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Tri Weekly Argus (Newspaper) - January 20, 1848, Madison, Wisconsin THI-WEEKLY AHGUS. TENiNEY, SMini HOLT. "BE JUST, AUT> FEAH MOT." THURSDAY, IAN. 20> 1848. CONVENTION PAPER, NO J6? Constituliona) Convention. HErORTED F01- THE ARGUS. TUESDAY, January 18. 1818. Prayer by the. Mr- Read. The journal of yesterday was read. The following petitions were presen- ted on lhe subject of homestead exemp- tions, lo wit By ilr. Chase inhabitants of Fond du Lac By Messrs. Davenport, Sanders, Se- und Jackson from inhabitants ol Racine county. Which were referred to the commit- tee of the whole. Mr. Pr. miss presented a remon- strance from SHIM ry inhabitants ol Dodge county on thi' same subject. Which was i eft rred to the same tommiuee. Mr. Sunders piesented a petition from sundiy it.habitants of Racine coun- 4y on the subject of school lands. Which was referred to the committee education and scl ool Mr- Case, from tie select committee lo whom bad been referred the subject of the contested election, made a report. (See jfVi ll'vifsiy of the Mr. Chase moved that the same be laid upon the table rnd ordered printed. Which was agree I to. Mr. Reed from tlu sdecl committee on that subject reported the following resolutions, which read, io wit: "Resolved, That he Congress of the United S be ml'hereby is reques- ted, up m the admission of this state into lhe Union so to alter the provisions the act of entitled "An act to giMnt a certain qi antiiy of'and to aid in the improvement of the Fox and Wisconsin rneis. nid to connect the a canil, ii the Territory of t iat price of the lands reserved to the Slates, shall be reduced to the min mum price the public lands. Hesolved, That the legislature of this state shall muk provisions by law, for the sale o! the 1; iu's granted to ihe state in aid ot said improvements, ject to the same lights of pre-emption to the settlers, and are now allowed by law to settieis on thv public j Mr. Chaso fiom the commit ice on Banks, Banking and Incorporations, re- ported .No. 19 Article or Incorporations; Which a-, read ihe fir-t and second times, ordered rmted. Mr. Kiiboiirn from the committee on j General Provisions, reported No. 20 Artu it OP Amendments; WHS iead the first and secoi d timfs, and ordered rin'ed. The Picsideiu an louncedthe appoint- ment of the named poisons on the comrniuce on Revision and Ar- ransjcMTiL'nt. to wi1 Dunn, King, Larrabee, Whi- ton and Lovell. Rfsolutii ns ere introduced and re'ad as to wit: By Mr Lakin "Resolved, That on Tuesday eve- ning, January 251h, A. D. 1848, ibis convention ndjo'iin die." By Mr. C.irter: "Resolved. That this convention il- low Horatio Tuttie two dollars and fitly cents [ier day, as c impensation for his dining the setting of the con- vention." Foote That '.he committee on Miscellaneous PHA isions be instructed to report a provisiur by which the gov- ernor may hv proclainat.on, in case of emergencies, conv were Messrs. Be.tll, Bishop, Biggs, Brow- nell, Carter, Chase, A- G. Colt, Cotion, Davenport, Dunn, EstabrooL Fagan, Featherstonhaugh, Fenton, Fitzgerald, Foils, Foole, Fowler. Gale. GifTord, Harrington, Harvey, Hollen faeck, Jackson, Judd, Kilbourn, King, Ktnne, L'irkin, Larrabee, Latham, Lewis, Lyman, McClel an, AfcDowelt, Alulford, O'Connor, Pentony. Prentist, Karnsey, Koot, Seagel, Scl'Ojffl jr, Secoi Turner. Vanderpool, Warden, Wheele and Those who voted in the negative, were Messrs- Castleman, O. Cole, Doran, Fox, Kennedy, Lakin, Lovell, Nichols, Mr. President, Reed, Richard son, Rountree. i5 Mr. LOVELL moved that the ar cle on apportionment be taken up; whic i was agreed to, and the question be on ordering the same to be engrossed for a third leading, Mr. CflASE moved thai it here-com- mitted to the commitlee of lhe whole, which was agreed to. The convention then resolved itself into committee of the whole for the fur- ther consideiation of the article an ap- portionment, Mr. WHEELER in the chair. Mr- CASE moved so to amend, as t) give to the county of Waukesh.i tw i senators in place of one, and fuiir mem- of the house, instead of five. Mi. C. remarked that by lhe article as repot- led by the comtni tee, had a i unreprt-senud fraction of about i.OOC To remedy this ineqitality.hc proposed reduce the representation one