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Lethbridge Herald, The (Newspaper) - October 30, 1909, Lethbridge, Alberta fHl LITHMIOOI DAILY HlftALD, SATURDAY, 10, !HI. PAOB SEVEN LLOYD-GEORGE'S GREAT CALL TO BATTLE HIS SPEECH AT NEWCASTLE The Herald reproduces the follow-'al side of the House, and yet wo are Wales coalfield pays a million and a ing report of Lloyd George's recent, told that are all engaged at the pres- j nau per annum in royalties to just a great deliverance at Newcastle j cnt moment in destroying property fcw hundreds Rising at 'ten minutes to three and industry and riches. Why m ground rents. Let o'clock, Mr. Lloyd George was receiv- j they engaged in the operation And I one Qr twQ figurcs with round after round of cheers, here let me say this about these men friend Mr. Churchill w IJ show what ls done there' Did Any The audience sang "For He's a Jolly Good and this was followed by further rounds of applause. The Right Hon. Gentleman said Mr. Chairman, ladies and Minister in charge of a great Bill has no time to prepare speeches, and hare not come here to deliver a speech. I have just come here for a plain straight .the Budget, the opposition to it. and it last night in his You first of all, land not very you will find these rich men in .the rich agricultural land, rather poor House of Commons sitting up night agrici'ltural land, and they discovered after night, risking health, some of them most advanced in years, and property to somebody who has coal there. The landlord leases the the I! what for To pass a measure which j necessary enterprise and capital for taxes them to the extent of hundreds, the purpose of development. The land- maybe thousands of pounds a year. All honor to them. (Cheers.) That is the kind of rich men one honors the prospects of both. (A Voice I (hear, is prepared to make sacrifices, and therefore you may take it from me that the Liber- lord himself does not sink any capi- tal in these properties. It is only in very rare exceptions that you find it. Somebody else works it, some- body else faces the risk of loss, and the landlord takes sixpence a ton in al party is not a party that is likely the way of, royalties. (Shame.) Then "Hear, and laughter.) It is .six years since I had the privilege of addressing a gathering in this thea- tre, and have some recollection that then I dwelt upon the great burden j on industry and upon property in this employ workmen for the purpose o imposed upon industry by ground I country. (Hear, hear.) All we ask j carrying on your mining operations for is that wealth shall pay its fair j and the workmen must have homes to engage in a mere wanton war vou come to the surface. You must After Suffering Tortures For Years, This Lady Found Happy Relief In "Fruit-a- Out., June nth, 1908. "I received most wonderful benefit from "Fruit-a-tiveg." I mffered for from and pain ia the back, and I consulted doctors and took every remedy obtainable without any relief. Then I btgan taking "Fruit- and thia wai the only medicine that ever did me anr real good. I took several boxes altogether, and aow I am entirely well of all my dreadful hetd- achei and backaches. landlords and the royalty sug- (hear, I then mildly gested that it was about time they should contribute something out of share. (Cheers.) We are simply seek-! So they start building, and the land to establish in an Act of Parlia- j lord says, "Yes, certainly, by al 0__ a very old friend and -honored means you may build, but you have their wealth towards the necessities! fiscal principle, that the men should j got to pay a ground and there of the State. (Hear, hear.) I come j contribute to the needs of the State j is land now leased in these valleys in here to-day, six years afterwards, to as God has prospered them. (Cheers.) (South Wales for though even tell you it'will be done, and in a But why should there be. all within living memory-it may -be on- few years. (Loud cheers.) The Bill this anger, all this fury, against fly a few years ago-in some cases it is through all its most troublesome stages, and it has emerged out of its forty days and forty the. these who are seeking to establish a rather strengthened and improved. Yoi1 cannot apply any great prm ciple or set of principles without ne- cessary hardships. We have done our best to meet every hard case that was presented to have done our best, and done it amidst the taunts .of the very people 'who upon us whenever we listened to J have had to do for five months. With your permission, he continued. I will proceed! to examine the main objection to my proposals, and I may have to make- some draft on your pa- tience. What was the chief charge against the Budget by its opponents? That it is an attack on industry and an attack on property. I am going to demonstrate to you that it is neither. (Cheers.) It is very re- markable that since this attack on in- dustry was first promulgated in the House of Commons trade had im- proved. (Hear, hear.) It is begin- ning to recover from the great crash which first of all came from America, the country of high tariffs (hear, it has improved steadily. It has not quite recovered. It will take some time for the operation, but it is better. Industries which were making losses last year arc beginning to make profits this year. The im- ports and the exports have gone up during the last few months .by mil- lions. (Hear, hear.) Industrial in- vestments have 'been steady, tbere has been on the whole an im- piovement. even in brewery share.