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Indianapolis Indiana Journal (Newspaper) - February 10, 1830, Indianapolis, Indiana Indiana journal. Vol. Vil Indianapolis wedge Bidav february to 1830. No. 355. Published by Douglass amp Maguire. Terms. Seventh five cents during the session of the legislature. One Dollar for three months including the session of the legislature. Two dollars per annul if paid in Advance. Three dollars at the end of the year. Advertisements inserted at the usual , Senate chamber Jan. 11,1830. Messes. Editors a you have with this address the memorial of the legislature of Indiana praying that the title of the Miami indians to Large tracts of land in that state May be extinguished and also the report made upon the memorial with the Bill for the object All of which it May be important to the Citi Zens of the state to have published. Respectfully yours James Soble. In Senate january 7. Or. White made the following report the committee on Indian affairs to whom was Rerp rred the a a memorial of the general Assoc Bly of the state of Indiana asking the immediate Pstir Jitni Ament of Indian title within the limits Chat state report the Memoria lists represent that the interests of the United states As Well As those of the state of Indiana require the Extine wish me to of the remaining Indian title in that state and More particularly that of the miamis lying on the Wabash contiguous to and including the line of the Wabash canal that their continuance where they Are is injurious to like Revenue settlement and Prosperity of the state detrimental to the Progress of the canal and ,9 to the peace and Tranquillity of the Frontier that humanity dictates their immediate removal from a place where from their inter Ness is to be done with the indians of Indiana in which they Are to receive any thing and when data Are to be assumed As to the Cost it would be Well to go on the basis of about four thousand since those who ramble under such circumstances would be sure to be come fixed at least for the Tinnie being. Kwh great respect i have the Honor to be your of t serv to t. L. M Kenney. Hon. W. Hendricks u. S. Senate. A Bill to enable the president to extinguish Indian title within the state of Indiana. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of representatives of the United states of America in Congress assembled. That the sum of forty thousand dollars be and the same is hereby appropriated for the purpose of holding Indian treaties and extinguishing Indian title within the state of Indiana. Course with the whiff a the a re annuities they ref a Quot expose them to a Quot Quot of the part of the country where House of representatives. December 30, 31, Jan. 4. Public lands. Or. Polk having moved to Lay on the Tabic or. Hunt s Resolution proposing a distribution of the Nett proceeds of the sales of Public lands among the several states having declined withdrawing it at the request of or. Buchanan and the motion itself having been negatived by the House a or. Buchanan spoke at some length after which or. Test of Indiana Rose to address the chair. Before he began he was warned by the speaker that it was the question on the amendment which was before the House and he must confine his remarks to the question. Or. Test remarked that he thought he understood the question and should Endeavor to confine himself to it As nearly As he could but he considered to get original proposition and amendment so connected together that he could not do Justice to the subject without a partial notice of both. Com by evils. The general Assembly give it As their opinion that Quot the speedy concentration of he indians in some permanent situation Distant from our fronties offer the Only practicable method of diverting them from indo a Lent and vicious habits to which by their Vicinity to our population they Are Usu happily inclined Quot and that delay in this matter roust increase the difficulties eventually to be encountered. The miamis consists of about eleven Hundred souls and chiefly reside on a few reservations South of the Wabash through which some of the lines of the canal location have been run. By treaty of 1826, is is agreed that the state May Lay out a Road or canal through any of their reservations and that for the use of a canal six chains a along the same shall be appropriated yet it is most certain that their residence on the canal line and their owning a portion of the country through which it must pass will prove in a High degree prejudicial Ooth to the state and to the indians themselves. On the Northern Side of the Wabash their title is almost Eji tirely extinguished and in a very Short time they will he wholly surrounded by a dense population. The inter course which must take place Between the a indians and the labourers on the canal will be demoralizing in its character and cannot fail to engender feuds and animosities which will terminate in blood and no doubt is entertained that the Price asked by Vliem for their title will be greater after than before the a canal is completed. The Pattawi Aramies own a much larger tract of country than miamis and their residence is in the Northern and Northwestern portion of the slate their numbers too Are More considerable but their country is less valuable in proportion to its extent than that of the miamis. It is believed that in reference to the necessary of treating with these tribes a their whole number cannot safely be estimated at loss than 4.000. Fron the foregoing View of the subject the committee Are Unatin Mously of opinion that the title in question ought to be extinguished As speedily As i to Isible Iid