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Indianapolis Indiana Democrat (Newspaper) - February 12, 1831, Indianapolis, Indiana By a. F. , saturday february 12,1831. To Sims. Two dollars per Annuli in adv me. Two doll an Ami Ritj cats Al a a months Fhle of do lairs Al the end of the Yucai. . Is Baths. Minister to Russia. Debate in the House of representatives thursday 13th january 1631, Oil the proposition to strike out of Fth general appropriation Bill the item of for the Pavan pm of the salary of the United states minister to the court of Russia. The question was on the adoption of the motion of or. , tothe above of acct. Or. Burgos Rose and addressed tie Okonji Nitice As follows or. a the present is i believe no unusual discussion. In the Short i pm of my service in this Hall 1 have witnessed silting after Sitti tee of the whole House the Union where the qua compared with the serv of 0 Coramit-1 the state Olum of salary of foreign ministers was tic subject debate. When the competency of this House to move such debate been questioned never until the present a a ins of this committee. If i Ara mis Lafeen i Isk the chairman of Iho Cora Ratilee in foreign Kela Riotis Odell to when that question was made by the friends of the last administration the question is iut to him in Cauce of his proximity to the executive department and because if lie will not give it a candid answer such answer can be expected from any gentleman in this Hall. What Call then can by usage be at this time made on this Branch of the government to throw itself Al the very fool of subservience ? do the people expect his from us Tivey have placed the National funds at our control but with a full Confidence in our Fidelity and Diligence and under no fear that we should unlock the Treasury unless Paramount Public interest Call upon us to turn the key. We cannot do this merely required to do it by Cabinet ministers of by the eve Culive under to licit advisement. This House has Over claimed and exercised the right to deliberate to do Bate and under a sound of its own to decide and deter Rixie All claims for appropriation by whomsoever or for Whai Soever purpose they May have been made. If missions of minor importance we years passed Quck Tio aed under Thi a Neofa spirit of Velren Clunen without a fellow in former times May we not now a although that spirit has been touched and put to sleep by the Caduceus of the state department May we not Call to our Aid so much of the sober watchfulness of the Days of our Republic As May enable us with due Diligence to Evamine such a question of approx Riavida As ibis item of this Bill has Bro Ugnit before us it relates to no Mission to an infant nation or some inconsiderable slate bul our Long established ter lion o a court among the most illustrious of Europe and involving relations pre eminently interesting to our country. Innovations relative o this Mission do above Many others place our Ait ional interests in jeopardy. O in relations Wilh Russia have hitherto Licen Clio Rishovd and sustained by a mini scr plenipotentiary Orcsi Dirini near that court. At that court in lire Royal por tation of european politics have moving or stationary. Where is John we not brought Home and put into use Randolph where is our ambassador the High tory Maxim of their Monarchi that the King can do no wrung a there Ever a time Iti our country when Thi Quot friends of any administration other thai the present Lielie Ved and Practised Thi article of political Faith Wilh More in Sam Purlous Devotion the Cabinet ministers of our have taken artful Counci from this fact. Of european ministers being answerable Wilh their Heads for wha the King their master May from Thi throne communicate to his lords and commons will not suffer any speech but of Ali own contriving to be thus communicated in the adroit ministers of our Cabinet Kings Heller under the executive sub san ency of the times have not Only put upon the nation this message but the president a Man who if he moved at All alway marched straight Forward to his object they have betrayed into the crooked Coon oils which May by diligent examination be found in this message sent to Congo is by them while Thev lie sheltered under the. Posing name of the first dignitary of Thi if 111 thank god Mil times to made at oils which Thev i right divine in m Faith of Mai King sri Nav even a a Oun Lable for the be Eiven them a Quot to Rule Quot Thi a made for one Quot the com it pro skulk a and of st. Petersburg a and Icila inthe political and social Circle of the emperor himself the High dignitaries of his government and the diplomatic envoys of All the nations of Europe and Nirav of those of Asia. What then is the question by amp Retho commit lace under this item Ozap Propri Tio if the gentleman from Ohio or. Stanberry has moved to strike from the Bill the �0000 proposed to to appropriated for payment of the current year a salary to the gentleman said to have Boon despatched As minister to Ili Issia. To has ably though briefly sustained