-.. Only one stock has down has been ereat slump ia dukes. (Laughter au-i chccis.) They used to stand rather in tbo es- Pfojally in the Tory market, 'but the Tory has discovered that they in..: of no vtlue. (Laughter.) Oas xulty duke made a speech, aiui all the Tory Press said. now, really, is that the. sort1 of thing we are spending a year upon because a fully-equipped duke costs as much to keep up as two and are just as great a newed they last long- er. (More laughter.) As long as they were contented to -be mere idols. (A Voice: "As long as women were contented to be mere and up- roar, in the course of which the in- terrupter was My only re-; gret is that I must take up a little more of your time. andj cheers.) I was talking about dukes. the Budget Well, now, I will tell' produced only a shilling an acre, the you. There are two classes who real-' landlord is getting thirty and forty pounds per acre per annum simply for the permission to build a few cot- tages upon They are able to build ly detest the Budget. The first are complete change in the fiscal system of this country to tax food, and' tiev on lease, and in about sixty years know that once this Budget is j the whole of this land will fall into through there is an end to their de-j the landlords' hands. Taking the sired opportunity. (Cheers.) The tax I Rhondda -Valley, one of the best coal- will be on the right shoulders, and fields in Soi-th Wales, in the year thev cannot shift it. There is a sec- j 1851 the total population of the val- ley was only a thousand. To-day the our1 and j think a most powerful class, who are the great landlords of population is one hundred and thirty- this country. Why do they object two thousand. The landlords receive Wbv are they angrier about the land j annually two hundred thousand the! pounds in royalties. They receive taxes than about any part of Budget Taxes That Will Grow The first reason is they are taxes that will grow. (Hear, hear.) They thirty thousand pounds a year in I ground rents. The colliery proprie- tors there, pay in rates fifty-four thousand pounds a year. The land- only start at -lords do- not pay a penny. (Shame.') and a good start too. But year by There was case to me the year they are bound to grow. The other day of a company which had increment duty will grow, the rever- sunk Sood deal of money m sion duty will grow, the mineral dut- operations, and they sent me their ies will grow, the increment duty is balance sheet. I find their profits are bound to grow with the growth of annum-the profits of last prosperity of this cointry, and that I won't say per annum-and is a certainty. (Cheers.) As you Ket what do you think they paid to the an advance in science, and an advance j landlords in royalties? in education, it strengthens and de- 1 This company paid in rates. velops the intelligence of the people They made a profit of And and directs it. As you get an ad- the landlords got more than vancc in the international ideas about the profits and the rates together. hear) so the wealth and yet they do not contribute ..a which is produced by the industry of Penny to the rates of the the people is allowed to accumulate. (Shame) -and when I come along and the harvest is not trampled down and say, "Here, gentlemen, you have by -the ravages of war. (Hear, hear. escaped long (Cheers) ;-it is The prosperity of Britain is assured your turn now. I want you to pay d the growth of the prosperity assured. As it grows the value and is Just five per cent, on of odd." "Five per cent.' .the taxes will j me, "you are a and not merely are the riches in this arc you are an attorney country growing but there are more (Loud of all, von rich people. Year by year wealth is are (Renewed', laughter and when'and cheers.) That Always us the W-bll, genilenien, I accommoda-' don't I more donM: mind telling you that if 1 could well" I would not." (Cheers.) I. am proud the hills. getting better distributed, a man acquires wealth -he wants, not crowning epithet. merely better housing tioa, but more elbow room, and for recreation purposes as as for and it is not mere- of the iittle land v the wealthier sections of the com- (Cheers.) (Latghter.) As long as they -were contented to be mere idols on their pedestals, preserving that stately si- lence which because their rank and their intelligence (laughter) all went well, and the average British citizen rather looked up to them and said to himself, "Well, if the worst came to the worst for this old coun- try, we have always got the dukes to fall back on." (Laughter.) "But then came the Budget. They stepped off their perch. They have been scold- ing like omnibus drivers, purely be- cause the Budget cart has knocked a little of the gilt oft their old stage coach. (Laughter.) Well, we cannot munity the working classes are de- manding better homes too. (Hear, hear.) They are not satisfied with .he dull grey street of the past. (A :oice: and They don't claim for palaces, but .hey are tired of Walbottles. (Laugh- er and cheers.) They are not satis- fied with promises merely that the lousing problem will be settled for hem .on the other side of the Valley they have ob- erved that some of the people who nsist most on that are also