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Aiccoape from the Lords requested a copy of the Report on the subject the government of Roman Ca tholics i: foreign countriee SABER esid, the lcience would send an answer by meccengers of its own. Mr. Benner: = caid, he weoteld there were tra Come Missionera of the Property-tarz in the City of Landen receiving S002, ceyene, without choosing any appeals, elbow there were many antistermibed, cle then d for c return of thece appeals, ard of the coleries of oe Hibs Commissionere, _ fir Conner wanted to know if there was not on Lespectar of the Propectyeter in each County, with a celery ¢ C2 800L-0-yece hfe, TANSIOTART caid, that the Eien. Gentleman hed been misinformed ¢ many of these Inspectors hed sen tonceway... Hie hed no objection to lay accounts of ‘hore Of ed befire the Heucs, which were chillep’ up. é The mention was then agreed to. Sird. Nowcort gave Lotice of a motion on the sub ject of the Courte of dusties in Ireland. Lord Bad SALESTON moved for on Account of all camo of Money paid to the Printers of the Seated Uni versities, for the drawbeck on Peper, for the last seven years. hic. Percoupy caid, it was known that on the de thive of the Crown all Commissions in the Army and Navy must be renewed de great expence.to the hold eres he chould therefore give notice, that em next monday fortnight he would move for leave te -Zing in c BH! co cael! te all Persanc in Commission to held their Offices, if the survivor of the Crown should not object to then. _Linré Cocsumane said, he had a Petition to present from Glesson, signed by 18,000 persons, praying for Reform We read an extract of 2 letter, which stated, het the poverty in Scotland was so great that the people could not keep their children at school The Petition breathed language moderate and respectful ; but they attributed all their distress to a want of Reform, and excessive taxation. Ele was sorry to hear a Luttle Lord say, that a Marquis hed waited till he had the esc cuple of their gent, before he gave up part of its si necure. The Regent had given up what he received lve intimately from the people. There was no analogy be tween the holder of a sinecure and the person at the head of the Government. If we had datann Parliaments we should have no more selling of cents in that House, chic. WinBerrence thought the occasion on which his sinecure was granted should be considered, other wise prect injustice would be . one to Lord Camden. When that was granted, there was no node of granting a retired calary to Lord Chancellor. If ever there any men who obened his cplendid talents to support the liberties of his country, it was the late Lord Cam den. In memory of his great services, that piece was created ; and let thet be always kept in mind whenever hi is subject was alluded to. He had himself voted for an enquiry into this very sinecure ; but no man im 8 Gelerous mind would endeavour to run a low race for popularity, by reflecting on men who could not so easily give up their sinecures, because a person of ange property was able to do it. . i. ispovenal? said, that if Lord Camden, who re ceived this sinecure for services which nothing almost could compensate, had given it up, surely the considera tion must eink, deep in the minds of those who had ree ee their's for service, which no one he ever heard of. The catition was then brought up, and ordered to be on the tebls. GAME LAS. Sir . Ressinty rose to more for the repeal of an Act pesced late in the last Session of Parliament. Con sidering this an Act of extraordinary severity, he was desirous that the House should be made acquainted with the nature of it, for it put the attempt to destroy game on the footing of a felony, which was not so in any other case. The Act of Parliament enacted that any ungun ded person being found, at night, in any inclosed or opt place, with e@ net for the purpose of killing game, could be transported for seven years. Se wagas s en gine axony men of the crimes to which the ilegal de duction of game led; but the question was, whether the severity of such laws would not urge persons to go to the extremes of violence. The preamuie of the Act set forth that it was intended to prevent felonies and mur ders; now he would ask the House if the subjectiaz men to the same punishment who did not resist as those who resisted, was likely to prevent the commission of violerce. All our Penel Laws, except the Game Laws, postected the littl property of the poor as well as the rich ; and surely they would not mele each laws more severe. Weirdes, this Act made it right three quarters of an hour after the sun rises on the Ist of October , for even a qualified men might be transported who, with a gun inic hand, entered another man’s close before seven o'cloci: from the Set of October to the Ist of March. Country Magistrates were a very useful and respecable body ; set besides trusting them, he would not trust the dudges with each discretion as this Act gave. He hoped he would not be accused of a wish to innovate , or be twisted with