Guardian, May 4, 1887


May 04, 1887

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Guardian (Newspaper) - May 4, 1887, London, Middlesex No. 2161.-ThkeTe Sheets. WEDNESDAY, MAY 18 87. By Port" 6|�L j ' TH WEEK one of the first three amendments showed i is Agreementon the principle of the Cri ivoive agreement on the 1 iportant particular the Bill is strangely defective this oa I two ethods Mr. Henry orn information was carried out. The Liberal Unionists have shown m ^ of the repeated divisions that they are one with the Government c]flnse ^ Hea > Attorney inary inqt a and Japan. The proposal has already taken s, both of which have been declined. Lord w assures us, however/ that a third form is still consideration. It would be an act of extraordinary plated by the first f oily on the part of Government they were to as strengthe clause Healy cn e" be substituted allow any part of our third route to the East to pass into Ireland, They by which Ministers support. SOU the i for " offence" in the description of the subject-matter of the | foreign inquiry. The Government rightly resisted this proposalt Even Mr. Goschen's re was read! Lakes e extent a foregone conclusion. es necessary rejected; but offence" had been used nother in reference to the r. Balfour had to admit that Harrowby again questioned the Gdver] mi t-this taxatio �ay Lord e on crime " in the course they propose to take with regard to the continued In admitting that a On cstopped themselves from insisting on any amendment which would upset the only Government from which a 3 acts. The Opposition then tried to limit preliminary inquiries to offences committed after the passing of the Act. Govern- the mo: in the New Hebrides. Francp mex the New Hebrides, b as annexed, and the Australians Cri no as Bill is ire faulty easure at ent drew a perfectly sound distinction between pro- are greatly alarmed lest occupatio grow into � "i improving it by any means in their power, so long as they are not fatal to the Bill, and they have accordingly appointed j mittee to consider the proposed change of venue fro to England. This is the one provision to which cedure in cases where the offence is one already ^ to the law and procedure in cases where a new offence is created. To make the Bill retrospective in the latter-sense would be ex post facto legislation of the worst ki possession, and another and most important French dominion in the '. In this Australians have a clear right to call upo home Govern against an injury unfortu a coi Ireland ake it retrospective in the former sense is merely to carry out one of the principal reasons for passing it. But it is not ] French talk and write about going, when it comes to action any general or serious objection seems to be entertained, stands senses, and the Attorney they stay. Salisbury that the for Ireland seemed I Government have no intention of occupying the New ore interested h and such dislike of it as is felt by Liberal Unionists is ^^^"^ether to deny that the Bill creates any new Hebrides; but the Australians are probably shared by many Conservatives. It as easy to make offence9j or to insist that those which it does cr0ftte are knowing what he proposes to do if the French continue to out a very telling case against the clause; what is not so exclu(je(j fro easy is to suggest another that shall answer the same purpose. It is of no use to make criminal procedure the scope of a preliminary inquiry Sir occupy the ore Henry es came to the help of the Government with a as suggestion that since the offences as to which a preliminary ^ ej ^ n^ � It is a disappointment of course to discover that time and inquiry ever where murder is concerned. The only result of such a ^ ~e madeclear that the clause refers only'toJJ change woidd be to tempt W existing felonies and misde out of the summary jurisdiction created by the Bill by adding murder to their tother misdeeds. If the change of has elected to Rosebery But as he eanours. [r. Balfour under- r^gret Home Ruler, there is nothing to is speech at Glasgow this day week. England Just 3k to do this, and the a On Monday Mr. Healy endment was then negatived. inquiry The Gladstonian Liberals are never so little formidable as when they threaten most loudly. When three subsfci to another; ites-change of venue from one part of Ireland proclaimed district. The discussion on this ------T ~ ---- "T - -T- - verdict by a majority of the jury ; trial by .J *' x , mak, the claU9e 08eieas_8ince the �">T � � hrt of the weaker The first of these has been F XT .. , T________.____, >___a Unionists should be won back by these soft speeches. Lord Derry sorrow at the loss of so many old friends and recognise the tenderness of conscience which has brought about the jury Leagu gravelydiscredited by the result of the Dillon case; the ferred from Kerry ^ an adjoining affords greatly disliked gainst idation; the third interesting for a re iy-was only ^ , Rosebery disdains Belfast e of inch cautious tactics. He lays all iparation on the Unionists, declares cases questioned, and that this confidence might not be riots " had stained the character of Ireland more than it " had been stal it equally trials. political valid JNetoa finds this a hard saying its that " a difference exi ots * � j : r it one> and, if so, great weight ought certainly to be duight assassination," without apparently accepting Mr Gladst that if it has not yet become a complete schie is owing to the meek