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Adelaide South Australian Register (Newspaper) - October 3, 1851, Adelaide, South Australia National Library of Australia Brandy whilst the is 6jd. On tobacco which was usually sold at 8d. Per ft., would be serious inducement to smug gling. He thought a differential system of duties similar to that adopted in Sydney might be introduced Here and that Brandy which could be purchased for 2s. Lod. Per gallon should be a less duty than other spirits. Or. Hare would support the 5s. Duty As it would suppress illicit distillation which from his excursion for the purpose of Geol giving m the Hills he knew was carried on to a great extent the collector of customs had hoped that whence consented to make alterations in accordance with the views of the Hon. Member for mount Barker and others they should have carried the majority or a Large Section of the House with them and in particular that the Hon member for mount Barker would have supported him in the duty on tobacco j but As that did not appear to be the Case he would at once move that the duty on spirits be 6s. Per gallon or. Giles seconded the motion. On the speaker declaring the motion to be carried by the ayes or. Baker demanded a division the result of which was As follows ayes. Noes. Colonial Secretary or. Neales registrar general or. Elder advocate general or. Hall collector of customs or. Hare or. Grainger or. Peacock or. Gwynne or. Baker or. . Gfle3 or. Kingston. Or. Waterhouse or. Davenport or. Angas or. Hart Captain Bagot or. Ellis tellers the collector of customs and or. Baker. Or. Peacock thought the 2s. On wine not in proportion to that on spirits. Or. Neales maintained that it amounted to cent per cent As regarded care wines. He would therefore Divide the House on it or. Baker thought it the Best article on which a duty could be placed. The collector of customs explained that Cape wine was but Little used now As our own wines were found to be purer and better. Hear hear he then moved the following Resolution u that the duty on wine be 2s. Per gallon on Beer 4d. Per gallon on manufactured tobacco is. 6.1. Per la. On cigars and snuff 23. 6d. Per it. On Coffee 6a. Per cwt and on drapery 5 per cent and Valorme it was carried nem con. The House then resumed and the report was brought up. Judges salaries Bill. The advocate general in moving the second Reading of the. Bill said the salary of judge Cooper was fixed at �1,000, and that of judge Crawford at �800, at a period when the Price of Many articles of general consumption was much lower than at present and when the scale of living in that position which the judges were expected to maintain was less expensive than at present or was Likely to be in future. Then there was a great difference in the condition of the Colony the population had increased and was increasing the judicial duties were increasing in amount and importance and the Revenue also was consider ably augmented. It had been for some time Felt that the salaries paid to the judges were below what those Learned functionaries were entitled to hear hear especially when the nature of the duties they were called on to perform was taken into consideration. It a therefore proposed to introduce a measure for the purpose of augmenting the salaries of the judges preserving still the difference Between them that at present existed. The Only question the Council was called on to affirm was the expediency of altering the amount now paid to the judges who presided in the supreme court. He was convinced no Hon. Member would consider �800 a sufficient amount for a gentleman competent to fulfil the duties of a judge and As the second Reading of the Bill Only sanctioned the principle without binding Hon. Members to amount he anticipated no opposition but would at once move that the Bill be read a second time. The registrar general did not think it would be necessary to add anything to the remarks of the advocate general As he had no doubt the House would Sanction the proposed increase of salary to officers who performed such onerous duties the More especially As the amount now fixed would Only be allowed by a special Law and would not be open to increase at every annual consideration. It was in fact not so Mack an alteration for the present As for the future. Or. Hare enquired the amount of salary paid to the judges in Victoria. He thought the population being nearly the same the duties must be nearly alike and then the Cost of one place would be a fair criterion to judge what the Cost should be in the other place. The advocate general could not speak positively but he thought the salary of the judge at port Phillip was �1,500 per annul. Or. Waterhouse was not aware that matter would be brought Forward that Day and he was of opinion that it was not advisable to give but one Day s notice of the second Reading of a bul in fact it prevented members being pre pared to support or propose a measure As they might they had a longer notice. Hear from or. Angas he would therefore move that the second Reading of the Bill be Adi orned until that Dav week or. Angas seconded the amendment. The advocate general was not aware that any Hon. Member was enabled to ask for the postponement of a measure of which due notice had been Given simply on the ground that he was not prepared to discuss it. Hear hear had he been asked As a favour not to bring the matter before the House at that moment he might have assented but As the Case stood he would Divide the Counci cheers or. Baker suggested that the amendment should be withdrawn and then perhaps the Learned advocate general would not press the second Reading. A laugh the advocate general could Only do so on the understanding that it was a convenience. The collector of customs thought the Bill was one upon which Hon. Members could very easily make up their minds. Hear hear they would have no authorities to consult no precedents to refer to. They know the gentlemen