people who chose the best sites on this side of the Valley, and they are asking for more air, more light, more room, more verdure, more sunshine, to re- cruit energies exhausted in toil, .and they will get I believe this Budget will help them to get it. How the New Taxes Will WorK I should like to give you a few il- lustrations by way of showing to you how the new Budget taxes will work, I will take you first of all on a trip to my own country. Some of you may know the South Wales coal- field. Not so very long ago it ,was a very wild, unproductive country, most of it common land. Landlords' Par- liaments soon handed over, the prop- erty to the great landlords when they among But there is one thing put- them back again. That is the on- discovcred there minera! value in ly property that has gone down bad- it At the present raOment the Softh ly in the market. AH the rest has) improved. The prospects of trade are better, and that is the result of a great agitation which describes the Budget as an attack on industry and on property. Liberalism and Property Well, now. why should Liberalism be supposed to be ready to attack property Whenever you go across country you see men building up trade" and businesses, some small, some great, by their industry, by their skill, by their energy, and by their enterprise, not merely maintain- ing themselves and their families, but putting something by for evil days- hundreds of thousands of them, not all of them, I don't say that, but hundreds of thousands of them belong to .the Liberal "party. richest men in the House of happen to sit on the Libcr- should like to say whenever they hurl my nationality at my head. I say to them, "You" laugh- ter and Phari- sees, you are the people who in everv not on every case, they have only got always talk about our being one kith and kin throughout the Empire, from the old man of Hoy in the North down to Van Dieman's Land in the South, and yet if any man dares to aspire to any position, if he does not belong to the particular nationality which they have dignified hy chooses their parents and they have no .use for him." Well, they have got to stand the Welshman this time. (Cheers.) A Concrete Case I have been inquiring into what is happening in England recently. (Hear, Landlords have no nation- ality. Their characteristics are cos- mopolitan. (Laughter.) The case was given me the other day, from York- shire of all places in the and, as it illustrates practically every tax which I propose in my budget, if you can stand it, I will tell you this as I have it on the authority of the managing di- rector of the concern, well, he is re- sponsible- It is the story of a dis- trict in Yorkshire which, four or-five years ago, was purely agricultural. KATON I take "FrtrH-a-tivea" eccarteaally but I am ence." So "he allowed them to do it. He said, "I will only charge you sixpence a ton .on all the coal that comes up." They said, "What about surface "Ah, certainly, I will sell you any surface land you want or the purpose for a consideration.." 'Well, what do you want they said. "You. are receiving now 15s. 6d. an.acre, what will you want from us he said, an acre." Then ;they said to him, "We must iring workmen here, and as there are no cottages we-shall have to'build them, and we propose building a mo- del said these mining invest- they have built one of the most beautiful model villages in the Kingdom they said, "Will you .allow us to build a ew cottages "Certainly. I shall want a small r an moderate, and am not holding this landlord up to illory him. He is really a most moderate landlord. The land was at 5s. 6d. and he.charges Well, hat is only eighteen times the value if the land. I caa give you cases cent, for the first time will come to the state. (Hear, hear, and a Voice: "Too The land and which is" nominally agricultural land, but which is really "now valu- able land, will pay 'a halfpenny in the pound. When it is sold we will get twenty per cent, on the increase when the landlord passes away to another sphere shall get then the dead rent. (Loud laughter.) Twen- y per cent, on the increase. More -han that, we have another little pro- We have considered his case When these cottages fall n, and his heir comes and walks in or the whole of this beautiful and j model model landlord of j a model State will then under this Budget say, 'Very well, if you really must take all that pro- perty, I think we had better get a toll of ten per cent, off At any rate we shall be able to- do some- thing for the people who live in these cottages. We have got a little pro- vision. He has only leased one seam of coal. They have discovered, I think, four seams. Some day the other three seams will probably be leased. The five per cent, only ap- plies to existing collieries. (Laugh- ter.) We shall then ask from him. not five per cent, oft'he royalty, but twenty per cent. (Loud cheers.) Where is the injustice there? (Cries of I "agree with you. (Laughter.) I have 'been listening to criticism for five months, and they could not point out a single injustice in it. They simply scolded at large. Let me call attention, to one pro- vision in this lease because it casts a stran-ge, almost a weird, light upon the landlord's ideal of rural life in this country. There is a clause in lease of the villages that no per- son shall reside in any of these cot- tages if they