Adelaide Southern Cross in Adelaide, South-Australia
25 Apr 1947

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25 Apr 1947

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Adelaide Southern Cross (Newspaper) - April 25, 1947, Adelaide, South Australia National Library of Australia dreadful dilemma of professor Stout teaching religion Dominie Camperdown in the Sydney morning Herald of of november 25, comparing the teaching of religion with that of other subjects professor a. A. Stout of Sydney University said the two different approaches Are bound to cd Wise a cleavage in the child s that is sneer imagination on pro Fessor Stout s part. Season does not justify such a conclusion. Actual results in children who have received their education m religion Side by Side with their training in other subjects do not justify it. Tens of thousands of australian citizens to Day in All walks of life Industrial Commer Cial professional and in the Public service received their education in Catholic schools. There they were taught the supernatural doctrines of their religion together with secular subjects and with one voice they will deny that As children they experienced any cleavage in their minds. True education the More genuinely educational or Mon authoritarian is the treatment of other school subjects continues the professor the greater the cleavage will be.". Genuinely educational the More Hon greater. Meantime the treatment of school subjects is not the More genuinely education the More non authoritarian it is. That notion be trays a glaring fallacy in any Man s philosophy of education and is the outcome of sheer prejudice. A child goes to school to be taught and in All subjects he is taught things he does not know accepting them on the authority of the teacher. No one however says that. It is enough merely to put before a child matter to be Learned. And training Given will be More genuinely educational the More the teacher can stimulate the mental self activity of the children so that they themselves will think into the significance of what they have been taught developing their own rational Powers making the truth their own and getting a real living grasp of their religion and of All other subjects. But All that has nothing to do with the authoritarian or non authoritarian charac Ter of the knowledge which forms the basis of their thinking. Pew Reju. Dies Are More irrational than that of secularists against any notion of authority in religion education and other Fields of human interest. But let us turn to professor Stout s vision of the possibilities ahead of the child who is taught the Christian religion Side by Side with other subjects. Dreadful dilemma two courses Are possible for him. He Conn either cynically pretend to believe what he does not really believe or a sedulously accept it merely because he is told it the child has t got to choose be tween those two courses at All. There is a third possibility which robs pro Fessor Stout s dilemma of All real value. Take a Catholic child who has been duly instructed in the Catholic religion. The child really believes the religious doctrines it has been taught. There is no cynical pretence about it. Those doctrines Are a living vital reality in the child s life. On the other hand the child does not a sedulously accept those doctrines merely because told them. It will of course be useless to Tell unbelievers that the Grace of god enlightens the mind of a baptised child to recognise for itself the truth of the teachings of Christ a perception which of its very nature excludes any charge of Mere credulity. Unbelievers will reject such an Appeal to the supernatural. They will accuse the child of credulity unless natural and purely rational motives can be produced for its acceptance of the religious teachings put before it. Very Well. Whatever May be said of other children the Catholic child at least has a sound rational motive in its realisation of the fact that in teaching the Catholic Faith the Tea Cher is not merely explaining his own individual opinions or the Doc Trines of a particular sect but the official teachings of that vast Church which is one holy Catholic and Apos Tolic to which innumerable saints and doctors and martyrs in every age have devoted their lives. Those rho have never Beeri. Catholics and have. Never had this experience May. Deny that it is possible for a child to apprehend such a motive. But Catholic children do apprehend it not indeed selections from the question Box session conducted by Rev. Or. Rumble m.s.c., broadcast from station 2sm every sunday night. With the clarity of an adult who has deeply studied the subject but sufficiently for the purposes of a True moral certainty which eliminates Mere credulity. Inadequate knowledge but neither cynicism nor credulity declares professor Stout is a desirable with that All will agree. But neither cynicism nor credulity is the necessary result of teaching Catholic children their religion. Such children become Well instructed and truly educated in the religion they accept with genuine Christian Faith. And if pro Fessor Stout cannot see any differ ence