the wisdom of his ancestors, since this law was but of seven months standing. Efe then moved for leave to bring vn a Bill to repeal the said Act. bic. F. Lewis looked upon the measure adopted last yeer, merely as a part of 2 system to be carried into effect during this Session, ¢¢ make Game be put on the come footing with other property. But he only consent ed to that part of i¢ which enacted, that persone found carried by night, for the purpose of killing Game, should be transported. [by the former law, they were to be sent to the army or navy , but they were very unequal invite punishment, as men unfit for the service could not be punished. Col. Weer said, he objected to this bill in the Com mittee; because he then considered they were beginning at the wrong end; and not going to the root of the evil. Fle tasef opinion, that as illegal Game was notoriously bought and cold in London, as everything else is, it would be much better to bring in 2 Bill to legalize the eve of ame, sire. Knearcupuns honed, that there would be no abivetion to the repeal of this Act, provided it was une verctood another should be brought in in its stead. This éet had been acted on; but never to the umof severity, hr. Ponsonsey said, it was not the intention of his ifon, and Learned Friend to prevent any Gentleman beinging in another Act, when the present was repealed, sir, Bantos moved, that the debate be adjourned, with a view of amending the Act, rather than repeal it. sir, Cunnen thought it unnecessary to adjourn the debate, for the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had shown sufficient reason why the Act should be repeale dé. The whole system of the Game Laws were most unjust, and he hoped come Hon. Gentleman would being in an Act to make Game private property. Mrr. G. Barnes ceid he had advised with an Hon. and Learned Friend of his (Horner) who had made no direction to it. Sir Mr. Repecy thought that the legalizing the sale of game would dminish poaching, by diminishing the profits of the poacher. Freeleo thought that fanning the game licences, by making the collectors more alert to the detection of poachers, would go far towards de stroying thet practice. Lie was against giving conuct prin to country Magistrates, who were for the most parties much interested in the preservation of the game. fir, Lachwart wes extremely anxious to have the present Act emended. Mr. Winpunronen considered that much of the Game Laws was in the highest degree unjust. But he objected to the legalizing the case of Games for if it were punishable to Lill Gems, it surely sould be made also punishable to call it. Colonel Weep explained. His object was to enable the Magistrates to Hesnes percena to call Game. Me. Huowsscott would not have agreed to this Bill if it had not had for its object to prevent persons armed from assembling at night in large parties, to the imminent danger of those who had the care of the Game. It was highly desirable that this Act should be amended, but he could not agree to its being repealed. Gen. Mrrcucne and Sir . Bryoces spoke in fa vour of 2 Bill making it punishable to carry arms by night—Leave was then given to bring the Bill to ree peal the Act. Sir §. Rotsiv moved for an Account of the num ber of Persons in Confinement, since May last, for of fences against the Game Laws.—Ordered. The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. Mr. Lususweron obtained leave to bring via Bill to reject the Acts now in force respecting Coffee. The Gibraltar Trade Bill went through 2 Committee. Report to-morrow.—Admverted. FRURSDZI LVF Y, FEBRUARY 13. Yesterday Papers and Letters from Montreal, in Canada, were received to the 5th of January. They contain accounts of the continuance of the unhappy dire pates between the rival Companies of Pur Traders, or Colonists, in Upper Canada. It may he assell to ree mind our leaders, that one of these parties is formed by the settlers and other servants of the Hudson's Bay Company, of whose interests Lord Selkirk has taken charge, as the chief Proprietor of that Company's Stock, and also as having embarked, from the most humane motives, in the doubtful speculation of colonizing the wilds of North America with the surplus population of the Flighlands of Scotland. Elis Lordship’s antagonists are the settlers of a New Company of Adventurers in the Fur Trade, calling themselves the North West Come pany. Between these parties, we are sorry to say, 2 civil war has long raged, character; for every individual concerned is, if nota to the disgrace of the British native, at least a subject of Great Britain. In October last, it will be recollected, Mr. Semple, the Governor of the Hudson’s Bay Company, and 20 of his people, were killed by a body of armed men in the pay of the North West Company; and to redress this lawless outrage, Earl Selkink, proceeded in percon, with as many followers as could be collected on the spur of the occasion. His Lordship, at the date of the lost ac counts, had taken into custody as a Magistrate the per sona accused of this outrage, and