the duties they performed and that their present salary was not compatible with those duties or the dignity of the office they filled. He really could see no advantage in delay As they were As competent to Deal with the question then As they could be at any future period of the session. Cheers i or. Hart could not see what advantage would be gained by delay and the matter was so Long before the Council that Hon. Members could scarcely complain of being taken by Surprise. Or. Angas As Seconder of the amendment was willing to consent to Ite withdrawal. Or. Gwynne observed that it was agreed that the salaries of the judges were too Low and that they should be raised arid the collector of customs had Well observed they were not Likely to find any authorities that would throw Harht on the subject neither the salaries of the judges at Home or in the neighbouring colonies would furnish us standards to go by. The Only question was the Cost of living in the sphere in which those gentlemen were expected to move. The salary of the judge of Victoria he a right remark was �1,500 a year but without reference to that fact he would vote for the second Reading of the Bill and against the adjournment or. Waterhouse would withdraw his amendment but wished to make one remark. He thought the principle of the Bill objectionable and that the judges were sufficiently paid. In Canada where there was a much larger population the salary of the. Chief Justice was �900, and that of the Puisze judge �800 per annul. If the Council raised the salaries of the judges it was in some degree bound to make a corresponding increase in All the official salaries so that it was not merely a question As to the salary of the judges that was involved. Hear hear or. Hall thought there was a wide distinction to be drawn Between the judges of the land and All other Public officers. The Council should endeavour to place the judges in that position in which they would be free from any embarrassment or anxiety. He thought the pure administration of Justice was a Paramount consideration. The colonial Secretary thought the character of the judges and the important functions they performed required that they should be placed in such easy Circum stances that they might perform their duties with quiet minds and the state of the Colony warranted the proposed increase. It should also be borne in mind that those gentlemen must possess qualifications that in the private prac Tice of the profession would realize Large incomes. Or. Dutton Felt certain the opinion of the Hon. Member for East Torrens would not receive general acceptation in that Honse. He was also of opinion that the judges were not Well paid arid was consequently in favour of. A. Prin Ciple of the Bill but would Reserve his remarks As to the amount of increase when that question was before the House. Or. Baker Felt called upon to explain Why he Wouldhave voted for the amendment in the Imperial act the sum of �8,000 was set Down from which the salaries of governor and judges were to be defrayed whereas there was a much larger sum on the estimates. Then it was Well known that a very considerable proportion of the former duties of the supreme court were now being performed by the local courts at an expense which appeared under another head. Before judge Crawford arrived judge Cooper did All the work and he or Baker would like to see a return of the writs issued eur Ca?e8 tried m was the evident that the separation of the business he had referred to and the proposed increase in the judges salaries would greatly augment the Public burdens. He quite agreed in the propriety of keeping the judges perfectly Independent but his Honor judge Craw Ord was Here but a Short time. He knew his salary when he accepted the appointment Aud he or. Baker could not see Why it should now be increased 50 per cent. There was no doubt the Colony was fortunate in having such men especially judge owner who had been Here so Long and had Given under All circumstances such unqualified satisfaction. He really thought there should be some Mark of approbation bestowed on his Honor and he for one would be very Happy to have the Queen s authority to address him As chief Justice or sit Charles Cooper. Cheers or Angas protested against the extravagant expenditure in this Colony. He considered that with the Large sums voted for Public works and the increased expenses they were so willing to incur that the Revenue would fall Short of the demands upon it he Well knew How to Esti mate god Law and Independent judges but there were some other considerations connected with the administration of Justice that should not be overlooked. Hear hear it should not be forgotten that there was a considerable pro portion of the Community placed beyond the Means of availing themselves of the courts of Justice and worse still of even police Protection. Hear hear it was a great matter to have an efficiently conducted supreme court but it was necessary to have a Road leading to it hear hear he really thought the Council would be better employed in devising Means by which Access could be had to the judges than in increasing their salaries. While there was no Protection for life and property in the Distant districts it be moved the House to eschew extravagance in the judicial As Well As every other establishment. Or. Giles Felt he had on that occasion a duty to perform to his constituents and he was prepared to perform it he believed the judges to be Bath honourable and upright men who did their duty correctly and conscientiously but still he thought there should be no Large salaries at the present time. He was willing to say that judge Cooper should have �1,200, and judge Crawford �1,000 per annul and that he would vote for if he stood alone. Or. Hart said there were no men in the Colony who should be so Well paid As the judges and it would be false Economy to limit their salaries. It was known to the House that judge Cooper s salary was for years