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Indianapolis Indiana Journal (Newspaper) - March 24, 1830, Indianapolis, Indiana Vol. Vil Indianapolis wednesday March 24, 1830. No. 361. Tube Islieb Douglass amp Maguyre. Terms. Two dollars per annul if paid in Advance. Three dollars at the end of the year. Advertisements inserted at the usual terms. A Quot Congress Okai. Debate. Second speech of or. Webster on or. Foot s Resolution. Pm. In Senate Jan. 26, 1830. Following or. Hanein the debate or. Webster addressed the Senate a As follows or. President when the Mariner Lias been tossed for Many Days in thick a Tyeather and on an unknown sea he naturally avails himself of the first pause in the storm the earliest glance of the Sun to take his latitude and ascertain How far the elements have driven him from his True course. Let us imitate this prudence and before we float further refer to the Point from which we departed that we May at least be Able to conjecture where we now Are. I ask for the Reading of the Resolution. The Secretary read the Resolution As follows resolved that the committee on Public lands be instructed to inquire and report the Quantity of the Public Las ids remaining unsold within each state and territory amp whether it be expedient to limit for a certain period the sales of the Public lands to such lands Only As have heretofore been offered for Sale and Are now subject to entry at the i i Mun Price. And also a whether the office of Surveyor general and some of the land offices May not be abolished without detriment to the Public interest or whether it be expedient to adopt measures to hasten the sales and extend More rapidly the Survey of the Public we have thus heard sir what the Resolution is which is actually before us for consideration and in will readily occur to every one that it is almost the Only subject about which something has not been said in the speech running through two Days by which the Senate has been now entertained by he gentleman from s. Carolina. Every topic in the wide Range of our Public affairs whether past or present a every thing general or local whether belonging to National politics or party politics seems to have attracted More or less of the honorable member s attention save Only the Resolution before us. Has spoken of every thing but the Public lands. They have escaped his notice. To that subject in All his excursions he has not paid even the cold respect of a passing glance. When this debate sir was to be resumed on thursday morning it so happened that it would have been convenient for me to he elsewhere. The honorable member however did not incline to putt Oto the discussion to another Day. He had a shot he said to return and he wished to discharge it. That shot sir which it was kind thus to inform us was coming that we might stand out of the Way or prepare ourselves to fall before it and die with decency has now been received. Under All advantages and with expectation awakened by the tone which preceded it it has been discharged and has spent its Force. It May become me to say no More of its effects than that if no body is found after All either killed or wounded by it it is not the first time in the history of human affairs that the vigor and Success of the Vear have not quite come up to the lofty and sounding phrase of the manifesto. The gentleman sir in declining to postpone the debate told the Senate with the emphasis of his hand upon his heart that there was something ranking i Ere which he wished to re Lieve. Or. Hayne Rose an disclaim de having used the a rankle la \ it would not or president be net be for the honorable member to Appeal to those around him upon the question whether he did in fact make use of that word. But he May have been unconscious of it. At any Rale it is enough that he disclaims it. But still with or without the use of that particular word he had yet something Kere he said of which he wished to rid himself by an immediate reply. In this respect sir i have great advantage Over the honorable gentleman. There 18 nothing Herff sir which gives me the slightest uneasiness neither tear nor anger nor that which is sometimes More troublesome than either the consciousness of having been in the wrong. There is nothing either originating Are or now received Herff by the gentleman shot. Nothing original for i and not the slightest feel ing of disrespect or in Feijo a Ness towards the honorable member. Some passages it 18 True hid occurred Sirice our in this body which i could have wished might have been otherwise but i had used philosophy and forgotten them. When the honorable member Rose in his first speech i paid him the respect of attentive listening and when he a at Down though surprised and i must say even astonished at some of his opinions nothing was farther from my intention than to commence any personal warfare and through the whole of the few remarks i made in answer i avoided studiously and carefully every thing which i thought possible to be construed into disrespect. And sir while there is nothing originating a Ere which i wished at any time or now wish to discharge i must repeat also that no thing has been received a Ere which rankles or in any Way gives me annoyance. I will not accuse the honorable member of violating the rules of civilized War i will not say that he pois ened Bis arrows. But whether i shafts were or were not dipped in that which would have Causell Auk Ling if they bad reached thei is not As it happened quite Stren be Nugh in the Bow to bring them to their Mark. If he wishes now to find those Tih this he must look for them elsewhere they will not be found fixed and quivering in the object at which they were aimed. The honorable member complained that i had sept on his speech. 