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Lethbridge Herald, The (Newspaper) - June 15, 1912, Lethbridge, Alberta Saturday, Jum> 15, THE LI5THBIMDGKjDATLYIIEKAM) Page. 3 You can get a lot for your money if' on this page Public Meeting Brings Concessions From Co. (Continued from-front Opposition in Evidence The meeting was not all one sided. There was opposition at times and It was strenuous. It was an opposition too, which got at the root of (roubles wero shown to exist, and which aimed to remedy those troubles. And so lar as they were pointed out, and the company's representative bad it in their to grant concessions feeling a remedy, a solution was found which, may or may not bo adopted, according as maturer deliberation may decide advisable. The meeting was well attended in spite of the rather stormy evening; and it was a representative gathering of ratepayers .in every respect. The members of the council hoard were rather conspicuous by their absence, and it fell to the lot of II. A. McKil- vice-president of the Board of Trade, to act as chairman. Bain Speaks John Bain was the first called on to ttate tho company's side of the case, and did so in a brief, clear mnnn-er. Hte remarks have already been dealt with to some length in the Herald on former occasions, but owing to the general interest In the gat. question they are given again. So far as he could see, he .said, there were three main questions-rule, ed, which he would try to answer. They wel-e. 1. Why do we not stay by .our con- tract which we already have with the city' 2 Why does not the city get gas by means of a municipal well? 3. Is the price we are asking a fail- one'' To answer' the first question Mr. Bain went back the hlstoiy of the natural gas proposition in Alberta, told of how tethbrldge had spent sev- eral thousand dollars five years ago in drilling for.gaa but without success, and h'ow, two ..or three years later some Calgary gentlemen, stj ling them- selves the Gas Co., had come, to Lethbridge and asked for a franchise- to deliver gas to the city by August 1, 1913, which franchise Tvas granted, and how, after this com- rmny had in dril- ling for gas in the vicinity of Calgary they had been forced to abandon tho proposition. of_ funds The and haying fouria gas. found it neces- sary to buy up that franchise already granted In order that they might ob- tain a market. But as for any bad features In that contract, either from the standpoint of the company or the city, the company could not be bold responsible. That WUB the reason they were coming to the people and asking for an amendment to the franchise. As for tiie possibilities of getting natural gas as a municipal enterprise, he said that, he thought that a very laudable desire, but would leave Mr. Cos'te to deal with the technical side of the question as it was really a matter of controversy among experts as to.whether be fouiid In the Lethbridge field or not. However, be explained at some length that Mr. Costc, one time C; P. R. geologist., had been asked by the company to explore the natural H was not highly considered by the llritlsh capitalists. That disposed of the three ques- tions most often asked, and he be- lieved lh.'it the company was entitled to some consideration Ironv their standpoint. However, he had 'heard it said that I.i'thhridge, being nearer the base of gas supply, should he given cheaper rates than Calgary. He answered this criticism by stat- ing that the pipe tine had originally been built for Calgary, and that Lethbridge was therefore merely an incident along the line. If the line been built for" Lethbridge alonu, it would hayp. been mei' eight- inch main from How Island. Under circumstances the company felt that it would save a great deal ot trouble both for the cities and the company if ihe rates were the same. They could not be as a. com- mon carrier as a raihvay. and a grad- ed rate for ihe various points on the lie would therefore not apply. Have the Price far as the possibility of pass- gas fields oi Alberta, which be up in case tl.c'am- nnally locating a very strong flow micA franchise is turned down, Mr. long the line that they Bain said tho market was increasing so rapidly expected very soon to at Bow Island. Jlr. Costs had then been asked to form a company and take the matter up as a commercial promotion, and it was then lhelr h (o the present Lethlmdge towns and