very limited and he was on that account apart from his very efficient services entitled to an increase. It was also known that judge Crawford came Here on the distinct understanding that Nis salary was to be increased. A Man like judge Crawford would make considerably More than he received by the private practice of his profession and he or. Hart would Hail with great pleasure such a Mark of Royal approbation As was referred to by the Hon. Member for mount Barker with reference to judge Cooper. It was the usual Mode of rewarding Long Aud satisfactory judicial services and no colonial judge better deserved such Reward than or. Justice Cooper. Hear hear they had now 70,000 inhabitants in the Colony and before they would be again called upon to raise the judges salaries there would be a threefold increase of population and judicial business. Hear hear he considered the salaries annexed to the office of judge in this Colony was not sufficient to repay lawyers of standing to come out Here and that the gentlemen who did so lost More than they gained by their honourable appointments and it would be a serious loss to the Colony to have such offices filled by men of mediocre ability. Hear hear the speaker then put the question which being car ried the Bill was read a second time. The advocate general in reply to or. Baker said he would give notice next Day that he would on tues Day move that the House do go into committee on the Bui. City commissioners. The advocate general moved the suspension of the standing orders that he might in trounce a Bill to enable the City commissioners to continue to exercise their Powers and authorities until they were suspended by the municipal officers. The Bill contained Only one clause and he explained on the previous Day the necessity for its introduction. The registrar general seconded he hoped the House would see the propriety of agreeing to the measure it involved no principle but was intended to continue in operation works of great practical Utility. Or. Waterhouse did not think it was Good policy to suspend the standing orders but As they might be considered As having none he could not object ust the advocate general s motion was agreed to and he proceeded to move the first and second Reading which were agreed to and then the House proceeded to consider the Bui in committee. Or. Neales asked if it was intended to continue the Powers of the City commissioners indefinitely or to a fixed Date say the 7th december when the civic elections were to take place ? a knowledge of that fact would influence the City commissioners in accept no contracts and in enforcing the collection of taxes. The advocate general said the renewed Powers void extend to the Van dec Ember or longer u any in Reseen circumstance should prevent the elections taking place. Or. Neales thought there should be a clause Intro Lucid to prevent their sudden removal which might have a very inconvenient operation. The advocate general would move that the enacting clause do stand and that would give the Hon. Member an Opportunity to move an addition or an Amend ment he did that not to prevent discussion but that it might be conducted regularly. Captain Bagot thought words might be introduced jiving the City commissioners Power to act for one month after the election or until the corporation would be in a position to take charge. Or. Waterhouse remarked that there was a Preva Lent opinion that it would be expedient for the City com missioners to hold office until june 1852. The advocate general thought one week after the elections would be sufficient it was not to be supposed that the City commissioners successors would enter upon their duties in a spirit hostile to them. Or. Neales explained. The inspector of nuisances might Lay an information under their direction yet before the Case could be heard their Power would have been deter mined. He thought the City commissioners should be compelled to keep office until their intended successors were in a position to take office. Or. Dutton saw no necessity for any alteration of the Bill before the House. The advocate general then moved the adoption of the enacting clause the preamble and title of the bul All of which were agreed to. He then brought up the re port and the Council resumed after which he moved the third Reading of the Bui which was introduced discussed and passed in about Twenty minutes. Or. Tailor s of atm or. Elder said the report of the select committee had been printed and Laid on the table and it was his duty to move that it be adopted. The committee Only recommended that or. Jacob should receive strict Justice what he could recover if he was in a position to sue for his right in a court of Law. He or. Elder did not Appeal to the honour of the House but he did Appeal to its sense of Justice. It was not a Mere question of expense but. The expenditure was a just one. For his own part he knew of no duty More incumbent on honest men than to discharge their just debts. Cheers he begged to move select committee on the claim of or. Wil Liam Jacob be adopted by the House and that a copy of the same be forwarded to the lieutenant governor along with a respectful address praying that his excellency will make Early provision for the payment of the claim the registrar general was sorry that the Hon. Member should have seen a necessity for adopting that course As the matter had been under the consideration of a committee of the House. He had no doubt the committee had Given every attention to the subject int be Felt it his duty to the Public to. Vote against the motion before the House. Hon. Members should not look on that As an isolated Case nor take it upon its own merits. Hear hear it was but one of several cases that were brought from time to time before the Council. The state of the Colony when those claims originated should be taken into consideration. The Colony was then in a state of insolvency and certain Bills drawn by governor Grey were