sent them to Montreal for trial, having previously possecced himself of the dice puted fort and territory, as the property of the tde can’s Bay Company. The Montreal Papers now accuse Lord Selkirk of opening an improper correspondence with the United States, from which, for the present, we are bound to withhold our belief. The fact is, that parties run high in Canada upon this topic, which must, sooner or later, be brought under the cognizance of the British Legislature. It is a melancholy truth, that the present race of fur traders in Canada are distinguished for a course of conduct extremely reprehensible; and this state of things will not, we trust, be permitted in any Colony which enjoys the honour of the British name, or exists under the egis of British protection. Besides, let it always be borne in mind that the chare ter to these Companies were granted by Government, expressly with a view to obtain, by their assistance, that great desideratum in commercial geography—a northe west passage to the eastern ceas. How far asociations thus privileged have contributed to this end, will be seen when the subject is brought fully before Parliament which we trust, for the sake of humanity, will speedily be the case. [From the Montreal Herald of the ¢th.7 ¢¢ We have been informed, that late accounts from Fort William have reached town, stating the arrest, on the 7th of November last, of the Right Hon. the Earl of Selkirk, and of the chief persons in iis employ, by means of warrants issued by the legal authorities of a sister province. We also understand, that is consequence of intelligence received from the Red Rivers, and other parts of the interior, being rather unfavourable to his Lordship’s original views, he had changed his plan of operations, and actually did endeavour to open a write ten communication from Fort William to the United States,” Earl Grosvenor gave notice in the House of Lords last night, of e Motion wich will bring at once bee fore that branch of the Legislature, the great topics which now agitate the public mind, end the discussion upon which, if it has no other good effect, will gratify the nation at large with a disclosure of the opinions of the Members of the Upper Exanse of Parliament, on the question of Parliamentary Reform. Lord Grooves nor’s intended motion embraces the four great cital points of the propriety of reducing our military esta blishment,economy and retrenchment—the abolition of sinecure places, and, though last not least—the great question of Parliamentary Reform. We repeat, that great national benefits will flow from, this discussion, be its result what it may. The British House of Peers possesses within ths walls, hundreds of Legislators not less distinguished for the splendour of their eloquence than for their cool, deliberate, and dispassionate habits of viewing every subjnct which comes before them many of them too, besides being deeply read in the history and constitution of their country, have, from ee, Lie combined ¢ ye and native indee pendence of mind, cheered clear of all econection with offee, and the opinions of this claso‘s! ‘States men must weigh cheaply on ail capable of cober and rational enquiry. Diesh of that diversity of opinion which has prevailed among’ Reformers—a reducing rancorous feelings towards each other among the better east—and neta cf ginlenes on the part of the Jogger Cate—=2nNG CEO Ci Yrotemes , one part of tng foe claccco, will in all probability disappear the instant tl Carty led and made known That come reform in the state of the Representation is necessary, seems to be universal ? 5 n ° . 3 ears of their Representatives are generally colleste admitted ; and all that the People want to enable them to co-operate cordially and efficiently in the great work, is some creed or outline emanating from the acknow ledged sages of the land. The great body of the People of this country are not so stupid to 20 suppose, that an itinerant tinker or bellows-mender can give them the best plea of Parliamentary Reform 3 and it is perhaps a matter of regret, that their legitimate Protectors, we mean the Members of both Houses of Parliament, have kept so much aloof from them during the late public discussions, they might at least have taken means to make their opinions known among those whose political faith it is their duty, by the Constitution, to direct. In the Eiouse of Commons last night the Marquis Camden’s resignation of his sinecure was again the sub ject of praise. Mr. Wilberforce took occasion to do jus tice, tn the memory of the great Earl Camden, to reward whose honourable and disinterested services to his coun try, the sinecure which han aa trachipus, or other became co obnezious now, was granted. Me. Brougham here quaints ly asked, if the feelings of the Noble Slarquis were solaced by the recollection of the public virtues and ser vices of his father, what must be the feelings of those Sinecurists who had no cueh pleasing recollection either of their own or their relatives ?
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