for that purpose report a Bill. Department of War office of Indian affairs Jan. 4, 1830. Dear sir the Secretary of War Dir rests me in reply to your letter of this morning to state that there Are Twenty five Hundred and forty one indians within the state of Indiana that May be termed stationary or fixed and a thousand or fifteen Hundred that re in the state and out of it As Circum stances May incline them. Of those who May be deemed stationary there Are thirteen Hundred and fifty eight Pottawatomie a eight Hundred and forty eight miamis and two Hundred and Twenty five eel Rivers. It is my opinion that when any bust i do said or. Test and where a ques Tion of this kind so vitally affects the interests of my constituents it will be expected that i should say something measure like that of Europe. Passing for the Sake of Brevity Over All the intermediate Steps and without adverting to further evidence it must appear Clear to any gentleman in the House that that must have been the most powerful inducement or motive and truly patriotic it Wasin the larger states to make this great sacrifice of their Power and resources which coupled with the idea of doing Justice to their creditors and relieving the confederation from its distressing embarrassments form the consideration upon which these lands were ceded to the general government and i hold it to be the duty of Congress to sacred regard this consideration in All its legislative acts and to promote the generous and benevolent views of the states in making those enormous Tho necessary sacrifices. Let As see then whether the Arhe dment to the re Solu Tion which forms the proposition before the House is calculated in its consequences to promote that great and magnanimous object. So far from doing so i View it As the most dangerous proposition that Ever was agitated in this House or brought before this nation. What is it sir it in to Divide the Mablle lands among the gift erect states and to require the new states to answer and pay for All the appropriations made by the government toward their improvement while Yoti have reaped the benefits of those improvements to a much greater degree than they. You have furnished the capital we have done the labor and we Are now to be called upon to pay Back All thai we have received after doing the labor for you. How Are you going to make this calculation of value what is to be the Standard where Are Yon to begin at what Point of time shall it be calculated for the Futtere will you make it As of Tiow or shall it be nun pro Tunc we Are very gravely told by the gentleman from South Carolina that to talk about the benefits the United states receive from these upon the subject. Indeed i should appropriations for improvements is think myself derelict from Ray duty if i were to remain silent. The amendment sir looks Forward to the general operation of the original Resolution. I shall therefore be necessarily led in to the examination of the principles of the latter to come fairly at the effects of the former. What 8ir, the question before the House the first or original proposition is to appropriate the Nett proceeds of the Public lands towards internal improvements and the promotion of learning to be divided among the states according to their representation in Congress. The a amendment offered by the gentleman from South Carolina proposes an inquiry into the Quantity and value of those lands in order As i understand it to a division among the slates with a View to come at a fair settlement As he Calls it and that those states who have received a portion of those lands May be charged in the account current with what they have received. It is necessary to look into the motive or consideration which induced the state of Virginia and others to cede their wild lands to the United states and then to see if the proposition now before the House is calculated to promote the grand object which those states had in View when they made these Cessions and the determination of this Point will test the ability of thenry ensure. It is considered on All hands that one of the motives was to change the resources of the Federal government which were at that time very limited indeed and to enable them to discharge their obligations to their creditors but sir i am very far from believing this was tie most prominent or urgent motive. There were higher and More in portent the prime object of All was to maintain and secure a continuation of the confederation. Virginia possessed almost As much territory As any two or three of the other states and it was readily seen that in a course of time an increase of population must give her a vast Ascendancy Over looking with a philosophic Eye thro the course of events it was not difficult to discern that the growing greatness of an individual state already the most powerful in the confederation would be calculated in the very nature of things to create fears and jealousies in the smaller states which might in time grow into discontents and bickering which being fostered by those fears and jealousies would Lead directly to a dissolution of the Union confederation. The prime motive then must have been to provide against that event by reducing the amount of territory in the larger states and limiting their size As near to an Equality As possible thereby to produce a balance of Power in some the most fallacious and preposterous idea he Ever heard suggested. Let us see if it be so silly and fallacious As that gentleman supposes. What is the effect of those appropriations and improvement of the country Dol hey enhance the value of your lands or do they not do they not induce Popula. Tion to flow