returned dishonoured and one of those Bills was unfortunately held by the gentleman whose claim was under consideration. In determine those claims Hon. Members should Bear in mind that in 1841 and 1842 parliament had to interfere by special estimate to save the credit of the parties who issued those Bills and that when her majesty s ministers advised the House of commons to vote such a Large sum As �200,000 the dishonoured Bills amounted to �136,000it was on the condition that nothing but the principal of the Bills should be paid a course which was consistent with the practice of parliament on such occasions feeling doubtless that As the funds were to come from the Imperial Treasury they had. A right to dictate conditions ? the reason Why her majesty s ministers would not Aik parliament to pay Inci rental expenses As Well As the principal was because they thought All parties should Bear part of the consequences arising from the general i Providence. Hear hear they made it a further condition also that in the Settle ment of those Bills that the receipt should be in full of All demands. Other Bills were afterwards drawn by governor Grey and they were dishonoured and afterwards met out of the parliamentary Grant so that in receiving those claims they should be regarded As one question. When those Bills were paid in the Colony it was chiefly by debentures and or Jacob received the amount of his bul with interest at 5 per cent but he was not paid the incidental expenses. The Home government carefully considered the matter and Laid Down those principles being the same As that on which the drafts of the colonization com missioners were met. If that Council had to pay the claims on Bills issued by governor Grey they would find �10,000 would scarcely meet the demand. Hear hear not Only would they have to meet that amount but a ques Tion might arise As to whether the holders of the Bills had not in the same sense of Justice other claims ? hear hear he could not see any distinction Between the claims put Forward by or. Jacob and those other claims which might be advanced. Or. Hare in seconding the motion said the registrar general intimated that there might be More claims and his reasoning led to the conclusion that they should not pay a just debt of Small amount lest equally just debts of larger amount might be claimed. Hear hear he said the debts were incurred when the Colony was in a state of solvency Well was that a reason that they should not be paid now that the Colony was prosperous ? cheers the other arguments might be Good if the applicant addressed himself to the House of commons but they who had his labour his honest labour and paid him with a Rascal Bill a laugh had no right to impose conditions on the Man who but for the Eben by of the workmen would have been rained through the injustice of the government cheers the committee had decided that tha claim was an honest one and it would be a double injustice to refuse to comply with the recommendation of the committee it would be an injustice to their own character and an additional injustice to one who had already too much wrong to complain of. Cheers he or. Hare was in common with most englishmen oppo de to excessive taxation but he would cheerfully pay his part of any increase of taxation necessary to remove the odium of withhold or Navi nent of just debts. Hear hear or. Angas thought it inconsistent to propose an in crease of salaries whue they refused to pay a just debt hear hear and he was constrained to declare that the registrar general s statement that the Colony was in solvent was nothing Short of a libel on it he denied that the Colony Ever was insolvent he recoil Eteo. The govern ment being insolvent when the South australian Liana advanced the Means to carry it on. It was too much the practice of officials to talk of the Colony having been in solvent but that was the conduct of its enemies not of its friends. Hear hear governor Gawler never had Power from the colonization commissioners to Issue his Buls. He or. Angas merely spoke of his Power he did not mean to question the policy of his having done so. When news of the Bills was received in England he was empowered to retire them and waited on lord John Russel with an offer to do so but was told it was too late. Hear hear at that time the commissioners could have raised �200,000, sufficient to meet All liabilities. He would say then and he hoped never to have to say it again but there was at that time anything but a Friendly spirit exhibited by the colonial office to the Colony. Nothing but the indomitable perseverance prudence Aud Economy of the settlers could have enabled them to survive the discouragement of that period. The wonder was that the colonial office did not crush the Colony As it appeared desirous to do indeed there was nothing Mora common then than to speak of the Colony As an Experiment that a. I failed. Hear hear the registrar general spoke of general i Providence he or. Angas could us restrain his indignation when he heard such language applied to the Iii ? used Early colonists. There was i Providence but it was on the part of the government not on the part of the people. There were too Many emigrants sent out who had to live for two years on imported provisions. If there was reckless extravagance the charge Only applied to those who mismanaged their affairs in the Mother country but not in any act of the colonists of South Australia. If injury has been sustained from the government by any individual the government should repair that injury. Had he been aware of the turn the discussion would have taken he would have come prepared with proofs that the Colony was not accountable for any of the acts which were from time to time saddled upon it. He would Bear testimony to the fact that Justice had not been done to the Colony during the first six years of its existence. Had the colonists of awned Feii rights they never would have asked for a loan. When lord John Russel