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Indianapolis Indiana Journal (Newspaper) - July 14, 1830, Indianapolis, Indiana Indiana journal. Vol. , wednesday 3uly 14, 1830. No. 877. Published by Douglass amp Maguire. Terms. Two Ilo larg per a ilium if paid in Advance. I free dollars at the end of the year. Advertis merits inserted on the i i a a al terme. From the National Intelli Trencer. The veto. Before we enter upon the arg ii Iii ent of the message of the president of the United states returning to the House of representatives the Mas Ville and Lexington Road Bill we meet at the threshold of it a passage which strikes us As being exception Able though it May be Only inadvertent in Annade so. We refer to that part of it in which after having just before admitted the right of Quot diversity of sentiment among Public functionaries Quot the House of representatives is reminded that in his message at the opening of the session the president had exhibited Ai s views of the subject of internal improvement and that the returned act had therefore been passed with a knowledge of his views of this question. In the first place we doubt the propriety of the executive s undertaking to declare to Congress beforehand what in his opinion is permitted or interdicted by the Constitution. The senators and representatives Are Stotyn to support the Coli Stittig Hon they cannot be guided in their action therefore by the construction which it May please the president to put upon that instrument unless it 42oncurs entirely with their own. And in the next place a declaration in Advance by the president of the United states that he will not Sanction by his approbation any particular measure is to say to Congress in Eif it Quot you need not deliberate on this question though you Are sent Here by the people for the express purpose of deliberating upon that with other great interests of this anticipation of the deliberations of Congress we Linow is not without a precedent but it ii a precedent to be avoided. Still less would precedent any More than propriety approve of any thing like a reproof to Congress for having with a knowledge of his views refused to concur in them. The two houses of Congress surely have As much right to their opinion As the president to his and the intimation of their Contu a icy is we think rather a rough rebuke from a Republican president to the representatives of the people. It is such As an autocrat might use with his serfs but would hardly venture upon with his Nobles. It May be said that this passage of the message was simply to tended to present a fact and not to imply a censure. If such was the intention we can Only say that it has been very unluckily made to assume a different aspect and that no Independent member of Congress could read it without feeling that Bis privilege was invaded and his Freedom of action reproached. We proceed now to a consideration of the argument of the message. Recurring to the language employ de in the communication of the executive to Congress at the com Yence ment of the late session and repeating that language the if stage says in re Terence to the Power of Interr it al improvement by the general a Vern ment Quot All feel that it has been pm Quot played at the expense of Harmony in Quot the legislative councils Quot and this is now stated As a reason independently of constitutional considerations against employing the surplus Revenue upon objects of that description. We should Jike to know what Power exercised by the government is not open to the very same objection upon what question of Public policy has Public sentiment Ever been unanimous take the Navy for sex a Siple. Do we not �11, who Are old enough remember what bitter contests there used to be it Congress in the infancy of the Navy whether it should be strangled or fostered its friends prevailed in its i Ivor but what sort of Harmony existed in the legislative al councils when the Navy was saved by majorities of one two five or ten Feder Ilist tory monarchist were epithets not too bad at one period to be bestowed on All who dared o support it. The same May be observed of questions concerning the augmentation of the army. Much More strongly May it be predicated of the Tariff question the Bank question the direct tax and the Public lands. That there Are questions which because of their irritating nature ought not to be touched in Congress except under imperious circumstances we admit such As the integrity of the Union or the loyalty of any member of it and ill a matter interesting to particular Stales the condition of slavery. But we cannot recognize the Validity of such an objection to any particular states the condition of slavery. But we cannot recognize the Validity of such an objection to any particular measure As that it benefits one division of our country More than another. What measure does not in the nature of things it must be so. Will any one pretend that the Bill for the removal of the indians which passed but the Day before this message was sent to Congress was an exercise of Power less Quot at the expense of Harmony in the legislative councils Quot than the internal improvement Bills surely not for whilst that Bill passed the House of representatives after a desperate struggle by a majority of Only live votes one of the Bills rejected by the president passed by a majority of two to one a larger majority than can Ever be calculated upon in Congress upon any question that is at ail contested. Did the president because it had been so closely contested reject the Indian Bill far from it. It was his pleasure that it should pass and it was no Objet Tion to that Bill that