in thi house, and increase it one in ihe sennit which would add one to the total cf units of representation for that count} If that motion did not prevail, he shout I feel con-trained to move thai one beac- to the representation then appo Honed to that county in the house. Mr. LOVELL remarked ihat by' adopting this amendment, it would b< come necessary to run through, il-e whole article and change the represet tation of t-very county in the Teirtlor; The amendment involved -the necessity of an firirely ru-w apportionment. M L went into a series of calculations to s low the difficulty of making the p iscd amendment without nn-eitttng tt e eri'ire apportionment. The coun y w; s under represented in the senate and ovi r represented m the house. The com- mittee which ivporteu the article we e "oveined, in some men ure, in piicn g the over rcprtsetila'ion in tl.f house i- of senate, by the u.iiVul y c'ividmu Iho senatorial districts FO i not n lines fore uith the ivjtuse nan e 'di trici-. winch luul alre.K y p.t-st d. p-ovided tlnr no p.es-t n nil e di-tri' i should be duit'eJ in ihe Umn i- jiion of a scnutonal disttici. and in tl e !rase of would be veiy dif I- cuh to make an equitable division of the county inio txvo senatorial disiricts with- out dividing some of the represeniative districts. Mr. CASTLEMAN would state some reasons why the amendment of his col- league should prevail. He had no doubi but the committee with whom the article originated, had very aiduous du- ties impost-d upon them, arid it would not be strange if they had overlooked some circumstances which ought to weigh in favor of lhe proposition. He had conversed with manv members on the subject, and so far as he had done they generally agreed that Wauke- was entitled io wliat she now asked for. But to those with whom he had riot conversed privately, he wished to stale facts in lhe case. Waukeshii county had nearly would call u that in round numbers. The ratio of tation in ihe Senate was about with one st-nator, they would have a fraction unrepresented in the Senate of about With five members of the House, they would be over represented in Uiat body aboul 600. Deduct ihis from the and it would leave unrepresented in either Nearly enough to entitle them to two members of lhe Houae. Nearly all lhe counties which had fractions unrepresented in the Senate, were com- pensated by iiddnional members ot the House. Th's, he thought, was produ- j an undue preponderance in one branch of the legislature. The amend- ment did riot propose io a senalor from any other county, but only to add one member to the Senate. If ibis were ilone, the counly would ihen be over represented about 1500. The question was simply whether the county should be over represented 1500 or unrepre- sented The north-western counties preferred to have tiieir unrepresented fractions in both Houses, compensated dy represen- tation in the luwvr House, because those counties' being sparselv settled rendered' it necessary ih.tt each representative shou.d atlfiid to lhe interests oj a large area of country, and il was therefore an oiijecl will) them to have their rep- resentcitiun consist of the greatest num- ber practicable, and under llu- circum- stances, he was not disposed to object to ihe policy but in the more compact and settled countks, as in the case of Waukesha, there could bt.- no objections to making up iu the Senate the fractions d in the House. Mr. JUDD spoke. Mr. KING remarked that the ques- tion before ihe convention was one of figures and of :ourse a dry one; but if genileihi'ii Would listen otif moment, he would endeavor to place the question 111 its true light. It was impossible with the contemplated size of ine two houses, to apportion to Wauktsha iwo sennlors and five representatives. The alternalivf was between giving to tt au- keshu one senator and live repiesenia- lives, or two senators and four repre- sentatives. Air. K. then proceeded to show by figures the difieient resul s arid beatings of the two alternatives. Mr. CHASE believed ihe udoptionof lhe amendment would only open the i door for Furthi r alterations. The pop-j u.alion of Washington county was unfy about 300 belou that of VV It' this alteration were made lo accom- modate Waukesha, the same alteration would have io be made to accomodate Washington county. This would so tar rt-duce the senatorial laiio, lhat Wal- would have as strong a chum for another senator as Wauke.