concurred in the rejection of those Bills he obtained a committee of the House of com Mons to enquire into the affairs of South Australia but at that time there was not an individual in England who was known to possess any information such however was found and then delays were resorted to and considerable mischief resulted to the holders of the Bills but they had Confidence and determined to hold the Bills until the report of the committee was brought up. Or. Waterh0us5 complimented the Hon. Mummer Tor Iarossa Lor the convincing arguments he advanced to prove the colonists of South Australia owed nothing to or. Jocob. Hear hear As the Hon. Member had proved the people were not indebted to the claimant he would scarcely be one to vote that they should pay a debt which they did not owe. As he air. Waterhouse did not see How they could refuse to abide by Tho report of the committee be would big glad if some supporter of tie claim would More an amendment that it be placed to the charge of the land fund. Hear hear or. Dutton could not on hearing the speech of the lion member for Barossa help exclaiming save me from my friends a laugh he could not concur in the report of the committee and was rather disappointed As the chairman had not thought fit to refer to the reasons on which the committee founded its recommendation that compensation should be made from the general Revenue. At the same time he or. Dutton agreed that compensation should be made to or. Jacob. Or. Kingston remarked that lately some of the land surveyed by or. Jacob had been sold and the whole of it would no doubt now be rapidly disposed of. Under those circumstances the colonists would be actually deriving advantage from the claimant s services and to follow out the idea of the Hon. Member for East Torrens he would move that the claim be liquidated from the land fund. He was quite certain the Public would be better pleased at that appropriation than they would at any Money applied to the Golowa railway. Or. Baker said the Hon. Member for East Adelaide had derisively remarked that the speech of the Hon. Member for Barossa had not done the claimant s cause much service. We his or. Dutton s speech had not done it much in jury. Hear and a laugh he admitted there was a wrong done and that a claim existed and it was so. They were every Day gaining the advantages resulting from or. Jacob s Survey and they should pay for that advantage. Hear hear it a no answer to a fair claim to say that it was incurred by Irres onside predecessors that would be a bad precedent to form As the successors of the City commissioners might follow that example a laugh and they might object with the greater propriety inasmuch Sis they could perhaps say they derived no advantage from the liability. Laughter he hoped the Bon. Registrar general would As a member of the government profit by the know ledge he had of the season of insolvency brought on by government mismanagement and avoid the commission of such errors As led to that insolvency. But that insolvency did not make the claims an unjust one and it did not Fol Low that because there were other claims equally just that they should refuse to pay that one. It had been suggested to him by an Hon. Gentleman on the government Bench that it would be Wise to put an Export duty of id. Per la. On Wool to meet those claims. He had Only to say that he would consent to that or to an income tax or any other expedient rather than be a party to a Public injustice. Cheers that was a matter on which the colonists on the spot and cognizant of the circumstances were More capable of forming a Correct opinion than and he said it with most profound respect the lords of the Treasury. Laughter the colonists were not Only acquainted with the merits of the Case but they were too deeply interested in maintaining credit of the Colony to look with favour on that american the system of repudiating just claims. Cheers or. Peacock supported the motion and urged the fairness of or. Jacob s claim. Or. Gwynne scarcely liked to Ortrude himself upon the House particularly As he had to oppose that Side of it with which he would prefer acting. He considered very illiberal comments had been made on the speech of the Hon. Member for Barossa and that in fact the Case was altogether one of feeling rather than of reason. It was admitted that the sum claimed was due but some of the most ingenious devices he Ever heard were advanced to justify a refusal to pay that sum. Hear hear he said the arguments were ingenious but it was an ingenuity More consistent with the character of a Blackleg or a swindler than the honour Able policy of a statesman or a legislator. Sensation the Hon. Member for Barossa proved most conclusively that the Colony was not in a state of insolvency and if a party endeavoured to avoid paying a claim by pleading in solvency it certainly could not injure that claim by showing the party was not insolvent it was admitted or. Jacob performed services for the Colony that he was paid by a Bill which was dishonoured but eventually received the principal without the attendant expenses and those expenses he now claimed. He or. Gwynne had heard no argument worthy of the attention of a Man of honour against the claim. Hear hear for his part greatly As he prize the advantages of the most important Public works in contemplation highly As he entertained the Benefit to accrue from the port Radway and the City waterworks much As the Man of property and the labourer would profit by undertakings so calculated to raise them in the scale of civilization and social enjoyment he declared to god he would rather give them up than allow a claim like that to go unsatisfied. Cheers he would be ashamed to look his fellow colonists in Tho face if his name did not appear in the division in support of that claim. Cheers or. Hart said he did not think the claim could be defrayed from the land fund and As to the argument about an irresponsible government it would