it was More Quot at the expense of Arnony in the legislative councils Quot than perhaps any measure since the Long embargo. With this practical demonstration of its unsoundness we feel ourselves authorized to put entirely out of View this objection to internal improvement. It can have no influence whatever As a justification of the re of action of the Road Bills. The in essay a goes on to say that Quot to avoid these evils Quot one of which we have Shewn is not an evil but an inseparable incident to legislation the other being the constitutional scruple of the minority of Congress and of the peo Ile Quot it appears to me that the Quot most Safe just and Federal disposition Quot which could be made of the surplus Quot Revenue would be its apportionment Quot among the several states according Quot to their ratio of this measure if practicable is liable to objections which we Wil. Here allude to rather than attempt to Illas trate. In the first place it would disarm the general government of the Means of doing general Good for the purpose of having things Good in themselves done so partially by the states As to produce evil instead of Good by exciting great and just discontent a Mong the states. For instance internal improvements canals and Public highways Are most wanted for the Benefit of the whole Union whether for National defence for Commerce or for Post roads where there is the greatest extent of Fertile country with the fewest natural or established facilities of that description. Where is that country is it new York or Pennsylvania or is it Missouri Indiana Illinois is it the populous Region on the Atlantic Border or is it the vast further because in the next sentence there is an intimation that even is measure although preferred to the employment of the Revenue in internal improvement requires an amendment of the Constitution to authorize it. The next several paragraphs of the message contain reasoning the Force of which we think no one can dispute. It is Shewn very clearly what has been the uniform action of the government in opposition to Mere theorizing in regard to the Power of appropriation and it is wisely admitted and Well said that Quot the Public Quot Good and the nature of our political Quot institutions require that individual Dif Quot Ferencek should yield to a Zoell settled acquiescence of the people Atid concede Quot rated authorities in particular con Quot St auctions of the Constitution on Quot doubtful Points. Not to concede this Quot much to the spirit of our institutions Quot would impair their stability and re feat the objects of the constitute in itself in this doctrine we heartily concur and we Are glad to find it where it is not Only on account of its applicability to the appropriation of Money for objects of internal improvement brutal so to other questions on which it has been apprehended from prior indications that the mind of the president was fixedly made up. The Power of appropriating Money for any object not embraced in the specific Grants has been doubted at an Early period of the i government from Quot deservedly High authority Quot it has been doubted in later times also but whatever doubts have rested upon it the Point is conceded in this message to have been settled in practice and especially by the Purchase of Louisiana and the construction of the Cumberland Road both measures of or. Jefferson s administration. From this reasoning we Are glad to arrive at the conclusion that the president when he was advised to suggest the plan of a National government Bank to substitute the people s Bank of the United states giving As one reason for this recommendation that the constitutions a of the Bank of the United states had been Quot Well doubted Quot did not mean to declare that the existing Bank is not constitutional or that it May not be constitutionally re chartered. We cannot but infer from the passage just quoted from the late message that the president meant to say in his former message that though others had doubted he did not doubt the constitutionality of the Bank of the United states after the Quot Well settled acquiescence of the people and confederated authorities Quot in regard to that matter. If this doctrine of Quot Well settled acquiescence Quot be As we agree that it is applicable to the Purchase of Louisiana and the Cumberland Road a fort Iori it is conclusive As to the Bank Westerh Region the latter certain a question which was decided by con by. But this distribution system pro Gressa dozen years before those two poses to allot the surplus revenues in questions and has been uniformly sus Stead of employing them in National works to the states respectively in a ratio the direct inverse of the Rule of expediency that is to say for every thirty four thousand dollars distributed to the slate of new York the states of Missouri and Illinois Are to receive one thousand and the state of India to a greatly favored three thousand. Will the states can the states submit to legislation so unequal and so inequitable for what reason Are the states equally represented in the Senate of the United states but to guard against the smaller states being thus ground Down to insignificance by the larger another rooted objection to this project is that it is in effect a proposition to Vest in the Federal government the Power of collecting and distributing the Revenue of a state. Certainly if there be any one Power which is reserved to the states it is the Power to Lay and collect their own Revenue at their own pleasure for their own purposes and the general government has no rightful authority to collect a Revenue beyond the a mount necessary to enable it to