his motion i Trust the commit lace will indulge me in a few remarks on the same Side of the question. The item itself la ars no Mark Distin Gull unit from others of the same kind or giving Lis any warrant for rejecting this Thile those Are allowed. We must look 10 other document for information concerning this Mission and our Oblations to furnish the Money for supporting this minister at the a Urt of st. Petersburgh the paper which 1 now take from the desk before to contains that information. It purports to to Iho annual message from Tho president of Tho United states Locon Grera Al Tho present session. It certainly bears his Sien Turc and was sent to this House by that . Notwithstanding these fact the document roust be received mid considered entirely is the production of Cabinet ministers. No lit Crary gentleman in this Hall i moan no member of this House who reads and a Komi Wintis this communication made to us so much at length could i think a without Hazard of their reputation that he believes one Sente no of it was composed by the distinguished gon Lemm Whoso . This sir is not said for any purpose of derogation of i eminent official character of our Fust my i strata a. But for a Velry different i much More important put poem a g tti�iw.83w�� it a a ii a of a Quot Quot pretends in a Creed no Permane vision for on Crafin Seco Plant t and screen himself a behind the thro Plav the Little tyrant with Security that part of this incs Sace from which we learn the character of this Russia is All of it which now it concerns unto examine. Our foreign relations a Branch of the department of state and this Mission was contrived and the acc our of it contained in the message has Bec Given to us by the Sec relay of that do part enl. The gentleman from North Carolina or. Carson has read la out for one purpose suffer me to read it fir Mother. Quot our relations Wilh Russia arc of 111 most stable character. Respect for Thi Iro and Confidence in its Friendship ads the United steles have been so Long Cunteri nixed on our part and so carefully cherished by the present emperor and his illustrious As to have become incorporated with the Public sen Timon Tofle United slates. A i sincerely regret to inform you that our minister lately commissioned to that court on whose distinguished talents and great experience in Public a flairs i place Gre it Reliance has l Een compelled by extreme indispo3�o Ion to exercise a privilege which in consideration of the extent to which his Constitution had been impaired in the Public service was committed to his discretion of leaving temporarily his Post for the advantage of a More congenial Eli mate. Quot i have received Iho wast satisfactory Assurance that in the moan Lime the Public interests in thai Quarter will be preserved from prejudice by the Isle Courso which to Ivill continue Brough the Sec Relora of legation Vilh the russian cab am i not Correct in saying that this fab was wrought in the department of slate ? a bout or. Secretary Van Buren would have devised such a Mission or selected such a Man to fill it or caused h .1 printed paper to be sent to this House to Are told by it that our Long established legation log Russia has been in changed and that in place of a permanently resident mini scr at lha court in Ardless of the Public service a Mission has been invented to suit Tho talents it health habits and disposition of the distinguished individual for whom it was design id. By the very terms of this Mission this individual is required to repair to Rusia but is authorized to leave that court and that Empire whenever his health and if that to along is the judge May require t. Who but the machiavellian Polar it the Lave advised Iho presided to such a mis Ion or dared to place on n document prepared to be sent to this House such Tate Mont a fits commencement Progress and present condition in what part of the Constitution or the Laws of the United Stales or of the usages of this government docs he find anything in support of the measure it will not be Haz arding very much to say that this House was Nell fore this Limo called upon to pay such a salary for such services. This distinguished minister to Russi is John Randolph. How does he understand Tho terms on which he agreed to embark on this Mission Tho course of conduct pursued by him since his departure May Eive us some knowledge on this Point. We Are left in nearly Utler darkness by the department of state concern my nil Tho movements of this minister for Ibe message merely dolls us that to has already taken Benefit under Tho sinecure clause in his charter of legation. To has left the court of our illustrious Friend the Aii Socrati of All Iho russian but when Here Tho Sec re Tail is cautiously silent. The. Chairman of Tho committee on foreign relations has boo equally so can any gentleman of that a Mitlee either i Doctrin a Tom Vittery of state or give us the Liam of a single fact concept log the voyage Abs travels of this min is Toto fours i Felb know whether to is Bose Blic