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London Pues Occurrences (Newspaper) - November 24, 1847, London, Middlesex �oi. XLVI. PlJE's O CCURR RNCES. From TU �SX> "November the 34th, to SATURDAY November the 28th, 1747. ,.rroI of the Proceedings and Debatct of the l'ciiticaj Club continued.- ltn4 h �ur Ijfi. wui i\ fellfW!. K'f I wert ro have a greater Regard for Popularity than for m� Duty as * Member Ot this Ho-.iff, I (hov\d certiinly join thole who oppoic the Bill now before us> . bur while I have the Honour of a Seat m Aff.mbly, i ih*n always defpife courting* TititDt tltcem among the Vulgar, when I think incontinent with the general and lading intei-ofmy Country. I believe, it will not be delta t in al'ticft every Commodity we deal m, !,e ait underlolJ at Foreign Mai kets, by the French, , iuT,e other ot our Neighbouis upon the Con-�nJ i� 1 believe, be allowed, that the t'lr'rv confluence of this muft at la ft be, the R.inof oui Foreign Commerce, ifnot pre* i,y a fe<fonaM? Applicaion of fome el-frv/ R '-<!v: In =�II :hjs I find the Gentlemen \nh V'.ic; igreeJ, and, in order to find out ji* Rr-f(iv, both hive very properly endeavour-:o diuc-;r r;J point ouc rhe Ciule of our iikffi!f.', burin rlvs, I rind, thev roi� cod* dilate. The Gentlemen who are Favmii'rs ot the ; uv, the Ciule of our Du":r-r.v we tf>; mod penurioufly, bar and will Work to: 'he Jeaft Wages, or icll the leaJr Profit-. (jenrler.en may talk ot efta-|ili(hrng proper Regulations.^nd introducing good ,o(ioms, for coirtcting this Extravagance; but pity will rind it no ealy Matter to alter the Tem-ier of a whole People. We have many and Uriel iws tor letting nil idle Peep'e to Work, and for uniting the Wages ot StrVoi.cs in almolt all Sorts ttBulinels; but tne Fxecution of thole Laws has Iways been found in-practicable ; and, I believe, f we had ever endeavoured to have put them ricfly in Execution, we fhould have ruined infold of improving our Manufactures. Trade hates "onftraint ot every Kind, and will always fly [roma Country where they attempt to lay it in peters. There is no way of making People work, but by rendering it inapoffible for them to fabfift cichouc working; theie is no way of making Peo-),e �oik for (mall Wages, but by Multiplying the lumber of Workmen; there js no way oi' cot-jetting the Extravagance of a People, no more tj�n that of a private Mao, but by depriving tstmot the Means of being eirravaganr, and this l\Sl�,y t5bC*u,! by n"� one a great LNomber ot Rivals in their Bufinefs; for it will tnenbe impoflible tor them to get higher Wages or ft Prtht?i tban are txrrty lufneient for their 5rtlittence; Jtany one asks higher Wages tiwnhis Kinu, no one will employ him; if he asks higher 'one wrjii buy of him; and a Multitude in the fame way of Buftoefa, will always, by Dt-Itees, under-work and under fell one another, till their Wages or Profi tt be brought Jo low a* to afford but a bare Sublicence, according to the Rank whith (uch Men hold among Mankind ro fce-{nerai. Whether ourPeopk herein England live bet* iter; that is. more extravagantly, that the Peoptt cfe-jiKl Rank-do in atvy other Country; is* Fa�, Sir, that cannot admk ot any Prootj therefore I �vwy Gentleman mulVjadge according to what he r t�Wmftlr heard a"nd obierwd s but this is�rtam, ' thir It either is'fo, or is not fo. Le* tne tten firft itppofej that it Is l'& e a great Difcourageroent to Foreign Journeymen, bfcaul'e they can eind no Maftcr of their o* n C^anrrv herc-, to whom they may be tecomrnended and from whom, they may expecl Employment as loon as triey arrive; for'ev�n luppole, wehav;- fome For-e gn Mafters made Denitcns and Icttied aniongft us, they can give no great Encourage men r to Foreign Journeymen to come over, fxcaufe no fuch Denizen can have at a Time above two luch Journeymen. Befides, it is a great Dilt-ourag roeni to Foreign Journeymen to come to a Coun/ry where they can nev^r propofe to be Ma ft is, let their Skill and Succtfs be never lo great, without puling themfelves ro the Lxpen>.e of a Naturalization Bill, or of Letters of D^niracion. Remove