cities thei already bought _ [had a franchise, m which case would be foolish to sell below mar- Raise In Prices Necessary Having tbe commodity, it was neces- tary to get a market'before the) could go to England or other money markets to get the necessary capital to form a company to handle the commodity. He assured-the .audience that owing to the speculative >hlcfe prise of any natural gas proposition it was impossible to go to England Choicest Land in British Columbia THE CALIFORNIA OF CANADA SUCCESS comes to the man who through-the present. Into tho future., acres for sale. Will sell from 160 acres up. Price per acre. Terms, per acre ctish. per annum at 6 per cent. We furnish you with surveys and field notes of mery Quarter section, given by Owe McGregor, Government laud Victoria, B. C. Oi.r land'Is personally selected acreage, anil our price at the present time is iiulto a little below any other company, 'handling large bodies1 In that vicinity. The fact that we have sold some acres at retail on government reports arid government surveyors soil notes, demonstrates the demand for this land. The T. H. Stagg Land Co. Boom 1-6 Johnson Blk. 323 5th St. S. Upstairs GOOD INVESTMENTS 4 corner lots on 3rd Ave: .South, cash, balance in S and" 1 2months 2 lots on Gth Avenue A. 3 lots, 2 blocks from new post office site..' each. Good section three and one-half miles from townsitc, on 5Yey- burn line, only 512.50 per at least 52.50 under market value. Weber-Huff Investment Co. SUITE 10, ALBfiRTA BLOCK ket puce that for the) already Iiad a market. As to the comforts, of using gas over coal or other fuel, the spcakci said he would leave that- to be an swered by the wives of the voters. Technical Explanation Mr. C'oste, president of the corn- an-d raise money unless there was aipany, .went into the question from a chance for a higher rate of return ipchmtal standpo nl, and toot up on the monej imestcd than it' it'had j the question of power and cost been somr other sort of busmcis .fuel, explaining ihe advantages of That raise Fact had compelled them to'ijas from a standpoint of economy to Ihe butRCsscs of Calgars to Vutli gas at 20 cents for raanufac ihe rates from filtcen and luting and 35 cents for domestic use, twenty-five cents for.-power, icstic gas respectively to twenty cents and 'thirty-five cents, as Letll bridge voters are being asked now Unless Calgary had .granted that re- quest, and liv a large niajontj, Mr Bain1 assured the audience, that the money to bring gas to Lethbrldge or Calgary u ould never have been rais- jireseht gas' company had found for at the mcieased prices To Loan on First Mortgage Do you want of it? The agent of the company that has it will be in our office for a few clays, cme in and see him. F. C. Lowes Co. Balmoral Blk. Lethbridge Best Buy in City 66 2-3 feel x 215 feet in Block H, fronting on 3rd Ai enue South, l-itli small house, renting at ?12.00 per month at caih, balance 6, 12 and 18 months. EXCLUSIVE LISTING BY R. V. Gibbons Co., Balmoral Block Improved Farm 620 Acres, 10 miles from Lethbridge, 1 mile from Wilson Siding 330 acres in barley. Price 5-10.00. Good terms. W.McDTAIT Raymond, Alta. Look These Over! 3 lots, well situated, facing north on 7th Are. South, (Rivcrview) 1-3 cash, bal. 4 and 8 months Cash 92 125 fl. corner of 5th St. and 7th Avo. S. frontage on 5th St. 92 feet, Snap, Good (onus. L S. Ripley Co. I PHONE 1034. BLOCK. the average fuel bills in Lethbridge would be cut in the proportion of 100 to 60 He arrned at'this by the statement there aie 1100 British thermal units in one cub-c foot ol nat'iial gas, compared to cubic loot .oE coal case the proportion of heating qual- of ilio two be as 110 t-o fit! Getting it down to practical basis, he told of a house in Calgary, which burned -reel of artificial gas in, a month, paying per thousand, paid -to-the com- pany for th-e month. Nine-thousand feet of natural gas would have ;heeii just as efficient, have cost about less fifth, rates ivoiild be cheaper, too, amT he believed that twelve dollars per horse powei per annum be the cost of power tc useis m Leth- bridge, whereas the Hydro-Electric Commission in r furnishes power to the city "and in Cal- ory electric powei is pel horse power per annum Natural gas as a commodity is past the experiment stage, 'the natural gas companies of the United States, sell- ing last'year over worth of their