services or. Van Bur i is calling upon us to provide a salary to Are told that to is not where he was sent and that he bad permission to go hence when and whither he might choose but whether he is in Pursuit of health now basking in the Sunshine of Naples or for a like purpose traversing Quot the fog wrap Island of Britain Quot we Are left to Learis from the same authentic documents from which the chairman of the committee on pc eign relations seems to have taken advice Rumor and the Public papers. These a Quot talked of his whereabouts Quot and though without giving daily bulletins of his health habits or motions yet their right to speak and our right to hear cannot be Quested when those a who know and could Tell us the whole truth persevere in a Safe id cautious silence. If to Are left by Tho Secretary without knowledge of his movements or localities we Are equally by him concerning the health of this ambassador we arc merely told that be has already availed himself of Liis right by the term s of his commission to abandon the Public service. In what state of health was Hetlich is he now or probably will he be at any future time for legislating on ibis subject in what a Luminous condition ibis present Secretary has placed this House be Jive an equally distinct new of the past the present and the i lure. Docs any gentleman of this for Milce possess the Power to Tell us whelp John rat Idolph might now or Ever car be required by the terms of his legation he court of Russia is no this salary intended to be Given to him Foi he a services already Render d at that court if his health continues to require in he has we Are told the right 0 choose his place of residence. What re what have been his own opinions concerning that health you have All seen him walk into this House and out of it and must know his own opinions con Corning his own health. We have often heard him pronounce his chronic com Plain Quot a churchyard in \ a he should never live Over com Ali in seed Lime Quot he should die before he has for years been travelling from new York to Liverpool from England to France from America to Europe and from Europe to America in Pur if health. Has he not from All this Learned that neither Lime nor travel can bring Back to age the Bloom of to a infirmity the vigor of health ? were he this moment to walk into this Hall rapped from Tho floor to the eyes in flannel and Fea Laughl what would he Tell you sir concerning his health what of his intended residence in Russia no if he be the judge and who but he can be Tho judge of his own health a he will never again return to the court of the Czar. We Are therefore directed and required by the Secretary of state to appropriate this itemof9000 dollars for the salary of a Public minister who has been a the Public service at the place of his tined residence not much More than a like a Imber of Days. He arrived Al st. Petersburgh was presented to the Empe made his Liow or Gei inflexion retired and went to England France Italy or where no mortal Man on this Sije Tho Atlantic can inform us. During this nine Day s residence what services did to Render to the Ami people the Secretary is satisfied and we surely ought not to be anxious Noui this great Al stir. To Are told it is a mat his ively within the comic Icicy of the executive and therefore it is i presume considered that Iho of the people have no other vocation but to vote Iho promised and required Coin pen Salon. To certainly succeeded even in that Short Lime in rendering himself very distinguished at the Courto Russia and therefore it May be said in giving equal celebrity to his country. To certainly gave voice to every Tongue of Rumor in both hemispheres. His Mission will Here Aller be regarded As an Era in our foreign relations and the residence of Randolph Al the court of Russia will Long be talked of As a phenomenon in diplomacy. For this to must give him Tho �0000 demanded by the Secretary. What could such a Man do for Liia court try in the character Ofaf reign minister just what he has done which was very much like what each Man in the nation of ii parties who knew him must pc Ted he would do. Genius to certainly has for he is original and unlike All other men. If you please to is eloquent but if 80, that eloquence is like Lii self Sui generis. These have enabled him to perform what to has done could they qualify him for the services of a great diplomatic minister do not these require sound judgment deep extensive and regular thinking laborious perseverance in business and above All prudence and vigilant circumspection in his thirty years Public service where ate Tho monuments of his political Wisdom and labors if patriotism they arc All Ofa piece of me uniform character and this russian residence will neither give the Blush nor Tho Palm to any Tihor Public traction of this remark ahls Nita Liu Camic. With a perfect knowledge of this Man the Secretary of state could no it have con trived this lotion so different from All others with any View Lotho Public Servici this Man