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   Star And Evening Advertiser (Newspaper) - February 10, 1789, London, Middlesex                                T H E S T A HOUSE OF CHANCELLOR came down to the i1 bout half after when prayers being petitions were and moti uade lor rehearing of caufes in Appeals frcm Couit of SeiTions in all of were cafhier of the appear ril at the bar with the account of the expenditure cf I FRANKFORT alfo gave in an account of the fums appropriated towards liquidating the National GS LcrJ DOIER preferred a petition from WAR REN HASTINGS which his hip mov ed to have The petition contained an enumeration of the hardfhips he fuftered by the length the Trial al ready and svas ftill likely to as the Honourable Houfe of Commons had exhibited twenty charges againll him 5 and although twelve months had elapfed fince the but two of thofe charges had been gone through it that in that time feven of thufe who were his judges had paid the debt of nature that it already coft him near thirty thoufand and therefore he was apprehcnfive left his pro perty fhould be exhaufted before he had eftablifh ed his and he left deftitute even of for anvng other he prayed their Lordfhips would proceed without any further if pclliblc end it without any further LarJ ThLRLOIf regretted tlut more notice had not been as it would be verv improper in his opinion to come to any upon it in fo thin a He believed there net of their from the peculiarity of the prefent Cuuiu have an idea it would be poflible to prcceed according to the laft which flood for tomorrow that be ing the this petition might be taken fairly confideration prevjris to the day appointed to proceed he would therefore prnpofe that the petition be ordered to lie on the and the order for tomorrcw be The etiquette of the making it neccifary that fome day fliodd be hi mentioned Monday at the time defuing it to be i hv intended that fhould be the d iv en the trial fhnuKl His Lordfhips idea being the fmc determined antiio iLjufe to HOUSE OF i n it f t pj i 1 end i C ni As the a rcivilnr wr a minute v pufs the wliMc into nrr the ilriking iixity A new uTit was to bt ifTarJ for tlir of a member to lerw in Parliament for the of Ayelhury ii the room of Tho Pitt took the Tnu for the of vacant by death of the latt Sir A was received th CfmmifTicn ers fcr liquidating the the p i expenditure ot tVj to fur that purpcfe durirg ROLL TV Roi L then begged the Houfe would pjff r previous to the order of the day be to IpeaU a words in liis Hi then deliberately took from his the and that of the parliamentary which fit the obfervatiom of dirFerent on liis hid that where rhe end motive mull be ot uch a could n t be a men cf wouui nvow fc i thi vas a of th been heard iii lloufe for ii iVii and fjcli iijfn he have Led them he tirll He declared that he had complcatly to reveal the motive of claufes of he prefent did not provide all and his amendment to that He wantri noiig that anach itfelf to particular ci i on Ue a provuion of the moil general Tie for his the liyncll refpcft for the Piiucc of and pro Kfud t todiibelieve the which had brin and that his primary motive to du tlie douhts which been cn He then addreiTmir himfelf to the oppofuicn and fccm bu iKofe Infinuatibns wirff w fis tto and which he muft otherwiie ancandid as they were Gat Y rofe in the and was proceed ing to reply when The interrupted this He Ihould he have heard the honour able gentleman Rolle to his conclufion but from his having held a printed paper in his and from his animadverting to the famej he imagined that his fpeech was to conclude with a formal He now arofe to remind the Houfe of the point of It was extremely he for gentlemen to revert in any proceeding to any thing which had oc curred in a former debate it was ftill more dif orderly to call on gentlemen to not for anything which had fallen from them but for the ftatement of their as they might afterwards in a public He that in this the prefent converfation micht ROLLL that under the prefent cir cumftances he relied on the candour of the Houfe to admit his Alderman NEWNHAM urged the right of Grey to reply and that if one gentleman was thus admitted to the perfon to whom he had alluded had certainly a right to a fimiar ROLLE and attempted two or three times to but was as often overruled by th Speak The conteft was finally fet afuie by the Chan cellor of the Exchequer moving the order of the BROOKE WATSON having taken the put the queftion on that claufe which that the Regent hall not have to grant or alie nate any part of the perfonal ellate of Ma This claufe wai unanimoufly agreed PERSONAL PROPERTY OF THE ANSTRUTHR rofe and that though great and n pains had been ta ken to prevent the Regent from alienating any part of his Majeftys perfonal ftill it was left unprotected by the claufe in refpeft to He thought this procedure ftrange as and called upon Pitt to account for fuch rc PITT that the Houfe had no knowledge of that perfonal neither had It he nothingmore than random If the King was in pof feilion of any he muft of courfe fuppofe it was in th of and if he could not forefee any Heps were necedary to be ANST R UTHE R was of opinion that the Truftecs fhould be and that the fame ten der confide rations which induced the Honourable Gentleman to the frruld alto induce hn to guard againll the Truftces cf his i He thought it ought to be dcpofitcd in the and would take an opportunity of moving a chufe to that After next claufe