product. The company is prepared to deliver gas to the city, within ten days after the vote is taken. It will be on "the river in two days As for the chances for finding ga in the Lethbrklge' field, Mr. Cost went into a technical Discussion of the chances, declaring .that loss than one thousandth -of .1 per cent. of Alberta was underlaid with 'gas, fund if the company could have found gas near here they would have done so. He evidently believed that chances were slim in this "direction. Mr. Bain then went. Into tin changes 'which .had been made in the old -franchise for the of the contract for both parties. .Those changes have been set forth at length in these vide for the right of the city "to'ab- solutely contiol the streets, to de- mand the supply of 00 per cent of (ho LIIJ s luiiunemeiits and also piovid- ing for the right to purchase' at'' the end of fifteen years with .optional re- newals for three-year periods After several questions ,of more or less importance had passed between the audience and 'Mr. .Bain, Dr. Gal- braith asked if .the company; intended to take.up the old "franchiso in case tho amended frahchiss were turned down. Mr." Bain answered that the' company nulst reserve the right to ;lecide that after1 the ratepayers had given their decision on the question now. before them. W. C. Ives in Opposition Mr. AV." C. Ives ,then asked permis- sion to discuss the problem from the floor of the meeting. This was ed, niyl he launch-ad intc an array of Ihe questions before the ratepayers under the new franchise which must lie considered before the citizens should make a final decision. He said he was not discussing the matter as n lawyer but oa n ratepayer, as the man who will have to foot the and as the ma" who .will have the question before him not only now but fifteen from now. SPLENDID BUILDING LOTS 2 lots on Wpstminster Road, close to A dams' Park; right at, car terminus; Only cash, balance per month each. Nortk Letkbridge Realty Co. PHONE 636 An Exceptional Offer 5 on 15th St. .South, ;only, balance to suit purchaser. x Alberta-British Columbia Land Co. Ltd. 'kj 10 721 "b. L. KIMBAU-, Manager He said that the. amended .franchise was far and >av, a-r'beitei than the old franchise granted three yeais ago Ihe'lotter ccndaci he characterized, as, the moat-rotten agreem-ent er acceded to bj the of anj community 1 ing been asked to grant anothei -fran- chise, let 'the piofit past experience and discuss il before it was granted, instead of calling down maledictions after they had done the. damage. It was not a mat- er to be stampeded in, but one .which will be regietted for fifteen 3ears 01 more if a mistake is Blade now. As to the price, he .understood from Mr Bain's remarks on past occasions ,hat the companj expected to get all .heir capital returned in ten 3 ears n that case he thought the franchise should a piovlsion calling in a reduction in the price gas at the end of the ten-year term Mr Bain, however, objected, and said he had made no such asertion, and the mat- ter was dropped. v Purchase Clause .Faulty However, taking matter the right, to purchase at, the end fifteen jeais, the speaker said that in'his opinion the franchise was prac- tically perpetual. The clause relat- ing to purchase states that the city shall 'purchase all the company's as- sets at the end of that time Including the pipo line and the other equipment within the city.. In. that case the city would need to have a fairly large bank roll. The representatives ol the company, entered an objection, .but on reading the clause published it was found as stated Mr Ives said he knew what it was meant .to con- vey, but it was just such oversights which. :led to law ,suits and that clause will have to be Amended. But'Whtit is the purchase privilege worth? At the end of. the fifteen- year period the city will purchase the plant of the company within-the city limits under a purchase clause. in which the cost is arrived at in a way entirely satisfactory to the city. But when they purchase the plant, what will the city have 'but a lot of empty pipes? 