Between genuine Christian Faith and Mere credulity then in discuss ing the subject of Christian Educa Tion he is discussing a subject he does not understand. Now he turns to the question of moral training a subject we must Reserve for next week. # old testament books 24 Smithfield Bondi could you Tell me Why there Are 4.6 books in the roman Catholic old testament whilst there Are Only 39 in the protestant version that is because protestants adopted the old testament list of books contained in the hebrew Bible used by the jews of Palestine whilst the Catholic Church adopted that contained in the greek Bible used by the jews of Alexandria. The latter is called the septuagint meaning 70, because it is ascribed to 70 translators whose purpose was to provide greek speaking jews with the Bible in the language they used. The septuagint translation was made during the three centuries before Christ. Correct list who is to say which list. Of books is Correct. There is no authority on Earth which can Settle that question if one does not accept the authority of the Catholic Church. It is to be noted that the jews themselves accepted the 46 books of the septuagint until after the coming of Christ. Thus Val Lentine s jewish encyclopaedia says the appearance of the septuagint was greeted with enthusiasm by the jews everywhere but with the Rise of the Christian sect and its adoption of this version of the Bible the jews began to denounce it Vehe it is to be noted too that Christ and the apostles undoubtedly placed Reliance upon the septuagint. And it is not too much to say that As the jews rejected its list of books through hostility to christianity the protestant reformers did so through hostility to catholicism. And Many protestant scholars to Day deplore the fact. For a Catholic of course the authority of the Catholic Church is decisive in this matter. Having no authority upon which to rely protestants can never have certainty concerning it. The 6i8ii air seeker after truth,4 Tasmania True protestantism believes in the Bible and the Bible if that be the Case an insuperable difficulty arises at once. For the Bible itself rejects the teaching that the Bible Only is or was Ever meant to be a sufficient religious guide. The Bible tells us that Christ established his Church upon the apostles and commissioned that Church in the per sons of the apostles to teach Allna tons and it tells us also that the first christians All persevered in the doctrine of the. to pro fess belief in the Bible Only As a sufficient guide is to assert belief and unbelief in the. Bible in one and the same breath. Cause of divisions l read the statement recently that Christian scientists Core completely satisfied with mrs. Eddy s teach ing including her interpretation of the i agree with you that Christian Faith is not Faith in mrs. Eddy Here we have an underlying Prin Ciple that is the inherent cause of the great divisions there Are amongst the protestant churches one 804 8, we believe what Patter so and so says another hew did mrs. Somebody else interpret the scriptures and so we go round the different churches and find they All believe in particular individuals. You rightly diagnose the disease and that is All to the Good. But i m afraid the treatment you prescribe won t remedy things. Finite minds Are we justified in accepting the interpretation of scripture from a finite mind when the scripture is the inspiration of we infinite ii tim., 3, 16 ? though sacred scripture is inspired by the infinite god we can not escape accepting the interpretation placed upon it by finite minds. After All scripture must mean some thing. To declare that meaning is to interpret it. And As human beings have Only finite minds they must either rely on interpretations arrived at by finite minds or refuse to attribute any meaning to scrip Ture at All need of a guide in answering no what Are we then to do we cannot answer either we must accept the interpretation arrived at by your own finite mind or that arrived at and taught by other finite minds. In the latter Case the Choice is Between unauthorised and fallible human minds or an authorised and infallible teacher in this world if such exists. I main Tain that Christ left an authorised and infallible teacher in the Catholic Church founded upon the apostles and continuing their apostolate. But As you do not Realise that you Are compelled to suggest another alternative. Bible not enough let scripture be its own interpreter or dictionary. No Book even one inspired by god can be its own interpreter. Acts Viii 27-39, tells us that when Philip found the ethiopian Reading the Bible he said to him thinnest thou that thou understand est what thou realest the Man replied and How can i unless some Man show me then Philip in the name of the Church interpreted the scripture for him. In search of Unity then instead of a multiplicity \ of beliefs. And denominations there would be that Unity amongst be Lievers such As exists Between Christ and his father. In. Xvii 21. Rightly you maintain the Neces sity of Unity. But you offer As a remedy for our sad divisions the very thing that has caused them. Protestants