f acted on entail difficulties on the Colony which it would not be easy to see the end of. Hear hear if it was Well for the Colony to be in god credit As it must be if they intended to borrow Money which he believed they did the fact of paying those claims would be a gain to the Colony rather than a loss. The amount of credit or discredit that would Fonow their discussion must be evident to every Hon. Member. Then they were in expectation of having a More responsible government in fact they hoped to see the nominees turned out of that House. A laugh and what would be the result if the reconstructed Council were to repudiate their acts ? hear hear it would have As Mush right to do so As they had to refuse payment of a debt contracted by an accredited agent of her majesty. He concurred in the Hope that the gentlemen on the Treasury beaches would take a lesson from the Case now before the House and avoid incurring such debts by not running into such reckless expenditure As that which the registrar general had re Jerreu to. The registrar general i did not use that term. Or. Hart believed the term was not a very palatable one to use in that Council but the fact was the present government had an inclination to indulge in reckless expenditure and the probability was that at some future Day that Council would have to devise Means to repair the effects of that extravagance. He would be Happy to see the governor consenting to pay that claim out of the Money intended to be appropriated to the Golowa railway but under any circumstances he would vote for the motion. The collector of customs said there was no Reck less expenditure in the matter it was necessary to have Ali Inrid r t.hi�. Work a is done Ami if Thuv were not insolvent they certainly stopped payment laughter but now they were in a position to pay he hoped the claim which was a just one would be satisfied. Hear hear the colonial Secretary remarked that it was the duty of the officers of government to Point out every circumstance to the House that might affect a question under discussion it was that feeling no doubt which impelled the registrar general to inform the Counce of what had been said Anil done on the subject As he the colonial Secretary would have Felt it his duty to have done had he not Een anticipated by the Hon. The registrar general. The Public derived the Benefit of or. Jacob s services and he was quite satisfied that could the Home government have seen any difference Between that and other claims it would a ave been paid Long ago. If it was the feeling of the House that the claim should be paid he was quite Content and he would say much gratified with the honourable sentiments expressed by so Many members. He did not agree with the Hon. Member for Iarossa in fact he thought they should be thankful to the Home government. No no we if the claim were to be paid he thought it should be from the general Revenue and then Hon. Members would have the credit Ofuji avg paid it and he thought he might say the governor would be willing to place a sum on the estimates to meet the claim. Air. Neales supported the motion amidst cries of 11 Divide Divide in Hall said the committee appointed to investigate or. Jacob s claim had not looked to the circumstances of the Colony but Only to the justness of the claim nor had they considered it proper to state any opinion whether the amount should be paid out of the land fund or not. The advocate general would have Given a silent j vote on this occasion but that he should thereby appear to be sanctioning the imputations which had been thrown on j the motives of those members who had opposed the motion but he could not sit silent when he heard the conduct of members of that House characterized As that befitting Black legs and swindlers lie agreed with the present vote but he could sympathize with Fiose who honestly differed from him. At the same time he the advocate general could see the necessity of preserving a degree of Unity Between the present government and that which had preceded it. Not Only on the ground of Justice but also of expediency it would not answer to repudiate the acts of those who for Merly represented the government Aud he agreed with the Hon. Member for Victoria that such a course would create a distrust which would act injuriously on our future opera Titus. The Only question into which the committee appeared to have gone was the Legal claim that or. Jacob had Ajr inst the colons and. So far As it was in the Power of that Council to do Justice it should be rendered. Therefore though he should vote on the same Side As the Hon. Or. Gwynne he protested against being supposed to coincide in the language used by that gentleman. The motion was carried without a division. The House then resumed. Motions. Or. Hart moved that a tetum be Laid on the table showing the number of clerks and other persons in tha government offices tie length of service of each the amount of salary received and the alteration if any that has taken Pincu in the salary received by each Aud the dates of such alteration Captain Hall seconded the motion which was carried the advocate general remarking that the mover had not asked any one officer of the government to Lay the return on the table. The reels tray general moved for leave to report the opinion of the select committee appointed 3rd september 1851, to consider and report upon such proposals for Public works jus May be referred to them by the Council Cas to certain amendments in the form of notices appearing in the government Gaz to of Taj 4th september last inviting plans specifications and estimates for the erection of a Bridge Over the Kiver Torrens to connect North and South Adelaide and for providing suitable accommodation for the legislative Council the motion being assented to the clerk read the Fol lowing extract of the proceedings of the committee appointed september 3rd, 1851 wednesday 1st october 1851. U the committee met. Present the registrar