have ever been con- victed of an offence against the game laws. (Cries of per- son shall lodge there if be has been convicted of a" game offence. No per- son shall lodge there if the landlord or his agent has any objection to them. And this is a free country! Here is a poor miner who is guilty of what? of doing some- thing the landlord spends -his. life in Voice: "Go on, followed by laughter and and which I have done myself many a a House of Commons which he thought was against the proposal He said: "This tax is an unjust one, it is an oppressive one, it interferes with industry." That is the tax of five per cent, which I proposed in mining royalties. He said, "Do you know how much it will cost per ton of steel? and he began working it out. You required limestone ore and so many tons of coal, and we had a five percent, tax on. royalty on each, and he said: "That comes to six- pence per ton on tax on mining that interferes with the competition with the for- eigner." We pointed out to'-him that in the first place we did not tax the industry at all, but simply taxed those who did tax industry. (Cheers.) We pointed .out to him that five per cent, was only a twentieth, and, if our taxes upon royalties came to six- pence, the royalties -must have been ten shillings, and if a penny tax upon steel is going to interfere in our com- petition with the foreigner, what will ten shillin-gs do? (Cheers.) As a matter of fact, it is .not against for- eign 'tariffs that we want 'to be pro- tected. W-hat we want is protection against the landlord's tariff. and cheers.) Lansdowne's Mutinous Crew. Well, now, we are going to send the Bill up, all the taxes or none. (Loud and prolonged the Lords do? cheers.) What I will tell rhere landlords have charged thirty, j in Wales. (Renewed not a Flaw m a orjTuto of EDDY'S WARE Nftrdntd. Luting MM, ExclMlve arc too, wkra you Pooltivtljr All Ml ytp. ttktar orty, even a hundred times the value of the land. This man has been most moderate, Only eighteen times its val- ue. Then he said to them, "There is fish pond rather, near your model -illage. I don't think it will be vorth much afterwards, whatever its worth now, so I think you had 'better ;ake he said to the mining specu- ators. They said, "All right; it will >be rather good sport to fish eith- r for trout or he said, "I am getting for t now I will let you have it for ighteen guineas a year." Cheap Weil, they started. They spent half a million without knowing what would happen. It was a real speculation, a real risk. They took it on, spent half a million, discovered the and the land owner is get- ting royalties now at the rate of nearly twenty thousand per annum. is getting, in addition to the four pounds per annum for revery acre of land on the surface used by the col- liery, six to ten pounds per annum, per acre for all the cottages there. He charges four pounds per annum for tipping rubbish and ten pounds per annum for workmen's and he is making a good thing out of it, a very good thing. Now, they were" pros- pering, and getting more and more coal, and in a very short time will be paying per annum for this land for uhe royalties alone, but the landlord never having spent a penny upon wrote to him and said, "We want more ground to build cottages on." He said, "Cer- tainly, for per land for agricultural pur- poses being worth per acre, and the landlord getting half his rates paid out of the general taxation of the country in respect -to the fact that it is agricultural land. Well, now, what happens He said to them, "I will let you have this land at per acre, he I am sure this will commend itself to every temperance man in this house public-house is to.be Gentlemen, that is all right. (Some cheers.) Oh, I beg your pardon. Hero is another sentence "without the consent of the hmd- laughter.) What happens Not .merely is he to be fined, but he js to be deprived, as far as this gentleman is concerned, of the opportunity for all time of earning a decent living for himself and his family. All I can say is that a provision of the sort in any lease is an outrage. (Cheers.) To Benefit Aged Workers I am sorry to have detained you. (A voice: "Go I have just giv interjection: of I am coming to them, coming by stages. Well, now. these are the taxes. I defv any .it. in anywhere to say that is any i. justice in taxing men under these cc-diti-hs when the State ired- -the money. We want money for the de- fence of ths country, to provide ten- sions for the old people who rave been spending their lives in tilling the soil at a very poor pittance, in sinking those mines, risking their lives, and, when they are old. don't want to starve them, or to hu- miliate -them, and we say what bet- ter use can you make of weaUh than to use it for the picking up the broken, healing, 'curing the sick, bringing.a little more light, comfort, and happiness to the aged. (Loud cheers.) Rich men ought to feel honored'that Providence has given them the Chance to put a little into the poor "box, and since they won't do it themselves, we have got to do it for them. (Laugh- ter.) I have another illustration showing how these taxes on landlords really burden industry. The other day in the house of Commons there was a speech delivered when I pro- posed to tax mining royalties by a gentleman called Sir John (some by the way, it is a very significant and interesting