1 must have slept on it or not slept at All. The moment the honorable member sat Down his Friend from Missouri Rose and with much honeyed commendation of the speech suggested that the impressions which it had produced were too charming and delightful to be disturbed by other sentiments or other sounds and proposed that the Senate should adjourn. Would it have been quite amiable in me sir to interrupt this excellent Good feeling must i not have been absolutely malicious if i could have thrust myself Forward to destroy sensations thus pleasing was it not much belter and Kinder both to sleep upon them myself and to allow others also the pleasure of sleeping on them but if he meant by sleeping upon his speech that i took time to prepare a reply to it it is quite a mistake owing to other engagements i could not employ even the interval Between the adjournment of the Senate and its meeting the next morning in attention to the subject of the debate. Nevertheless sir the Mere matter of fact is undoubtedly True i did sleep on the gentleman s speech and slept soundly i slept equally Well on his speech of yesterday to which i am now replying. It is quite possible that in this respect also i possess some advantage Over the honorable member attributable doubtless to a cooler temperament on my part for in truth i slept upon his speeches remarkably Well. But the gentleman inquires Why he was made the object of such a reply Why was he singled out if an attack had been made on the East he he assures us did not begin it it was the gentleman from Missouri. Sir i answered the gentleman s speech because i happened to hear it and because also i chose to give an answer to that speech which if unanswered i thought most Likely to produce injurious impressions. I did not Stop to inquire who was the original drawer of the Bill. I found a responsible endorser before me and it was my purpose to hold him liable and to bring him to his just responsibility without delay. But sir this interrogatory of the honorable member was Only introductory to another. He proceeded to ask me whether i had turned upon him in this debate from the consciousness that i should find an Over match if i ventured on a contest with his Friend from Missouri. If sir the honorable Mem ber sex Gratia Modestin had to defer to his Friend and to pay him a compliment without intentional disparagement to others it would have been quite according to the Friendly courtesies of debate and not at All ungrateful to my own feelings. I am not one of those sir who esteem any tribute of regard whether Light and occasional or More serious and deliberate which May be bestowed on others As so Mui h unjustly with Holden from themselves. But the tone and manner of the gentleman s question forbid me that i thus interrupt it. I am not at Liberty to consider it As nothing More than a civility to his Friend. In had an air of taunt and disparagement a Little of the loftiness of asserted superiority which does not allow me to pass it Over without notice. It was put As a question for me to answer and so put As if it were difficult for me to answer whether i deemed the member from Missouri an Over match for Insi of in debate Here. It seems to me sir that Liis is extraordinary land usage and an extraordinary tone for the discussions of this body matched and a matches those terms Are More a where than Here and fit tei for other assemblies than this. Sir the gentleman seems to forget where and what we Are. This is a Senate a Senate of equals of men of individual Honor and personal character and of absolute Independence. We know no masters we acknowledge no dictators. This is a half for Mutual consultation and discussion not an Arena for the exhibition of champions. I offer myself sir As a match for no Mara i throw the Challenge of debate at no Man s feet. But then sir since the honorable member has put the question in a manner that Calls for an answer i will give him an answer and i Tell Liim that holding myself to be the humblest of the members Here i yet know nothing in the Arm of his Friend from Missouri either alone or when aids d by the Arm of his Friend from South Carolina that need deter even me from espousing whatever opinions i May choose to espouse from debating whenever i May choose to debate or from speaking whatever i May see fit to say on the floor of the Senate. Sir when uttered As matter of commendation or compliment. I should dissent from nothing which the honorable member i ight say of his Friend. Still less do i put Forth any pretensions of my own. Bin when put to me As matter of taunt i throw it Back and say to the gentleman that he could possibly say nothing less Likely than such a comparison to wound my Pride of personal character. The anger of its tone rescued the remark from intentional irony which otherwise prob ably would have been its general acceptation. But sir if if be imagined that by this Niu Tual quotation and commendation if it be supposed that by casting the characters of the drama assigning to each his part to one the attack to another the cry of Onset or if it be thought that by a loud and empty vaunt of anticipated Victory any laurels Are to be won Here if it be imagined especially that any or All these thing will shake any purpose of mine i can Tell the honorable member once for All that he is greatly mistaken and that he is dealing with one of whose temper and character he has yet much to learn. Sir