rejected the teaching authority of the Catholic Church and advocated each Man Reading the Bible for himself. But to the Appeal what does the Bible say different men gave different answers. Each thought he alone had rightly discerned " its meaning accusing the others. Of interpreting it to suit themselves. Hence arose the multiplicity of beliefs and denominations you deplore. And along the lines you suggest there is no escape from Catholic solution herein lie the credentials that the Bible claims of which no other Book can boast that it is its own in that itself is an interpretation arrived at by your own finite mind and it is at variance with the declaration of the Bible itself. For nowhere does the. Bible claim to be its own in fact it declares the opposite. St. Paul tells. Timothy that it is the Church of the living god which is the pillar and ground of truth i tim., Iii 15 and again he writes to Timothy As being a Bishop of that Church keep tie Good thing committed to thy Trust by the holy ghost. Preach the word. Reprove entreat rebuke in All patience and doctrine ii tim., i 14 Iii 2. What does that mean but to interpret scripture correctly and insist on the acceptance of the True interpretation declared. In the name of the Church. The Only truly biblical position is the Catholic Posi. Turn and the Catholic Church is the Only one which has succeeded in pre serving the Unity you yourself Rea Lise to be so necessary. In subsequent sessions i will Deal with your further letter on these matters when the position of the Church will i Hope become clearer to you. puzzled Catholic hurl Stone Park can a divorced person be married by a priest in a Catholic Church not if that divorced person s pre Vious marriage was valid and both parties to it were baptised christians. \ 7 have heard of a Case where two non catholics married and later got a divorce. The woman later be came a convert to the Catholic Church and married a Catholic in the Catholic Church. How could that be i have insufficient knowledge of the facts of the Case to be Able to give an explanation. Normally the marriage of two non catholics in their own Church or a registry office is valid and binding until death in the eyes of the Catholic Church. But the previous marriage of the woman you mention May not have been nor Mal. There May have been a Diri ment impediment rendering that marriage null and void in itself or one or both of the parties May never have been baptised thus enabling the Church to Deal with it As a non Christian and not a Christian marriage. But guess work is useless. We can but take it for granted that the proper Catholic authorities in All such cases have gone fully into the facts and have made sure that their decision was in keeping with sound Christian principles. Catholic prodigals if two catholics marry drop their religion get a divorce and both marry again then both divorce their second partners could they be re married to each other in the Catholic Church no. In the eyes of the Catholic Church they. Are still husband and wife. Their first marriage could be broken Only by death not by divorce. Their second marriages therefore in the eyes of the Catholic Church were not marriages at All. Were they reconciled to each other they would be quite free to resume marital life. State recognition since the state awing to their civil divorce would regard them As not married to each o Titer they would have to be re married to comply with the Law of the land. They would violate no Law of the land by living together again with out further ceremony. But if they did that they would have to be con tent to do without Legal recognition of their status As married persons. If they wanted to go through purely Legal formalities in order to regain civil privileges that could be arranged with permission of the Bishop who would Lay Down the conditions to he observed. L p. M. Davies Bondi Junction Are the passages in the Bible on which the doctrine of the infallibility of the Pope is based omitted from protestant bibles the doctrine of the infallibility of the Pope is based upon the infallible teaching authority of Christ communicated by him to the Catholic Church. Certain passages in the Bible which support that doctrine Are quoted by Catholic theologians As Evi Dence of it passages which Are not omitted from protestant bibles but the significance of which they fail to see or refuse to accept. Wishful thinking if. They Are not omitted from pro Testant bibles would it not be obvious to protestants that their Severance from the Pope was contrary to the teachings of their Bible Nof necessarily for people can fail to see even the obvious if they refuse to look at it for fear that it might be True or look at it Only. Wit minds absorbed by thoughts of How to escape its implications. On the other hand if the passages in question do not imply the supremacy and infallibility of the pops would it not be obvious to the far greater multitude of catholics that the Bible did not support his claims human nature being what it is submission to those continued top of next column \ "

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