general in the chair or. Kingston and or. Grainger. The notice in the Gazette dated september 3rd, 1831, relative to a Call for plans specifications and estimates for Council chamber and Bridge Over the Torrens was taken into consideration. It appeared to the committee Liat additional information is required to carry out the views of the Council on the subject above stated and it was the i resolved that the notices in the Gazette should then be amended in the following terms Viz. Bridge Over the Torres. Plans specifications Aud estimates Are hereby invited for the erect Iii of a Bride Over the Torrens to connect North and South the site for the Bridge is left to the designer who is expected to explain the Peculiar advantages of the site recommended by him. The Clear Width of the Road to be not less than so feet. The estimate is to include the Cost of the approaches. The plans and specifications offered fur Competition will be submitted to a committee of the legislative Council to select therefrom that which May be most approved of and the construction of the approved Bridge is to be effected by contract the Penon whose design is selected having the supervision of the works for which he will be compensated by a commission on the amount of contracts. 4 the work is to be liable to the inspection and supervision of the officer appointed for that purpose by Ilia excellency the Lieut wet governor. ? the plans Are to be drawn on a scale of eight feet to the Inch and Are to be submitted to the clerk of Council on or before the 1st Day of november next without signature but to be distinguished by a Mark or motto to be referred to in a sealed and signed letter addressed to that officer which will accompany the plans and remain unopened until the award is made. A Premium of �50 is recommended to be paid for the design pert in Merit to that approved by the Council the plans specifications and estimates remaining in both the above cases the property of the government. House of Assembly. Plans specifications and estimates Are hereby invited for a new House of Assembly. ? the building is to afford for 50 persons the following accommodation Viz a Council chamber and lobby speakers room with private Entrance two committee rooms room for deputations to individual members three rooms for clerk of Council and assistants record room Library dressing room sergeant at arms a room and office keepers apartments. ? the site for the building is the South West Angle of Victoria Square opposite the supreme court where the government printing office now stands. The plans Are to be drawn to a scale of 8 feet to the Inch and to be tinted in sepia or Indian Ink Only the specification is to describe the materials of which the several portions of the building Are to be executed together with a general description of the internal fittings and furnishings. The estimate is to embrace the entire completion of the building except fencing and the fittings of the Council chamber. The designs offered for Competition will be submitted to a com Mittee of the legislative Council to select therefrom that which May be most approved of and the construction of the approved building is to be effected by contract the person whose plans Are approved of having the direction of the works for which he will receive the usual commission of 5 per cent on the amount of contract. The work is to be liable to the inspection and supervision of the officer appointed for that purpose by his excellency the lieutenant governor. The plans to be transmitted to the clerk of Council on or before the 1st Day of november next without signature but to be distinguished by a Mark or motto to be referred to in a sealed and signed letter addressed to that officer which will accompany the plans and remain unopened till the award is made. S a Premium of �50 is recommended to be paid for the design next in Merit to that approved by the Council the plans specifications and estimates remaining in both cases the property of the government. By order of the committee. B. T. Finniss chairman. -1st october 1s51. Or. Elder stated that he would postpone his motion for the appointment of the railway undertakers until this a. The House adjourned at 5 o clock till next Day at 1 o clock. Law and police courts. Local court Adelaide full jurisdiction civil. Thursday. 2nd october. I before h. R. Wigley esq., stipendiary magistrate h Mildred and t. Gilbert Esq re sad Grove v. Mills. Action for �7 16s. 6d. For goods delivered. Defendant denied the delivery of the goods. Verdict for plaintiff �6 is. 6d. With costs. Latter v. Wetue Chiofer. Action for �10 is. 9d., for goods delivered. A set off of �5 8s. 4d. Admitted. Judgment for the balance �4 13s. 1 0d. With costs. Ser Otowski. Harrison. Action for �5 16s. 6d., painting account. Plea not indebted. Verdict for plaintiff �5 is. With costs. Fuller v. Birrell. Action for �20, loss sustained by breach of agreement in not taking Possession of certain premises. Defendant denied the agreement. Verdict for the defendant. Bean v. Blackler. Action for �13 2s. 3d., on a Bill of Exchange. Judgment for plaintiff �3 5s. 3d. With costs. Farkell v. Grikfin. Action for �10. Value of a Silver watch left to to repaired. Defendant would not admit that the watch had been left but was willing that the matter should be adjudicated on. Judgment was Given for the plaintiff �6 with costs. Douglas v. Wigley. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment in an action for �21 upon a Bill of Exchange. Ordered to stand Over for a fortnight. Trow Bridge v. Pretty. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment for the sum of �10 2s. The court ordered the defendant to pay �1 per month. Blythii and another v. 11 baud. Oulu urus upon an unset Isuzu Juu Gemeni to recover to s. 3d. For gods bought. Ordered to pay the whole sum in a fortnight. Heathcote v. Komi ton. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment to recover �20. The defendant not appearing this court ordered that to hould go to gaol for 14 Days. White v. Emmett. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment for �19 15s. The defendant was ordered to pay 10s. Per week. Jones v. Wiley. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment for �26 12s. 9d., Oard and lodging account ordered to pay 10s. Per week. Nelson v. Munda. Summons upon an unsatisfied judgment. Ordered to pay �1 per month. Criminal jurisdiction. Richard Murphy of Unley Shoemaker appeared to Tho information of James Parker of Franklin Street shoe Naker Tveith having committed an assault upon him on Tho Park lands on the 22 and september. The defendant pleaded not guilty. It appeared from the evidence of the prosecutor that he had been residing for some time at the defendant s House and that having occasion to go into the country he re Quested the defendant to take charge of any letters that might arrive for him. On his return from the country the defendant admitted that to had received a letter addressed to the prosecutor but refused to deliver it Over on account of its being addressed to the defendant s care. It appeared that the prosecutor Aud defendant were returning Home to Gether from town on the 22nd september and the subject of the letter having been a second time brought up the defendant struck the prosecutor a blow on the face with his fist and also threatened to strike him with a stick. The defendant was ordered to pay �1 1 s. Maria Dun by alias Maria Connor of Pirie Street appeared to the information of Mary Tilly of Currie Street with assaulting her in Hindley Street on the evening of Tho 27 the september. The evidence went to prove that the prosecutor went on the evening in question about 10 ., into Schmidt s hotel in Hindley Street when the defendant without any provocation rushed at her scratched her face and completely broke her Bonnet into pieces. The defendant pleaded that the prosecutor had been living at her House without paying for her Board and lodging. Ordered to pay �2, with costs or in default to go to prison until paid. Police court Adelaide. Thursday 2nd october. James o h Illy and William Henry bad Dame were respectively fined of. Each for being drunk on the previous Day. . Fla Milf a waa Riar Elfid with steal inc one German Silver Fork from the premises of John Baker of Hindley Street jeweller on the 1st instant. The prisoner pleaded not guilty. John Baker stated that the prisoner came into his shop and produced some Metal studs for Sale which he endeavoured to pass for Gold. He prosecutor refused to buy them and seeing the prisoner with a Fork in his hand and about to leave the shop he looked into Hia window and discovered that a Fork had been extracted. He immediately followed the prisoner and gave him in charge. Committed for trial at the local court. William Rapson appeared to tha information of the in Spector of nuisances charged with driving his hordes with out reins. Fined 10s. John Tillier of North Adelaide storekeeper was charged by the same functionary with allowing a pig to run astray at North Adelaide. Fined 10?. Henry Shug of Eliza Street appeared to the information of the said inspector s charge of allowing a ferocious dog to be at Large. The charge having been proved by or. Gale the defendant was fined �2, or in default to be imprisoned for fourteen Days. Percival Wood Smith of Currie Street storekeeper was Chart i i with in scr mfr and the accept acc of Tom Cox Bray with intent to defraud messes. Bams Nanu Wick Steed on the 25th september. Or. Matthew Smith appeared for the prisoner. Frederick Wicksteed stated that on Friday last the Pri Soner came to his office and asked him to Advance the sum of �200, stating at the same time that he would place the whole of the grocery Stock of the firm of Smith and Bishop at his disposal for Sale also that he would put into he hands a receipt for �148 Worth of goods in the Possession of messes. Stanford and ii Urley Aud would also give him instructions to sell the remainder of the Stock in a Short time. He witness told him that he did not like to Advance him �200 unless he was placed in Possession of the goods but would be Content with Stanford and Burley s receipt that they held the goods at his witness s disposal. He Pri Soner promised to produce the receipt and also place in his hands or. Bray s acceptance for �100 As a collateral Security that he would place the remainder of the goods at his disposal. Upon these conditions he witness accepted a Bill drawn by Smith and Bishop upon Samson and Wicksteed at three months for �200 receiving the acceptance Pur porting to be or. Brays As also the receipt from messes. Stanford and Burley. John Legg Strudwick clerk to messes. Samson and Wicksteed stated that he gave the prisoner an acceptance for �200, signed by the firm of Samson and Wicksteed on Friday last and received messes. Stanford and Burley s receipt for �148 Worth of goods and also a Bill of or. Bray s for �100. Yesterday 1st october or. Fenn called and asked if we held a Bill of �100 belonging to or. Bray. At the same time or. Bray entered and the Bill for �100 which we had received from the prisoner having been shown to him he pronounced it to be a forgery. Tom Cox Bray stated that no part of the Bill produced was in his handwriting and also that the prisoner had never received instructions to sign his name. Inspector Stuart said that on wednesday night about 11 He with inspector Alford boarded the Brig off Pelican Point and found the prisoner in the Cabin charged him with forgery which the prisoner did not deny. Searched the prisoner and found �73 10s. In Gold and also a Check for �11 drawn by Smith and Bishop in favour of or. Carruthers. Or. Matthew Smith stated that the prisoner was very de Sirous that the Public should know that Bis partner or. John Bishop was not implicated in the Case. His Worre hip remanded the prisoner until next monday

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