was sent out not to Benefit the people abroad hut to relieve the minis ration at Home. The Crafty Secretary had witnessed Tho political movements . He feared the conv it might return again and visit is Pontili Cal hemisphere. He had seen it Blaze ii per helium Quot with Star of change perplexing men in Power was it not prudent to remove this Stai of malign influence to another sky lib been done and the nation must pay n for n Mission made for the advancement but made to secure 111 political Power of this Secretary. To have been told that our relation Wilh Russia Are of High and important ii Forest and therefore we cannot dispense the this appropriation because if we a fuse this salary we shall defeat the mis should this Mission by which no Public Benefit was in ended and from hich none can be hoped be recalled May be replaced by one of better purpose ind of finont character. It is an Obs True Ion in the Quot straight to Briard Quot Pathol oui Ela Lions Wilh Russia and we Are labor no 10 Abate or to remove it out of the Way our relations Wilh Ibal govern Mon a re truly important. That Empire is perhaps the most numerous in population a ily the most in Terri tory of any Power on the Globe. In ration of the old world otherwise than by colonies approached so near to us. This people is advancing in civilization wealth id Power beyond any in it Sec Mer history. In the last controversy of Between Russia and the of Empire had not other Powers of Europe interposed a shielding hand Tho moslem Flora Dominion of More than four cent resin the fairest part of Europe had Beci driven beyond the bosporus and Thi autocrat of Russia would have ascended the throne of cons Anline. At All limes Jur relations Vith such a Power must be important to the american people. Are those relations taken care of now As Here Volore they have been and As now especially they ought to be yes sir i say As now they should be. For now Europe is convulsed and agila de from the Mediterranean to the Bailie the flame of War is but just repressed. Troops Are called into the Field in almost cry nation and Russia in a kind of inter Campaign has sent out 200,000 solders to her South Western Frontier to Lookout on the old Battle Fields of Belgium and France in this condition of Europe do to not require an Able a diligent a resident minister of Russia withhold ibis appropriation abolish this sinecure legation and this May be Eflee Ted. One other fact in the history of Urdi Macy renders the residence Ofa skilful faithful minister at that court at thin time above All others indispensable. We learn from the department of slate through the same medium this message Caty of Amity and Commerce has been Negeli Ald bet Cenite United slates id the Sublime pole. Tho Secretary Ith great Candor told us what the Turk had agreed to do for the Christian hut he Ith great caution concealed what the Christian had agreed to do for the Turk. This gentleman is As Well persuaded As the French Monarch was that Quot to who own not How to dissemble knows not How Rumor has run clean counter or Van Buren for though she often tells More than the Teilh she never tells less. What have to Learned from this Wilness Why truly that do is contained in this irely and this was i believe published in Thi pers before we received the message ii is said it is believed that by this article the american people agree to furnish armed ships to the Sultan of Turki his future wars with Christian nations. Do you believe sir that our envoy had left constantinople before the russian minister at the Porte knew this fact Thi very Dragoman by whom your or Rhind talked with the Reis Effendi would preparation for War must have had some tendency to place our relations with Russia on a footing not the most Terni and Friendly. Does not sound policy sea not National Good sense Call on the ame ican people to have an Able minister at that court and that Loo right speedily Havo to one there now under themis lion for which this appropriation is to be made Are we Likely soon or ver id not say to have such a Man there hut to have Quot there any minister at All ? in answer to ail these anxious forebodings we Are told that in the absence of the minister Iho Secretary of legation lakes very special Atid satisfactory care i your relations at the court of st. Be ice Burgh if this were not Loo ludicrous it must to received of a Mere mockery of the american people. When this paragraph came from under his pea or. Secretory von Buren Raust if to had placed his hand there have Felt something m his face different from in external smile. To b Liis Secretary of legation the protege of the minister John Randolph Clay a lad of less or certainly not More than Twenty one years old undistinguished by talents education or employment Wilh a Quaintance with men or things or Oess. A youth to whom Fame has not nor have his friends attributed any thing extraordinary., either in Possession or Promise and Wilh nothing but his str name recommend him to Public Otle lion. I raid not i cannot speak