in by hundreds of thousands Are they not the Means of Selling thousands and millions of acres of your land which would otherwise lie waste and wild does not this add to the resources of our country besides augmenting the value of the lands to reduce to practical results the argument of the gentleman i will make such a calculation As i suppose he would ask the committee to make and see whether he be right or shall we make it at the minimum or maximum Price sir i presume the gentleman would calculate them at the Price which they sold for. I will gratify him in making it so then suppose by your appropriations and our Tabor the lands shall bring ten dollars per acre do you gain nothing and the More labor we add to the appropriation the More it enhances the Price and we Are to be charged at that Price. Sir it amounts to this the More labor we do in consequence of our improvements the More we have to pay you we could have purchased the land of you at the minimum Price but in consequence of receiving it As a donation As the gentle Dan would Call it we have to pay three prices. It is a Valo Able gift to you but it beggars us and i should say take Back your Dyga nire Quot take Back your fatal gift tis poisoned. Sir it is like a Man laying out a town and Selling his lots for a High Price and afterwards Callog upon the purchasers to pay him for the streets and alleys which he had Laid fou have been Canning enough to give and we silly enough to receive. Sir it is reversing upon this calculation the less we have of y6iir gifts the better. Poor Indiana there is a terrible Day of reckoning coming she has been silly enough to receive some of your gifts and on the great Day of reckoning if it shall be found that she has received More than her share of the lands she must pity up the balance and How is she to do it sir she Nevet will do it no new slate will do it and to enforce Stich a proposition Wotila be to strike them from the confederation and dissolve the Union. Do you believe sir that the new states would stand and look on and see you carrying away the fruits of their hard labor without a struggle to prevent it. It would take away every motive in them to remain a part in the confederacy every ground of attachment to the Union and cause them to look to their resources for Protection. I have Saidi that your appropriations had been the inducements to thousands to emigrate to those new states they have broken up and left their Homes to seek a Home in the wilderness allured by your deceitful gifts and after arriving there they find themselves called upon to pay Back the pretended Boon. What will they Finy to you would they Admire your Justice or would they despise your a Varice and fraud sir i have inquired at what Point of time will you refer this calculation of value and division of the spoil. Will you commence at the present period will you go Back to the time when those lands were ceded to the states or will you refer it to some Point of time in Advance if you refer it to the time when the Ces Sion were made Little Delaware would receive As much As any of you in the general distribution for she bad As Many representatives in Congress then As new York and would she not contend with you that that was the Correct principle she had then and has yet All the Burthen of sovereignty to support without the Means of the other states and the land being a gift to you at a time when she had As much right in the confederation As any of you it j would seem an argument in her favor j to fix the division or allotment at that j Point of time. The object of the Trust j having now expired and the trustees about to take the estate into their own hands and appropriate it to their own use. It seems to me it would be equally if not More Juet to distribute it according to the situation and relation in which the parties stood at the time of its i eation. I say by this sort Odis i Tributino Delaware would get a Eliare. Suppose you refer the calculation and distribution to the present time How would it stand what would Delaware get however sir 1 will pass by this part of the subject for the present and take another View of it. Sir i shall never consent nor will my state or the new states generally consent to Stop Here with the division calculation or distribution. We must go the whole or perchance we shall not be Ai it be to pay you for the Liberal donations you have made us and where will be the Justice of distributing a part of the pub lie Domain without the whole. Here or. Test was reminded by the speaker that the hour for the discussion of resolutions had passed by and that he must desist. On the next morning the Resolution being again read and the amendment thereto or. Test Rose and said that he had hut a few words More to say and he should close. I think sir said or. Test i was calling the attention of the House to the Nodus Operand under the provisions of the amendment to the Resolution by the gentleman from South Carolina and particularly what was to be taken into Thi account current which was to be made out. I had said we shall Call upon you to go the whole we shall not Only Call upon you to throw in All the lands in this District besides the useless millions you have Laid out upon this building and the president s House but we shall Call upon you to take an account of your Navy also for it will be extremely onerous to Call Ripon us in the new states to pay for the lands you pretend to give us without allowing us to draw out of the general Stork our Money portion of the funds. I shall be told that these Public buildings Are a part of the Staple improvements of the country which were never intended As a