'Where will they get gas to put In them, and supply-the needs of tbe citizens? There is not a word in the fiatichise making it imperative on Uie .company that thcy_ supply the city's needs, and with-no gas In sight, the'city will have just so much scrap Iron on its hands. He thought there should be a clause inserted forcing the company to sell gas to the city at a certain price. Will Give Up Exclusive Franchise .That was tho main "objection to the franchlso ns it now stands, but this was overcome along 'with minor ob- the representatives of the company agreeing to the insertion of clause which allows .competition to come in after the iflfteen-year period. Mipreb> doing with (ho fr.inchHe after that dale, whether or not the company relnlned tholr plant in tho fcifj. It n big concession and wdrui holding the meeting many time fa oxer to galo. The matter of pou er rates also came m for some attention Mr Ivei thought that as Mr 'Coste had'made the statement that gas produce BON ei for S12 per annum, ho should be ttilling to insert a clause In the fmng a maximum rate of fif- teen dollars, uhlah left a good margin {he twelve dollar rate quoted Mi. Coate objected to tiiis on the ground that some engineers are more u asteful of gas than othei s, and some engines take more gas per horse po'tver than, other makes, and- that such a clause at the mercy of the power users But Mi Ives held that Lethbridge was after ministries, and that it was absolutely necessary that thej get down to'brass tacks-in the matter of vihich is the "basis oC the argument to manufacturers lie be liovcd that the city of Lethbridge Ehould 'be fvble to say to manufactur- ers: "There is power to be obtained at Lsthbridge for ?15 per annum or loss Hole ale the figures to piove it." Th-e representatives of the company said that in fairness to themselves they could rtot promise that as there were too many important questions whicli governed the cost at which a manufacturer could produce power from gas No Other City Gets Bettsr f The speaker wanted" to be assured also that no other city would he given gas for power at a rate than Third Avenue Business 3 lots block 14 Revenue Producing ASQUITH LINDSEY i lieal Estate Financial Brokers H PHONE NOS. 1183, 1210, 1007. DOMINION BIOCK. The H. MACBETH AGENCY LOANS, FIRE INSURANCE .REAL.ESTATE i SHERLOCK BUILDING, LETHBRIDGE "An .Old Eitabllshed Firm of Good- Repute." Money to Loan, Fire and Life Insur- ance and Automobile Insurance Alberta Loan and Investment Co., Limited 1 1214 Parkdale Parkdale Acre lot for easy terms. Can be sub- divided into 12 building lots. The C. B. Bowman Agency nCADIA BLOCK. RHONE 1321. Must Be Sold 'All of Section 7, Kange 18 Nine miles east ot Stirling, one and one-half miles from -new'sta- tion. 90 acres In oats, a miles, of fence Good dirt. 0. T. LATHROP Farm Stafford Block" Let'hbmlge lHe did not want to sc some othei town or cit> on the line granted concessions in the matter o lower rates which benefit tha citj industrially to the detriment o Lethbiidgc He wanted a clause m serted to cover the point. t The representatives of conv paiiy held that was the. very-reason hey electors .etubridge at the tirefe cause'they did not want to discrimin- ate between two points being sepec by their line They wanted to bo treated alike, and therefore had to ask Lethbridge to raise' the pi Ices set forth in the old franchise Mr. said, howevei, that he wanted It in black and white and hjs point was finally can led. othei questions werp asked by other gentlemen in the audience, but all were on matters of did not affect the fianchise materi ally.___ will be the city solicitor to the con- cessions agreeed upon last night In eluded-in the -franchise before it .goes to the people, and other amendments which mav be found advisable m the meantime 'will be considered-; by the solicitors for the city and the com- pany so that thing possible may For inside residential or subdivision property see MITFORD COMPANY 160 acres first-class land, only four miles fiom the City of Loihbridgc. All fenced, and 50 acres in crop ,small house. Suitable to subdivide into gardens. Sacrifice Price; per acre For ierms apply to The Cascaden Land Co. Phone 1058.. Office Macdonild Building. be" done to safeguard the public in- teiests In this, one of the most 'ini-i portant questions which' has been fore the people of Lethbridge for many years r Snap! Two lots' on' .Are., 3rd and1- 4th from 13th S., will Sell for; if' taken at once. Owner il leaving town. Part cash, balance arranged. Chas. Donbroske 9Q3-7th Avenue South v Exclusive Listing Six room fully Modern House on 7th Avenue very easy terms HOUSES TO EENT TO The Dowsley Mulhern Land Co. Sherlock Bldg. 7th Street ;