had been which the Lord High or the of tlie from time direct to mich monies of the Civil lccn proceeded to ftate his ohjediouo to his ufual force of but by the announce r T r r t to of a frcni the s PITT having moved tint the Committee hruid the Houte was I hr medage from the Lonls was uhieii their Lordihips would pro ed en the trial of Warren on The Houfe having again refolved itfelf into a BUKKE and he had heard a petition been prcfented from Warren that he had been at thirty thoufand pounds in of the trial tuted agaiait and praying that their Lord ihips may hailen their proceedings Burke laid nothing could afford mere confolation to his confcicnce than to procceM on that trial but the importance of the prefent buiinefs which arreftcd the attention of was too great to give way to any private or individual Here a converlation took place on the claufe between Mr the Attorney Lord and A the debate for the moft part took a retrofpect of the bill introduced bv for the economical purpofes of enabling hiMajelty to difcharge tiie debt contracled upon hi for preventing the fame from in by the curtailment of certain of for the purpofe of hewing that the of tie refolution founded on it uerere to the principles of the we think it to report the I inl tubmittcd it to th confideration of the to beware how it paflcd this claufe ilrong reafons were advanced to prove its but even if this was not the were fubfequcnt claufes in the bill extremely which ftiould be rirll difpofed bc ILvale could with propriety difpofe of irh was the fuVjeft of The words houiehoid and had been confounded rnd 11 planed in one they meant one in another they hid a quite diiFerent figni but by being familiarized as being the it might lead the Houfe to adopt wlii eh on reflection they would be concerned to have adopted Powvi perfuaded of the juftice of the Noble Lords and therefore fllould be On Powys having made his the ftrangers were ordered to withdraw Ayes Noes fe8 Majority PRIVY The claufe was then empowering the keeper of the privy purfe to receive the amount of difcharge fuch penfions as have been iffued by the authority of his and alfo luch chanties as the Queen might judge that his Majefty would have iffued and directing thnt the remainder mould be inverted in the public in trull for his Majefty in tlie cafe of his Sir WILL JAM CUNNYNCH AME bore teftimo ny to the charity of the Prince in giving 200 to the poor of Edinburgh during the late inclement DUNDAS did not mean to detract from the Princes merit in fo but it was no more than hi5 father and grandfather had done before they having annually fent to that BURKEremarked on the gradual increafe of the Privy from in the late Kings to in the a fum which was independent of every other poflible expence the King could beat of this the Queen was to have for gucilmg what charities the King would wifh to beftow but the who might be fuppofed to know as well as any was not to be allowed one milling and yet he would venture to that without any ill compliment to her the charitable dif pofaion of the Prince Hood as high as that of any other perfon whatever witncfs the care he had taken of a very refpeftable who was fuppcfed to be very nearly related to his uncle by half blood whom he had relieved from almoil indigence and by a munificent and welltimed belides a hundred inftances which it would be tedious to How unjuft was it then to compare his bounty with that of the Kings We that the wi dows two mites were more acceptable in the fight of than all the wealthy offerings of the whole world to the How much more laudable do his two hundreds when it is known that the whole of his by which he is to fupport not only the dignity of Prince of but the dignity and fplendor of the Britilh as is only ten thoufand pounds more than the Kings meer pocket DUNDAS wiflied to did any Gen tleman object to continuing the for thofe Penfioners who were upon the Kings eftablifhed hilr or would they prevent the Queen from fup r i plying thofe cafual charities uhich he might pce her Royal Spoufe would have difpenfed Sir WILLIAM that it was proper thofe two urns mould be ib dtfpofed did it that the remainder of fhould lie idle He therefore that the faid remainder be paid into the hands of inftcad of the Truftecs aspro poied in the Some converfation arofe on this fubjecl be tween Dunda Alder man Sir James and A divifion then took place upon Sir Williim Molefworths The num bers Ayes I0i Noes j 6 Majority againd the amendment 55 Some obfervations were alfo made on the latter part of the claufe refpefting the revenues of the County Palatine of which by this were to be vefted and difpofed of in the fame manner as the amount of the Privy BURKE that this was another robbery committed on the Civil I a which was worthy to ride en croup with the one preceding as the had been forced on its its dappled companion might be permitted quietly to follow The after a few chiefly from Sor ICITOR was ordered to Itand part of the THE CONTROUL OF THE The claufes were then veiling in Her VI a jelly the direction and controul of the houfe and that her appointment or re lhall be equivalent to any heretofore made by the King ui On thefe a converfation took more dif tinguifhedby the warmth uith which it was car ried than by any novelty which it Sir PETER and SLOPER exprefled their fatiifadion at the amount of the patronage which was and at the fame the vague arui undefined manner in which the framcrs had thought proper to word the claufe