i shall not allow myself on this occasion i Hope on no occasion to be betrayed into any loss of temper but if provoked As i Trust i never shall allow myself to be into Crim nation and recrimination the honorable member May perhaps find that Intha contest there will Bellows to take As Well As blows to give thai others can state comparisons As significant at least As his own and that his impunity May perhaps demand of him whatever Powers of taunt and sarcasm he May possess. I commend him to a prudent husbandry of his resources. Bui sir the coalition the coalition Aye Quot the murdered coalition Quot the gentleman asks if i were led or frighted into this debate by the spectre of the coalition Quot was it the ghost of the murdered coalition Quot he exclaims Quot which haunted the member from Massachusetts and which like the ghost of Banquo would never Down Quot Quot the murdered coalition Quot sir this charge of a coalition in reference to the late administration is not original with the honorable member. It did not Spring up in the Senate. Whether As a an embellishment it is All borrowed he adopts it indeed from a very Low origin and Asili lower present condition. It is one of the thousand calumnies with which the Prees teemed during an excited political canvass. It was a charge of which there was not Only no proof or probability but which was in itself wholly impossible to be Tiue. No Man of common information Ever believed a syllable of it. Yet it was of that class of falsehoods which by continued repetition through All the organs of detraction and abuse Are capable of misleading those who Are already far mis led and of further fanning passion already kindling into flame. Doubtless it served its Day and in greater or Liess de grape the end designed by it. Having done that it has sunk into the general mass of stale and loathsome calumnies. It is the very cast off Slough of a polluted and shameless press. Incapable of further mischief it lies in the sewer lifeless and despised. It is hot now sir in the Power of the honorable member to give it dignity or decency by attempting to Eie i vate it and to introduce it Iritz the Sej Nate. He cannot change it fro i what it is an object of general disgust and scorn. Of the contrary the con Tad if he choose to touch it is my re Likely to drag him Down Johnv tothe place where it lies itself. I but sir the honorable lumber was not for other reasons entirely Happy in his allusion to the Story of Banquo s murder and Banquo s ghost. It was not i think the friends but the ene Mies of the murdered Banquo at whose bidding his spirit would not Down. The honorable gentleman is fresh in his Reading of the English classics and can put me right if i am wrong but according to my poor recollection it was at those who had begun with caresses and ended with foul and treacherous murder that the gory locks were shaken. The ghost of Banquo like that of Hamlet was an honest ghost. It disturbed no innocent Man. It knew where its appearance would strike terror and who would cry out a ghost it made itself visible in the right Quarter and compelled the guilty and the con science smitten and none others to Start with Quot Prythee see there behold a look to Quot if i stand Here i saw him Quot their Eye balls were seared was it not so sir who had thought to shield themselves by concealing their own hand and laying the imputation of the crime on a Low and hireling Agency in wickedness who had vainly attempted to stifle the of Thi in own Coward consciences by ejaculating. Sure of great Wisdom and foresight j and one which had been attended with highly beneficial and permanent consequences. I supposed that on this Point no two gentlemen in the Senate could entertain different but the simple expression of this sentiment has led the gentleman not Only into a Laboured defence of slavery in the abstract and on principle but a so into a warm accusation against me As having attacked the system of Domestic slavery now existing in the Southern slates. For All this there was not the slightest foundation in any thing said or intimated by me. I did not utter a single word which any ingenuity could torture into an attack on the slavery of the South. I said Only that it was highly Wise and useful in Lagis Laling for the Northwestern country while it was yet a wilderness to prohibit the introduction of slaves and added that i presumed in the neighbouring state of Kent Tkv there was no reflect ii g and intelligent gun Tieman who would doubt that if the same prohibition had been exies ded at the same Early period Over that Commonweal a her to Rengh and population would at this time have been car greater than they Are. It these o through Teeth Pic Lions be the ought doubtful Thev Are Quot thou canst not say i did if Quot 1 have i a nevertheless i rust neither extra or misread the great poem if it was those binary nor disrespectful they at who had no a a partaken in the deed Jack nobody and menace nobody. The death who either found that and yet sir the gentleman s optics they were or feared that they should be. Have discovered even in the Mere sex pushed from their stools by ,.,,n Jug sentiment what he of the slain or who cried out to a Calls the very spirit of the Uri spectre created by their own fears he represents me As Maki. G and their own remorse Quot Avaunt quit our sight Quot an Onset on the whole South Ami manifesting a spirit which would inter tic injustice no otherwise surprises me than As it is done Here and without the slightest pretence of for it. I a it Ltd by it less me As being done Here for i contemplation. who