forbearance of himself and his friends, and prophesies that though these last are still offering both cheeks to their adversaries, they will soon "come to an end both of their patience and of their cheeks.'9 We have no fault to find with Lord Rosebery given to it. It would not apply, however, to trial by a f^e two er are the more^disgraceful from ^ ^ of yiew Co Hill ission of English Judges. They would go over to Ireland for the single purpose of trying the grave crimes enumerated in the 4th section of the Bill, and they inds of the Irish inistration of the law in civil suits. withdrawn Home would be in people wit the The justice of their decisions would no doubt be questioned, hi MM justice hich is not in favour of a prisoner is now questioned or rather categorically denied. All that we can hope to do, therefore, is to convince the English people that Irisl cn justly treated, and we know of no ore iectual method of securing by making the unanimous v r a conviction. hanging the venue to England can be safely abandoned. If the Liberal Unionist Committee should suggest this plan the Go vex another, limiting the preliminary inquiry to cases where evi- ^ conviction8j Bofc ^ we might question the wisdom of so direct an appeal-not to traditional sympath dence had been withheld, had ^Mr. Maurice ^ dissentier|t Liberal8j but to ^ inter0sted alar^ Healy proposed that the consent of the High Court of Justice fm the safefcy of their Qwn ^ end rf aU to a preliminary inquiry should always be required. To this M ^ he ^ ^ �wiU be ft General Electi(m/, amendment the closure was eventually applied by a majority House hers. Another amendment Healy line between Tories and Liberals. >gnised Rosebery ake the preliminary thftt the General Election is further off than he thinks, and inquiry useless, was then discussed and rejected, and the . th t- u comeg events haye decreed that the onl i. 1  _____J Tl ____L 1- - _ Jl__'Li. _ J3 J.l_-i. J * J Ho then djourned. It must be admitted that Hne then recognised win be the line between those who our fears lest the closure should unduly limit debate have maintaill law and oraer in Ireland and those who, in order not as yet been justified. Salisbury Saturday, the Ho to make Ho iiki ons willing ake is still an arena in which " those will win who can sit the ing to the dreary drip of dilatory can see beyond the exhausting labours tory ewhere in with it. " in the future." rule impossible. Perhaps the distribution of strength on either side of that line will not be quite to Lord Rosebery's liking. If the constituencies follow Lord Rosebery's lead, and drive the Liberal Unionists into making their choice between associating themselves with the Nationalist party and PAARincr to be Liberals, thev will onlv prove the truth of 4 * I, It ore days' debating to get the Crimes Bill Thursday. The Tithe Bill was read a second time in the Lords on Lord Hartington's prediction that if the Liberal Unionist 1 r ry 1. into committee. Yesterday week Mr. Reid moved an r amendment, declining to go on with a Bill j � � sion of crime until the House was in po� remedial measures which the Government have in view. to iee, opposed a position becomes untenable " Liberals ground tythi sermons are of bury Bill passing Archbis ight utterly unable to approve of the course which is being taken by the majority of the party and its leaders," will x) alternative but to separate themselves definitely have and join the ranks of the Conservatives h � kind for which one text is just as good as had inst received e clergy, b the Church Defence ent he ;ion to aebeje* iliar arguments were repeated on Tuesday, Wed 1 Thursday. We do not call this obstruction, bee* V T would consider dropped. The judgment b � f resistance ins particular in co tilu most ittee perfectly capabt ft easipire under discussion passing of another measure, or to bring the Government or P?um^ Bat though it be not obstruction | m& debated ubjects of great i � � L Lords. Both of them relate tave been briefly . on Friday, and left L J train. In a despatch to the French Ambassador, Prince Bismarck explains that the sole cause of his release is that M. Schnaebele crossed M in consequence of an agreement with a Ger an aeet and transact common official business." Such an e with a special appro agreement, iks, should always carry ake |p|p|civ :M m calculated to MNii^ in committee. The division wus | Lord Harr is At a time when the with it a safe conduct. But for this M. Schnaebele i -k * I 1 arck ajority lonial Oo^ferenee, now sitting under Sir Henry Holland's would certainly have been ore excellent g ce, is �a arsday, the this as on the last stage I paeifio :BM and, as work. On Friday 1 reads the evidence, Would certainly have iat the Canadian It must be noted, however, that the does not laebele L 1" "mm - r r Ocean within I assert this in respect of anything done by fourteen days of Bagland, �^ given us a third route to the | in French territory. On the contrary, it says expressly that #9 committee stage began, and began in * ilast entire h t tkes a good deal of trouble in the future. >IUS 1. h sua ed to be bi'^i-:*--^' � � ----- '-i � very earefulfy drafted, but each between the ten - h j _ pay a subsidy to proceedings agar " mation that he had committed the cri an Empire., taken "on infer-of treason within territory an essential part, however! of the relations unfortunately existing between - i t r i- \ - V 11 4 -h 41 i h .1 ' J 4 Lt 1 ' -At " - p ;