fund this i admit and so by your pretended gift these so far As they have been applied have become a part of the permanent in a movements of the country As much As your Public buildings but we Are came upon to pay for them and we cannot do so except we be permitted to draw upon the joint Stock. It will be no answer to our proposition to Tell us that the costs of these buildings amp a. Are Money appropriations and not land. Sir 1 would inquire of the gentleman from South Carolina what distinction he will draw Between an appropriation of Money and of land except that Money is preferable the state of Indiana would have much preferred the Money or i would for her. It would have been much easier managed. I shall be told the Navy ought not to be taken into the account because it is for the Security of the country and the Protection and facility of Commerce so Are the roads and canals erected and to he erected from the proceeds of those land appropriations they serve As Means to transport your arms and munitions of War from one Point to another and to disseminate the various object of Mer Chandise through the country. Vest sir the Navy in time of peace serves Only to protect the merchants in their commercial pursuits. We can therefore with perfect propriety Call upon them to Aid us in paying Back our share of these appropriations so generously made by paying us our share of the value of the Navy. We shall Call you Toan account for Youir forts your arsenals your armoires you or Light houses your sea Walls and All the improvements upon the sea Board and shall a be told they Are for the general Protection of the maritime Frontier sir our Public and private Tnp movements protect your Inland Frontier much More effectually than All your navies and forts and arsenals do your maritime. How Long since this very spot was a howling wilderness infested with the wild beast and the Savage now Sirj the improvement and settlement of the new states form an impassable Barrier Between them and you and when you have not made us appropriations towards the erection of these improvements and we have not been Able to make them ourselves we have presented our breasts As a Rampart to protect you. It is to the Industry the Enterprise the toil and the labor of these new states that you owe a greater share of Protection than from All you navies and forts and yet you ask us to suffer you to retain the Navy together with All your permanent improve ments while you Call upon us to pay Back to you a miserable appropriation of land in the midst of the Wilde if is. Could the gentleman from South Carolina have the face to ask it ? sir Are we to be charged with All these improvements which have been called Western shall we have to pay for the Cumberland Road and All its repairs too i Hope not. But according to the gentleman s amendment of the Resolution Virginia with All her Constin Linnal scruples about Interr al improvements and Pennsylvania with All her objections to the termination of the Cumberland Road will have to pay the expense of making and repairing it. Unless it can be Shewn that there is some distortion Between appropriations for land and Money. Do you think sir Virginia or Pennsylvania will Ever pay you bark the appropriations for that Road.? i will answer for them and i will answer for All the Western states a they will neither of them Ever do so. I think sir the gentleman from South Carolina and every gentleman in this House cannot but see the Gross injustice he would do the people of the new states by carrying into effect the principles of the amendment to this Resolution. It is calculated to injure and oppress the bravest the hardiest and most virtuous part of your Community. Men who have borne the Burthen in the beat of the Day men who when your country was invaded by both the Civi lib sed and the Savage foe stepped Forward with alacrity to defend it. No murmuring was heard. They never inquired is my country right or wrong the Only inquiry was. Where Are her enemies the Story of these appropriations which you desire us now to repay Drew thousands of emigrants to these new states upon the Faith of the government were real and not fictitious. They settled Down Iii the midst of a wilderness where perhaps the human foot never trod they have honestly toiled and Laboured till they have made themselves a Linle Bonne Pera s near the spot where by your donations As you were pleased to Call them you seduced us to make a Road or canal. What will they say when they Are told they must pay Back this deceitful this Indian gift sir you would create heart burnings and discontents that time will never heal. Sir i will say something More to the gentleman from South Carolina concerning his calculations of the Price of these Public hands. Are Bia calculations of the value of these -.nd8 to have a retrospective operation or not if so and you go As far bark a to the time of the cession of these lands Why then the Small states get a full proportion but then great injustice must be done if you place them at the present time the Small states would get almost Nothrop. The state of Delaware for example would get the two Hundred and thirteenth part and Indiana would get three two Hundred and thirteenth part for it is to be kept in mind that the territories As Well As the slates Are to share the plunder. Yes. Sir and while Delaware and Indiana receive his miserable portion. New i it re will be entitled to about one sixth of the whole of your wild lands. Fit prospectively still injustice most be done so that As an original proposition and established on the very Best footing it

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