murder full Well that it is and has been de Banquo what did they win by substantial Good permanent Power i he South for Vears of represent the or , rather and i per uple of the North As disposed loin mortification dust and Ash. So the Tefere with them in their own Earlu there is another particular sir in Fere with disturb their Domestic which the honorable member s Gnu k condition sir this injustice no other perception of resemblances Milit i should think have seen something in the Story of Banquo making it not altogether a subject of the most pleasant common Fate of vaulting ambition of ver leaping itself did not even handed Justice Ere Long commend the poisoned chalice to their own lips did they not soon find that for another they had Quot filed their mind Quot a that their ambition though apparently for the moment successful had Bui put a Barren sceptre in their grasp a e., sir Quot a Barren sceptre in their a Ripe. Quot thence to be trenched by an Tinli Cal hand Quot Job son of their s succeeding sir i need a tissue the allusion no farther. I leave the honorable gentle Man to run it out at his Leisure and to derive from it All the gratification it is calculated of administer. If he finds himself pleased with the associations and prepared to be quite satisfied though the parallel should be entirely completed i had almost said i am satisfied also but that i shall think yes sir i will Thirsk of that. T u \ u in the course of my observations the Bas always been regarded As a mat other Day or. President i paid a Pas of Domestic policy left with the sing tribute of respect to a very Wor be selves and with which the thy Man or. Dane of Massachusetts. Menf had nothing to it so happened that he Drew the or Sive and Peculiar concerns. This is a delicate a d sensitive put Sitf in Southern f Elisii and White it earn it has al was been tour lied and Yenerall with Efin it whenever the Obj. It has been 10 unite the whole South against Northern men or tier there. Measures. This feeling always carefully kept alive and at too intense a heat to admit discrimination or reflect for a a Leve r of Power in our political Mahine. It moves vast bodies and gives to them one a d the same direction. Bill the Teeling is without adequate cause and the suspicion which exists wholly groundless. There �3 not and never has been a i position in the North to interfere with these interests of the South. Such interference has never been supposed to be within the Power of nor has it been in any Way attempted. Finance of 1787, for the government of the North Western territory. A Man of so must a ability and s a lit it be pretence of so great a capacity to do Good and so unmixed a disposition to do it for its own Sake a gentleman who acted an important years ago in a measure the do. Certainly sir. I am and eve r have been of that opinion. The Gettleman indeed argues that slavery in the abstract is no evil. Most assuredly i need not say 1 differ with him altogether and most widely on that Point. I regard Domestic slavery As one of the part forty of evils both moral and Polit. A influence but though it be a malady and of which is still deeply Felt in the very a aether it be curable and if so by matter which was the subject of de Bate might i thought receive from me f be the to was immedi Cabile a commend tory recognition. System i leave it to those but the honorable member was in duty it is to inquire and to decide. And this i believe sir j is and uniformly has been the sentiment of the North. A but the honorable member has now found out that this gentleman or. Davie was ii member of the Hartford fore heard of or. Dane i am sorry for convention. However uninformed it. It shows him less acquainted Quot a a with the Public men of the country Quot caters and occurrences at the North dined to be facetious on the subject. He Ivas Raffer disposed to make it Matt a of ridicule that i had introduced into the debate the name of one Nathan Dane of whom he assures us he had never before heard. Sir if the honorable member had never be than i had supposed. Let me Tell him however that a sneer from him at the mention of the a ame of or. Dane is in bad taste. It May Well be a High Mark of ambition sir either with the honorable gentleman or a self to accomplish As much to make our names known to advantage and reme Robertd with gratitude As or. Dane has accomplished. But the truth is sir i suspect that or Dane lives a Little too far North. He is of Massachusetts and too near the North Star to be reached by the honorable gentleman s Telescope. If his sphere had happened to Range South of Mason s and Dixon s line he might probably have come within the scope of his vision i6pofce,8ir,of Theoron mice of 1707, which prohibited slavery in All future limes., Northwest of the Ohio a a Mea it would seem that he has at his Elbow on this occasion some High minded and lofty spirit some magnanimous and True hearted Monitor possessing be Means of local knowledge and ready to Supply the honorable member with every thing Down even to forgotten and Moth eaten two Penny pamphlets which May be used to the disadvantage of his own country. But As to the Hartford convention sir allow me to say that the proceedings of that body seem now to be less read and studied in new England than farther South. They appear to be looked to not in new England but elsewhere for i he purpose of seeing How far they Mav serve As a precedent. Bit they will not answer the purpose they Are quite Tod lame the latitude in which they originated was too Cpd. 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