exercise a a by gently its proper functions. It would hardly be less obnoxious to carry out the idea of distributive jus tip Urther so As to distribute the sur Revenue to each individual a no Ieav r a each state in the Union in equal proportion when we should have at once the levelling system the superfluity of the Rich being Rajeen from them to be distributed to the however abhorrent the policy of internal improvement May be to some of our statesmen we rather think that they would be the first to hold up their hands against the substitute which the president has been advised to recommend a second time for the serious consideration of the Letisia Ture. We refrain from pressing the Obj Lions to this part of the message trained by the judicial tribunals and acquiesced in by the people to this Day. Admitting however in terms the Power to appropriate Money in the manner and for the purposes proposed by the rejected Bills the message declares the Maysville Road not to be of a character so National As to authorize his signing the Bill concerning it and by assigning the same grounds for the rejection of the Rockville and Frederick Road he places that Road on the same Quot local Quot ground. We do not feel much interest in sex Aming the question of the 7iationality of the roads it being made Clear in the sequel of the message that the want of nationality was not the influential cause of the rejection of these Bills. And yet we must say after much consideration of that Point that we think the objection to the nationality of either of these roads is Ine Fli client upon the Cabinet s own ground to justify their advising the president to put his veto upon them. What constitutes a a National Road must it traverse the Union or what proportion of it is it not sufficient to make it generally and nationally beneficial the definition quoted by the message from or. Monroe s exposition that a Road is an important link in a line of communication in which the country at Large is deeply interested with regard to the Road Between Maysville and Lexington the u. S. Engineers col. Long and maj. Trim we in their report to Congress 1827�?8, remark that that Road is More travelled Han any other of the same extent in Kentucky and the great mail Between the Atlantic states and Kentucky Tennessee Alabama and other Western states passes Over it for the transportation of which Over this route the Post master general actually _ pays More thai eighty dollars a from an accurate Register of the travelling Over if kept for thirty Days during the last year at a Point near Maysville it appeared that within that period there passed Over this Road besides pleasure carriages and droves of cattle. Amp a. Not counted 9,400 persons 12,800 horses 1,570 wagons and carts giving an average of 317 persons 427 horses and 52 wagons and carts per Day. Sure such a link in a great Post Road so much travelled besides is sufficiently important to make its improvement nationally beneficial. If that be not sufficiently National however beyond question the in Cuvillo Road is being a Gap of Only 25 or 26 Miles in the whole Chain of communication with the Western wilds and Waters which is in certain seasons of the year almost impassable and not susceptible of profitable improvement by individual Means. By the condition of this Road the people of the West Are at certain seasons of the year almost Cut off from the capital of the Union and if Gen. Jackson had travelled Over it at the proper season for judging of it instead of the delightful season we opine he would have returned to the Palace with a much clearer perception of its nationality than he entertained when he returned to the Senate the Bill appropriating Money for its improvement. Will any one argue with us that the appropriations proposed by those Bills Are less National in their Charae Werthan a number which have at the late session of Congress received the presi Dent s unhesitating approbation is the appropriation of 25,g88 dollars for the improvement of the navigation of Cape chi River in North Carolina More National than Juhe Maysville Road ? or that of 8,000 and Odd dollars for removing Sand bars at or near the Mouth of Black River in Ohio or that of g,000 and Odd dollars for improving the navigation of Conneaut Cree a Quot in Ohio or that of 15.000 and Odd dollars for removing of Ngirur tons at the Mouth of big Sodus Bay in the state of new York these and Many others were approved before the executive took a new departure in a direction hostile to this Wise Beneficent and truly useful policy of improving our ways and water Cour ses. The reasoning and the conclusion of the message Are at right angles to the whole previous demonstration of the intentions of the president. But not to go Back so far in the session As the Date of these Bills let us compare them and the ground of nationality and locality with the Indian Bill the approbation and signature of which followed the rejection of one of these Bills and preceded the rejection Tion of the other. Let it be recollected that the message places the rejection of the Bills ostensibly on the ground of their being not nationally beneficial How is it yith the Indian Bill if that Mode of reasoning is permitted of what importance to Pennsylvania or to new Hampshire for example is the removal of the choctaws from Alabama and Mississippi Are not the advantages to flow from this measure to redound to the Benefit of these respective states Only or if National in any sense is this appropriation of 500,000 dollars to begin with More so than would be the appropriation of a like sum for draining the. Dismal swamp or removing obstructions from lands in