-ha had then, and so in. Every member added lo the senate would reduce lhe tauo of repre- sentation, and originate a new claim in some quarter fur an additional senator. nin-t s'op sontexx bete, and ,--lOji win-re inujht, some coun'y would be lelt the largest uoivpivseiiit-d i-raction. The hanl.-liip must t.illsome- luhert-. By the appui tionmenl made by the H liad en upon ,iu- ke.-h.i, iitid lie thought they stiou.d con- tent to bear it. The county would be well represented in numbers, and be had i.odoubi it would be ably represent- ed, and suffer no serious inconvenience from the loss of her unrepresented frac- tion. Mi. KILBOURN thought the ccn- vention shou.d not be deterred from do- jing jusiiVe by any such considerations as had been aryued by the gentleman from Fond du Lac. If apportionment was unjust, they should go to Work and by proper amendments obviate the in- justue, as far as it could be done. He found that by setting off the Ter- riton into two grand divisions, one of them containing a population of 000 have but ninesenators, while the oi her. with a population of only 000 have ten senators. He could not see by what rule gentlemen could reconcile such an apportionment with the p mcipte of justice. After appor- lionii g the represeulation as nearly equal as possible among the smaller di- visior s of the State, he thought should endeavor to equalize the repre- senta ion still further by taking larger divisions of country and consolidating their fractions. If the two great divi- sions of the State to which he had allu- ded were tu be equally represented in the fcfiiale, he could not complain; but he could not consent that a population of should have a majority in the senate over a population of The latger division of the country had an o't-r representation cf six in the House. Tins would yive them a ma- joriiy of the aggregate over-representa- tion, und he would not con plain if the rights of ihe people were not comprom- ised 1.1 the senate. The proposition of the gentleman from VVaukesha, (Mr. would not equalize the represen- tation in the senate of the two great di- visions to which he had alluded, for this would require the addition of two or three members; but it would make ii so t early equal m the senate lhat countering the over representation in the Hnjse, he would be satisfied. Mr. CASTLEMAN here gave some aretbrnetical calculations in reply to the remarks of Mr. JUDD and Mr, CHASE. Mr CHASE said the gentlemen from Milwaukee and Waukesha had both misunderstood his remarks. He did nol mean that any needless injustice was done io Waukesha, but thai if Wauke- sha taken from lhe extreme wing opposite position, some other county ii be left in the same position which, Waukestia before occupied. The dif- ficulty was inseparable from a definite ratio of representation and the varying population of ihe country. They might remove by amendment, the hardship from one county but it would then rest upon some other. Kemote it from that and u would rest upon some other, and so thev might follow up the inequality with imendments interminably without lhe possibility of destroying it. Mr. GrIFFORD hadeoriver ed with the committee on the subject the ar- ucle was repotled, and endeavored to secure lhe apporiiunnn-nt of two sena- tors, nd four representatives to Wau- kesha, but finding the majority of tbe committee inflexible upon thai point, he favored the present arrangement. Still he preferred two senators and four rep- atives, and as lhe proposition had been offered by his colleague, he should vole tor H. Mr WH1TON here addressed the coinu ittee. Mr KILBOURN by arithmetical c.i leu Iat Mr. LOVELL defend, d the report of lhe cornmiitee by a series, of calculation 3. The quesiion was ihen taken on the amendment, anil dec.ded in the nepa- 'ive '20 in the affirmative and 26in the "ifr! FEATHERSTONHAUGH moved so to amend as to give to Cutume.! and liani'ouwoc one- Mi. F. remarked lhat the report of the committee pin these two counties geihcr, iiffii gave them one rrprespnta- and he asked i h it they might ba and e.ich have a representa- Continutd on fourth page.
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