thele Impedimcrns, Sir, and if the Peo* pie ot this Country live bttttt th�n ?eople of the fame Rank do in any other Country, the certain conltquence will be, tbat many Foreign Tradesmen, ooth M fters and Journeymen, will come to leuie in this Country. Thole who like good living will come over here, b:caulc they <v.n live better than they do in their own Country ; and thole who like to lay up Money will come over here, becaule they may live as wei! here as they did at home, and lave a good deal of Money Yearly. By this Means we fhall Multiply the Numoerot o-ir Workmen, u? fhafl Multiply the Rivals in all Sores ol Bufinff-, and this is the only effectual way we can td'vc for correcting the Extravagance of our own M*W J'radilmen and J ourneyecen, as well aj for uakjng the former lellat iefs Profit, and theiarter work atiefs VV?ges. befides this, Sir, it is an eld arid a true Proverb that Example goes farther than Piectpr. The la-v'ng penurious Foreia^ers that come to live here, wi)) gjve Juihan Example fo our own People, as Will make fome ot (hem at lead afhamed oi many of thoie Exravagancies they are now guilty ot, and Neceffity will oblige the reft to retrench. Notwkhftanding wthat t if been faitfbjr the Genr tlemen of the other Side, I. am ftill 6f Opinion, that in the Infm<-y of our Trade and Manufactures, the Example df Foreigners that came to (cttle aniong us, was of great Service in- promoting both tbelndiiftry and Frugality of the Peop^. Confiderina. how cheap Living was heie in thole Days, and confidciing that moil of tfie foreign V^ooilen ManuJatturers had their Wool rrom this Ifland, it is Irotn the Niture of Thiogf highly probable, that many tOreign Manuticluiers em-hraced the Invi atian given them by Edward flld Nay, fomany ot them, I bel-eve, carae upon that Mt ofPariiament to fettle in-EnglaBd, that at laft their increafinp Numbers began to be dreaded, and' therefore it was that in Richard Ufa's Reign, it was ena&ed, That no Aiko Arxificer (not made Denireo) fhould reoaurt-Of eaercile any Handicraft in England, unlets as Servant to a Subject skilful in the fame An j that no fiKh Alien fbould make any Cloth, or putt any Wool to work"; and that no luch Alien lhould fell by, Re� tail: And tor the fame Reafaa it was cnadted in 'he Reign of Henry Vlllth. That no Stronger Ar-tific;r, (Oenitert or not Denizen) fhuuld cakfl anv Apprentice but fuch aj'was born uod<t the King s Obeyfance; or keep above two journeymen not born under the King's Obei tance. From thefe' AQs; of Parlumens. *b(re/bre, as well as froaa the Nature of Thing3f wc have, 1 thinks Sir, good Gcctund to fuppote, ilia; many foreign" MafteT Tra<reia�ea.*od Joi�orjrHa^n. came to lettle inthii Kingdom, icMii after the. 5th of Edward ifid, when, che Aci I have mer)cion prob-�%le, that thefe Foreigners taugbt G�r Peoglc not on.y the Art of Matnafaotuxesr but alfo laduftry and Frugality } for co'nfidering, tne warlike. Spirit that had been propagated*/and had reigoed among our Peopk feom the T�oe the RonaiTgieit us-to that very Time, and, indeed for Iooqc Ge^ierations at* ter Edward* lild, wc-can hardly ijUWjpie, thqt our People, in genend were much irKimcdj either to Indulrry or Frug^jtyj but as to thriW^r&'^ti^ft happened in aVisTii-jCjOr afrir h"ijYtai%V between FratKe ami us, or the Civil Wars "tpa-| b*pi>eiieil afteirwards bctwetntlie Haufesoi Vorjt,*t>d Lm-' jSafter. thefe Foteigncrf could- have no!grea.t Con-* sero, and'eomcgnendy thefe Wars could not jprevent thxir lettlfi in a Country jwhere they -met witt* lo^mu*;h �aeouragen�ehr. from all which! mult concIudc,,*Sir, that jt the 'Peopk of dtoglahd live better, that is, more ex-'travagantly, than cbc People or cjjiaI junlt in any neirh'-ioiirir.g Country, rfiis Bill will l^e of great Service t-� us, ar.J m;y be a Me^ns of rerif-v?n; lever.iI Branches of our foreign Commerce, which are n^w lo(*, or very mnc+i in Decay. But now, Sir, I ihalJ iuppcfe, thar .he Prop ; of the Kingdom do not live herre-, or rrore extravapsnrly, than the People of equal Rank in anv other Country. In this C-iie, f fhiH grant, that