in derogation of his youth and All i would say is that to must to utterly unqualified Forth pub Lic station where he is placed. The ser ice requires men the nation has Al Lenin herculean men. Why then Hazard or interests perhaps our peace by placing he weight of empires on the slender shoulders of boyhood let us strike out this appropriation that this sinecure this slats Mission May be avoided that Tho minister May return to his Quot Quot he s Secretary to his studies and that the president May Send a legation to Ussia fit for the Public service. As it will not lie contended that in sap Propri Alion should be made lie Cavise the gentleman who May take the Benefit of it is a native of Virginia in May gentlemen to assured that these remarks have no sectional origin and i utterly disclaim and and All adversary feeling to that distinguished Commonwealth her interest i and citizens. I have spoken As one of the representatives of the american people ind of one coming from a part of our com Quot non country which has done and will do a Thuch for Thih for half Plato full of piastres have told Tho whole Story to count Orloff and worn he was Quot doing Good service to ii Prophet by betraying one Christian dog to , has Friendship Birthe russian Empire been so cherished by the present Sovereign and his illustrious predecessor that it has become a sentiment of the american people is not this secret article a diplomatic fraud not Only on that Friendship but which it quite As much concerns us to consider upon that Sovereign who has so generously cherished it 1 say nothing now of what May happen if the Turk should again War upon the greek or How it May comport Wilh the Republican principles of Tho Secretary of state wheelie shall Call on this House to furnish ships to that despot thereby aiding him in bringing that people again under his Iron Yoke. What shall Ive soy to Iho emperor of Russia who shall make our Copla Alioti if we shall have any to make it is probable that the news of his treaty and perhaps a copy of it reached Tho court of is. Petersburgh shortly after our minister. Loft that City. The Shor Nesai of his residence there to hts Sud donness of his departure the Ingoll Genci article Tho intended sojourn of that minister perhaps in England France Tho Tutt Tudos Othena Tob Fly Europe All Cirii of / by other part of this nation. This appropriation is opposed because it is in. Tended to support a Misti a donned for purposes unconnected with Llie Public in its places our foreign relations in peril without any justification in Law usage or constitutional principle. Or. J. S. Barbour of Virgina said that he would briefly address the House in reply to Iho gentleman from Rhode Island or. Burgee to said he left Tho entire Force of the Ity Todo so and its obligations could not be lightly regarded. In a subject for grave legislation involving consider Lions that deserved lobe Well weighed in the calmest deliberation it might lie hoped Hal faction and pts a would have paused in reflection. This Hope was vain. Tha Quot fusion of party Malignity has already embittered and discoloured the debate. Will gentlemen allow no moment of repose to the inflamed and angry passions of lit. Ical warfare is discord to banish harm by from our councils and consign to party. All the duties that belong to and involve in Tho name of country the tendency and effect of these things cannot be mistaken nor disguised. Oli Scure them idea As gentlemen May choose the Drift and intent of discussions like this cannot be mis taken. The gentleman from Rhode Island has kindled his sensibilities and indulged in those malevolent epithets that obscure the question in debate and give to feeling full Sway Over the judgment. He has asserted that executive influence control to action of the Mise in declaring that subservience to the executive is beyond do past extent in Tho history of this coun try. Sir if this be the dominant vice of the age it carries alone Side of it a countervailing antidote. The tunes Ore fruitful of unsparing hostility to the executive. But or. Speaker so id or. B. The gentleman is entirely at fault. His Asser lion is a figment of his own fancy and has no foundation in fact. If there to any thin More Han All other things it is Tho total Abs eos if executive influence Over the deliberations of Tho House or of the Senate 1-think that i perceive and could Trace Iho abuses that produce the condition of things it would be a profitless Pursuit even with Tho fullest a Niceas and i to decline it. Bui it is the fact sin. Hilary True thata president of the u. Stales holding in full and sure poses Sirij j larger share of popular affection than most of his predecessors ends that All Liia Nomi nent recommendations to Congress neglected by the represent. ibo Poplo. Bea eng with him the str Hawf evidences of popular regard All his prominent recon. Mend Tiona Banc perished by insertion or. Reject Gnu. This Hay prof Flot a quest too a Itte atm Lepow Rubw

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