les- son for you in Newcastle. The gen- tleman got into the House of Com- mons and made the speech against mining royalties purely through a 'split in the party. The candidate who was opposed to him was. in fav- or of taxation of mining royalties, in fact he has been working harder than almost anybody for the Budget League, Mr. Frederick Guest. Sir John Randies made a speech in possession and power, it was not be interfered with. As long as it se- cured even their sports from intru- sion and made interference with them a crime, as long as the Constitution forced royalties and ground rents. and Tees, premiums, and 'fines, the black routine" of exaction, the black routine of writs and summonses, and injunctions and distresses and war- rants to enforce then the Con- stitution was inviolate, it was sacred it was something that was put in the same- category as religion, that no man ought to touch, and something that .the chivalry of the nation ought to range in defence of. But the mo- ment the Constitution looks round. the moment the Constitution begins to discover that there are millions of people outside the park gates who need (hear then the Constitution is to be torn to pieces. Forcing A Revolution Let them realize what they are do- ing. (Cheers) They are forcing a revo lution. (Hear, hear, and a Voice: "And they will get Though the Lords may decree a revolution it is the people who will direct it. (Cheers.) If they begin, issues will be raised that they little dream of. (Cheers.) Questions will be asked which are now whispered in humble, voices and answers will be demanded then with authority. The question tiien will be asked, "Why five -hund- red men, ordinary 'men, accidentally from among the uncmp (laughter should over ride the of millions of peo- A-ho are engaged in the industry which maker-- the wealth of the coun- (Hear, hear.) That is one question. Another will be, "Who ordained a few should have the land of Britain as a perqui- site, who made ten thousand people owners of the soil, and the rest of us trespassers in the land of our birth? (Cheers.) Who is it who is respon- the scheme of things where- by one man is engaged through life n grinding labor to win a bare and precarious subsistence for -himself, nd, when at the end of his days he claims at the hands of the commun- ity he serv-ed a poor pension of eight- pence a day, he can only get, it through a revolution; and another man, who does not toil, received ev- ery hour of the day, every hour of the night, whilst he slumbers, more than his poor neighbor receives in a whole year of toil? Wliere did the table of the law come from? Whose finger inscribed it? These are the questions, that will be asked. Tfie answers are charged with -peril for the order of things the Peers repre- sent, but they are draught with rare and refreshing fruit for the parched lips of the multitude who have been treading the dusty along the people have marched through the tablished about the British constitu- dark ages, which are now emerging tion, it is this, 'that the Commons, i into the light. and the Commons alone, have the i The right hon. gentleman, who had complete control of supply and ways j risen at ten minutes to three, resum- and means. (Hear, hear.) And what led his seat at 4.25, the finish of his our fathers established through cen- i turies of struggles and of strife, even j you frankly that it is a matter which concerns them far more than it con- cerns us. (Hear, irresponsible and feather-headed am- ongst to throw it out. but what will the rest do? It will depend on the weather. (Laughter.) There are some who are not fair-weather sailors, and thev will go on. But poor Lord Lans- his creaky old ship and his mutinous he is. He has got to sail his creaky old ship and his mutinous the narrows with an eye on th-e wea- ther the other on the forecastle. (More laughter.) But it does not depend on him. It will depend, in the first place probab- ly, on the reports from the country. The most important gentleman in the business is not Lord Lansdowne, with all -his adroit management of the House of Lords; not even Mr. Bal- four, with Ms invaluable services to party. The real sailing master is Sir Arthur Acland Hood, the chief whip of the Tory and the An- cient is en- gaged at the present moment in try- ing to decide whether it is safe to shoot the albatross. He would "pro- bably not discover it until too late. But still this is the great Con- stitutional party, and if there is one thing more than another better es- being greeted by loud and pro- -longed cheering. Sir Christopher of bloodshed, we are not going to be j Furness, M.P., proposed the Budget traitors to. (Loud cheers.) Who League's resolution, which was sec- talks about altering and meddling onded by Mr. Edward and with the Constitution? The Consti- j carried with enthusiasm. The meet- tutional party the great Constitu- in-g closed with a vote of thanks to tional party. (Laughter.) As lone the chairman, .to which Dr. Spence as the Constitution gave rank and WatsOn was one of the speakers. To take your niraisat the on- ly all-round white Restaur- ant in Leth- bridge THE ALEXANDRA CAFE ASK FOR OUR FRESH SPRING CHICKEN And Eggs, also .Vegetables and! Home Grown Suckling Pigs and Pork from our farm. It is for yon. Ali'o Freth Ojsttri in teason. any ttylii to suit your taste. N, H. MURRAY, Prop. ;