before the Pnx that the officers of the Houfe to whom the claufe might be known from confulting the papers on the by the exprefTion the duration of the bill was alluded the reply at any time when circumftances might ic waV certainly open to Lord in a moft excellent and which on an exhaufted fubjed nothing but the latenefs of the hour could prevent us from report ing in entered fully and forcibly on the impropriety of dividing from the the ccntroul of the thereby depriv ing the former of its natural and fup fpoke in fupport of the chafe NORTON and WILBRAHAM in KEENE argued very that fome of the powers of the and particu werefjot poffibly fcparaore from the flare Mj authority which were to be veftcd in the Regent 7 PITT denied that the Parliamentary in nuence was at all in contemplation with thofe who had founded the offces of the HnufJioU But whatever was attached to thefe ofics the he would belong to the TOW appointments to be made for the wate of the Lord NORTH denied the necefiltv cf any fucH new The officers of ftae in m his bl appointed to attend on the asthe dWV oi the and of courfe of the Kin wa only to be maintained by fuftainmg the dignity of his MARSH AM that he could not but feel a furpnfc at ihe conduft of the whd fecmed by his conduft to that whatever powers he retained to were exempt from the fufpicion of but that whatever granted to the of WAXES might poffiblv be abufed He cxpreffed his wonder at the tience of the in contemplating the prefent ciaufe t was known that the number Peers holding places m the with thofe under perfonal obligations to the Right Hon Gentleman amounted to near fixty He won dered equally at the patience of the who had feen for five the expiration of a vihOUC of a fmgls and which was warmly applaudedthat all the officers urder the rank of ofthe Cham her mclufivelv fhould be continued in their at tendance on his but that all the Officers of State fhould transfer their attendance for the the rank of che Regent SHERIDAN joined in this Hehad neard he too much of a republican tone in what had en from fome that they were now about to make a not c I hs raonarchial power had fuffered much undents prefent That pageantry had been which on the popular had a greater than power He was there fore the more forry to in the prefent the trappings torn from the to be phed as hangings to the bed of difeafe When Gentlemen on the other fide fpoke of the feelings of the Sovereign on his they m thofe very feelingsfrom fuch an infult as the prefent he muft doubly as a father and as a monarch MON TACUE fpoke in favour of the claufe but without any farther argument thantkatofa perlonal confidence of hr Lord Fi E L D i KG fpoke againft the Sir ILL i AM that in his opi nion the attendance of thefe ftate officers fhould be with the difmiflal out of his power but the appointment to reft with him in caie of a entered the general queftion The he ha beS irmtten from auove It was only the hand of I rovidence which had hurled him from his Throne and plunged into a fituation which the loweft peafant inhis dominions mult regard With The Marquis of GRAHAM called to order and that this was language not to be BLRKE that if parts of a text of icnpture were and the whole not taken even holy writ might be made to fpeak He did not mean that the King was fo dethroned that his right to the crown was extinft but he meant that he by the Hand of Hea rendered incapable of difcharging thofe du ties which belong to the It ill became thofe m the public humbled them felves before the to procure the reco very of the Kings to hold a language in the fenate fo little fuited to a ftate of hurnilia It was not who had ftript his Majefty of his dignity and the pomp and pageantry of courtly attendance would ill become a bed of To beftow them upon a Kine m the fituation of his would be to mock him and degrade inftead of fupportine his It would be like putting a crown of thorns upon his a theatric fceptre in his hand and him the Ihe Right Gentleman grounded his BiU upon this that it would be wrong to take from his Majefty any part of his But then he forgot that if it was given to the Queen it was taken from the King and then the only queftion could to whom ought it to be given to the mother or to the fon To the was not to reprefent his and was not to be refponfible for the ufe fhe might make of the power given to her or to the who was to be his and commiffioned in name to govern iis and watch over the happmefs of the and the profperity of the If the King could be confulted wnat he thought the bell way of fuoporting he vsould as he faid in his melTage to tne Houfe when in the early part of his he recommended to his Parliament the paffimj of a Regency Bill that which was pecu liarly his ftated in the for MAINTAINING THE S PL ENDOUR ANt LUSTRE OF THC CROWN In that Bill the was not feparated from the executive nor was any one prero gative of the Crown kifpended but the whole of the Roval power was vefted in the Regent and his Why was not a Council given to the Regent in this with the plenitude of the Royal power Becaufe the Princes of the Bood mull have been Members of it and they wotfld have given their whole weight to the to enable him to maintain the prerogatives of in which they were all fo inte In that Regency Bill there appeared the names of Stx PRINCES OP THE BLOOD and an the Regency Bill palled by George the Prince who llcod next in fucceffion after the   

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