the BiTl will have very little Fff ft as to the bringing over oJ any foreigo Tradpfmen to lettle amcntfr but c^o it, even in this Cafe, have anv had Effctft ? I h:v". heard no one fufg'fted, except that it may fill our Army with foreign S^lJiers j rod is in the T/rrre of a foreign War, whi.hrcay continue God know? how long, I cannot look on tsk bid Eff c?f. Ir rtiy bring into our Army a Number erf foreign Soldiers, but the Act of Ser* tie men t wifl prevent any of them fiora being mid? Officers; and however merry Genriemen may be ibout oar Offi cis being crhploytJ to ratie Re* c uits i-t G-'rmmy, I vv,l]j, that in Time ot Ws-r we had ny Method of recrafring our Armv, rather thin trhrbf htv'mg our Offi�ers (piead over the whole Ifland anJ employed in tr-tpmni-g otn* young Artificers and Libbirers into the cervtce$ rof i: is certain, thar our Miffer Tradelmen in all Softs cf Bufinefs, and Hsewjie oar harmers, begiri already' :o feci thf Bid FftVcts or this pTicr.ce, In Time of Wir thcretort, f cannot think it wOiili be any D.f*'!v Thtc rh- Army fh*il be disbanded, excepting Inch Repimems, Troops, and Cormpanjes, confifhng onif of his M^fty's nattfral born Sub/r:fs, a| fhatl bf parrJcnUriy cjprelfcd in hs M felty's Pro* climatiot). HowevtY, rf Genrleicen think, that evert irr rhe Time of War we owot not to htve any' foreign SoiJierj in oar Army, it can be rto Objection to-'tht? BiU,- bectfafe it nny be gmrded agirnitby a pr ,per Clajle for that Purpoie, AnorH�r Aprrehfr>fiori' Has; indeed, been fu�� ge/feti, bur it H I'trh a one as there is not rher lc*(f Foimdatiori'tar, and' if there were, hr migftc be eafiiy girarded agsinft by a t�* Words interred in; tft^ BiD It has Wen ruggefted, that by the general Wdrds in thfe Bin* that Claufc m tbe Aftot Setfleroertt nwy berfpealed, whereby if is provided, tfelt no ^oteigfler, Chough naTura'Htr'rd, (hall be cf the Privy Council, or Member' of eerier Hdure, or er.jdy ariv OffiOf, Or P.�*ce cR Tru This1 EfdS, it it be a bad oney may, I'fay, 5tt, b8 eifily guarded afn'nft; but however unpopular JC mary be, t mutt deol re my Opinion-, iluc this E * bit Ccttalcffiot be arrended. with any big Confe� qjerJCet to the Nation So geneiat. Tne Rt, Fron, M^nlb^1 j'Of fh.* "th.-rH&ule triy perh*p a^prehentf tri^ffft^,'b<!-attf; diey H y pe haps rh|n. they harr an txc\aftre Right o be his Maj-fty's Coanielfon, and to all the g ear Pofrs in oilr Government i bite I cannot fee" wfcy we ot this Houfe Ihoulr dreaJd' this EffecT, or arry Cosfequtnces thar \-cnf ertfue froitf it, We o#e oor Re-eff.Jbiiiri!nehr, if not our Original, td'a Gentlemm whj was by Birth t Foreignr; fdr after trie Corftjnefr w� read of no Reppjenf-atives eft th� people in Par-liarrtnt, tifrtre CfllJoor df Privilege ieltore;f, by that AfXbciaiion ot trie Batons, whkb wft htf C* ed hy Sitnort de Motitfort/ FjtI of Leicelhr. fn our prefefit Circumfl^nces, I brieve, every Gcn-tlemafl ir fenfrbre, than FWeigtiers- muft have torcd Inflfjeffce trpOn ot*r poftlick Coonfels: if fuch FolcigTiers Were honoured"" wich Tine^, and provided with good E'btes and lucrative Places in the' Country, as well as rMtnranz-J, they ;i oald, hit af! AdVives tb?y |<�Vtf, have loine Regard to the Coun'ry that had adopted thero, as to rha Country^w^err ihey* ere bom ) and as ttrcyhive felt the' Effect* or stbrtrary Pbwei, tnty would probably1 be1 more te�nat|oQs ot m� People's fj� jbefties', than fdneotrhfoae tr�at were horn--subj?ct*�-of GVeit Btrtami TKrefo/e, withReea.d to the Country or Feofik in general, I beJaevei we lhould rartcr gtirt'thrart lo^e'by a Repeat of that CliUl<J in the Act of Settlrakn , tsut *s this , be or no'ra*rrh*r'e'l' Weight, becaule ii chcy are i)ry . >eifidnssof'anr Wc igut "tr*ey nay be cafiVy guaTce* a-ainft, bya few p\vper Words in tt>e uiv.. But tttete h two Obkciions ot a private Natuie, 'whr.t* 1 think mytelt obliged to t*ke Nvcuc ut, ttio' I looic upon them both to be ot the fame Nuu.fl with tic Obfection fr*dc by th; L'niiei t,xc.s Atneos, a^aioft a Pbyficha wrtg tu� l�uu w�t a

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