any slate that these reclaimed lands might be settled and improved by White men and citizens and since we have compared these measures in one View let us compare them in another. If the two Road Bills Are so objectionable on account of their liberality or lat Ludina arianism a for these after All Are the Only tangible grounds of exception to them what shall we say of this Indian Law which encountered no misgivings in the executive mind each of the first mentioned Bills proposed the appropriation of a specific for a definite purpose. The Indian Law gives unlimited Power to the president tog Mccand guaranty to the indians removing West any part or Thez Chok of the Public lands West of the Mississippi and not in any state or territory and in this donation to be made by the president be it More or less there is no ingredient of Benefit to the United sthie8 nationally because the president will give to the indians at least As Large and valuable a tract of land West As that which hey now own East of the Mississippi that is he will do so if he acts As it is to be presumed that he will in the spirit of the Law of humanity. And this enor Mous Power the president May exercise without asking the advice of these note As formerly. In addition moreover to the five Hundred thousand Dol Lars to Cofiey Alre Irdy appropriated. He my pledge the United slates to any amount and then May Call on Congress to redeem the pledge. What was there in the principle of the Rockville Road Bill in which besides the general interest of the whole Union about one half of All the slates Are specially interested is far As the communication with the seat of government is of any interest to them that wag less National than the Indian Law. What is there in either of the Road Bills that involves any thing like the same sweeping Powers the main distinction that we perceive Between them is that the Road Bills involve definite and the Indian Bill indefinite expenditure that the Road Bills proposed the exercise of a limited Power the metes and Bounds of which were prescribed in the Bills themselves whilst the Power to be exercised under the Indian Law is undefined and unlimited by any thing but the exec live discretion. Grant that this discretion has been properly Given and will be wisely exerted still it is difficult to understand Why it is that a Bill vesting in the executive almost unlimited discretionary Power received the prompt Sanction of the president whilst Bills of much narrower scope expressing the precise intention and positive will of the legislature and leaving nothing to discretion receive their death blow at his hands How shall we account for their different fates it has become very apparent we think in the course of this Brief examination that the objection which proved fatal to the Road Bills was not their want of nationality. Let us see whether a further examination throws any additional Light upon their sad Deli fit. To of. Concluded in or next Rorey a or news. Late important Tonji Mexico. By the athenian from Carthagena we have been furnished with papers from that place to the 30fh ult. Inclusive. They announce Bolivar s approaching departure forever from Colombia and the election of a new president and vice president. We translate below the message sent by Bolivar to Congress on. The 27th april with the reply of that body. On the 4th May Congress having previously settled and adopted the new Constitution which is not yet published proceeded to choose a president and vice president. On the third ballot Joaquin mosque a was chosen president and Gen. Domingo Caicedo vice president. There were forty eight votes and the Constitution required two thirds for the successful candidate. The ballots were the first ballot 26 for or. Canabal 17 for or. My que a 5 for or. Caicedo 2d ballot 27 for Mosquera 17 for Cannibal and 4 for Caicedo 3d ballot which was restricted to the two High St candidate 34 for Mosquera and 14 for Caicedo. Or. Mosquera was then decl Artud legally elected president of the re pub lie. Proceeding then to the election of vice president. Gen. Caicedo received 33 votes or. Canabal 12, and 3 scattering. Whereupon Gen. Caicedo was declared duly elected vice president. The president elect not being in Bogota a deputation was sent to the vice president informing him of his election and inviting him at once to enter on the duties of his station and of president and interim. Gen. Caicedo returned with the deputation took the oaths and then addressed the Congress. A committee was also sent to the Liberator announcing the election to him and expressing anew the admiration and regard of Congress for his character and deeds. The Liberator expressed in reply the great est pleasure at the Choice that had been made and Athing himself once More a private citizen. On the 5th May a complimentary address signed by the new vice president the archbishop of Bogota the secretaries of the Treasury Interior and War and about 12�0 citizens was presented to Gen. Bolivars in which the fullest expressions of admiration for his services and sacrifices Are employed and As he was no longer in Power they May be taken As sincere. On the 9th Bol Var left Bogota for Cartti Agena where he was to embark As was supposed in the British frigate Slian Uon for England. On his route lie was with the highest Tes Ilu Nonias of affection and respect. He arrived on tie 25th at Tabasco in the Vicinity of Carthagena. The proclamation of the vice president on assuming his station is in a proper tone. It recommends oblivion of All past animosities and promises Liat no distinction shun to i Jade be

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