in its origin or even now in all the other places where Com-—it has made any strides. Or for example, where there are spies In this country. You will find many Jews, way out of proportion in comparison to other whites.NK: Uh-huh. Now you say that there are certain Jewish people who sympathize with your movement. is that it?CV: Yes sir. I’U give you a good example. The head of our — the former head — until he went to jail — he’s not too a£-*getting around it. It was pretty rotten. But as of recently when they have articles about us, they have been — jus. tacts were stated — they haven’t been for or against us. There were errors in some of the articles. They didn’t look mean or anything intentionally.NK: Were you fellows once opposed to Sammie Davis?CV: Oh, yes, this is before I joined the party and that was under the auspices of the Fighting American Nationalists. I don’t remember too much about that. But the reason they picketed him in the past and will probably do so in the future is because be does have a white wife. Primarily, we are for the white race. And in our eyes that was a pretty horrible thing to do.NK: How long are you a member of the party?CV: I believe this Is going on my fourth year now. (CV is 21-years old).NK: And has the movement been gaining members in the area, bolding your own, or losing?CV: Oh, no. We have been slowly, but surely gaining. For a while we had lost, but in the last year or so, it has been going pretty good.NK: Can you admit how many people you have m your group?CV: Do you mean actualstorm troopers or actual members?NK: Here in Chicago.CV: About 25.NK: Do they have to have some kind of educational ti*Ju-ing to qualify for your group?CV: We have two membership classifications. One is this: bt VUfSe' those who picket onpatliy with your (purpose)?CV: Well, like I say, in other parts of the country, they have out and out supported us, and here, they are sympathetic and come around, and we have means of checking up on them.NK: You have ways of checking up on them and see that they are sincere?CV: Well, we have to do that with all our people.NK: And if some Jewish fellow says he is sympathetic to your movement you would check up -on him, is that it? You will find out that he really means it.CV: Yes, you see, first of all, you have to figure out exactly how he got to know about the party. And if he is introduced by a party member you know he is fairly safe, see.NK: Uh-huh.CV: Hiis one fellow in particular was introduced by a party member and he came over — see one of the biggest things we disagree with Jews is the 6 million story.NK: What's the story on that?CV: We deny it. There was definitely anti-Semitism (in Germany) but it was because of the Communism in Germany which was from top to bottom literally riddled with Jews and in places controlling it. That was the biggest reason for anti-Semitism. But this so-called business of systematic gassing and cremating — take the statistics of the Jews of the world before the war md after the war and you ;tee that it increased by 2 million. That throws the whole story out of the $ million. I forget the statistics, but they were from Jewish sources.NK: How many million peopleNK: Do you fellows have any program about exterminating Jews in this country?CV: We are out to get the Communists, whether they are gentile, Jews, or black or whatever they are.NK: But you are not an anti-Semitic organization, are you?CV: Well, it depends on what you call anti-Semitic. Now I watched At Random (TV conversation show) when Kup was still on. And some crazy women gets up and says do you think the Arabs are anti-Semitic? Now what kind of questioo is that? Do you get the significance of that? Arabs are Semites (laughter)NK: Let me put it this way. I’m Jewish. Do you hate me?CV: No. I don’tNK: Now there are about 5 million Jews in this country —CV: No, there are more than that.NK: Six million? How many?CV: Maybe about eight I’m not sure.NK: How many of these do you think are Communist?CV: I personally cannot say wliich of all those Jews are Communists, but I will say this. I’ve been to many Communist meetings and Communist front meetings. I’ve been outside of them and watched people go in and see who they were, and we have had some of our people join actual Communist groups -+ open Communist group?,, and the great majority of people whe are pushing this are Jowish.NK: What percentage of the Jews do you think are Communists?CV: I have no way of saying (Ceetteved m Page 11)