Church Herald, July 15, 1871

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July 15, 1871

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Church Herald (Newspaper) - July 15, 1871, London, Middlesex Church Published on Wednesdays and Saturdays at Bedford Price One THE BISHOP OF LONDON AND HIS ALTHOUGH it is impossible not to admire the kindl tone of the Bishop of Londons Letter to the tw Canons of Pauls which we published on yet one cannot but regret that it shool convey pooran idea of the Episcopal and show so eager a readiness to have that office overborne by an msurped secular We pass by several of th Tumor details of the question mainly in dispute between his Lordship and the which really sink into in comparison with the broad and pro minent fact of that question as it has been pre sented to us by the Judicial as a tribuna utterly unauthorised by the and therefore usurping legitimate functions of the upon it to give judgments in spiritual matters witi which the Church herself is the only anc the only competent authority to It is no excuse to as the Primate is accustomed eo mistakenly to that the Queen is the head of the anc can delegate even the spiritual authority claimed for Her as to her Privy or to a Judicial Committee of the As we have more than in connection with this lately hac occasion to the Church of England only acknow ledges any such supremacy of the Sovereign with the important Quantum per Christi legem This original condition is ever to be borne in in any acknowledgment of Eoyal And therefore we in so far as is consistent with the main tenance of those and spiritual powers which the law of Christ confers on His does the Church of England give authority within her pale to the The Churchs own and only proper rulers are her But if the rule of the Bishops is to be overruled by the by a Court like that of the Judicial acting in the name of the is all Episcopal rule in the Church of England a mockery and a delu One can conceive of a Church Court of Appeal against the judgments of individual Bishops but surely for a State which is not only secular in but has no authority from the usurp a power which belongs only to the and thereby to set the Courts of the Church herself at is an utter ignoring of the Churchs own as well as those which are inherent in her Divine as those which were secured to her by ifagna The Bishop of London signally illustrates this surrender of at of the Churchs own and spiritual when he declares to the purpose to continue a practice declared however grave the scandal which it may and must when avowed by Clergymen of high position and and how ever painfully disappointing to a Bishop who naturally looks to his Chapter for cooperation and is not an offence against the laws It may grant be carried But if it and if I am duly called upon by the authorities of the to which we belong to take cognizance of the I shall be bound to do so under the provisions of the Clergy Discipline The case is here ingeniously The authorities of the one might were some authorities empowered by the Church to enforce her own But it is nothing of the The very offence supposed in the first not one at according to any Church law in according to any law what save that which is so anomalously constituted such by the mere of the Judicial but onlV an adoption of a Christian usage which there has never been considered anything to either in our own or any other branch of the Catholic and which has been held as essential to the due per formance of the sacred ordinance in which it To speak of it as a practice declared illegal is no doubt to describe it in highsounding But nothing could be more fallacious for not only has the Church of England herself never declared the prac tice to be but it has prevailed at her altars more or probably ever since she has had Sacraments administered by her it has and does in the Church throughout all the A Protestantism may object to as it objects to Catholic truth But for a Judicial that is bent only on giving force and effect to the prin ciples and prejudices of that to declare illegal such a longestablished and necessary and then for a Bishop to imply that the refusal to acknowledge the on such illegitimate will be an offence against the laws can but be regarded as indicating a perversion of jus in and which it must degrade the Church of as an ever to be made a party Where are the laws Eccle siastical against which it would be an offence His Lordship can never surely mean to say that any dicta of Judicial Committees are laws Ecclesiastical I The true principles of the Church of as of every other veritable branch of the Catholic Church of place her authority and her doctrines out of the reach of human of Judicial Com mittees and Clergy Discipline Acts to the not The Bishops ideas of Rubrics are somewhat and very partial There are he so clear as not to be mistaken but there are others quite the And he regards it as obvious that the probability of coercive action being called for in the case of Enbrics which unhappily fallen partially into is very small in comparison with the case of Bubrics which are subjects of con troversy and costly But why does not his Lordship insist on Entries being dutifully observed which have fallen into through through or from any other the obli gations of which have never been disputed for does he connive at the Bubric enjoining the Daily Service to be so systematically set at naught by the low and lazy of his Clergy 5 Or does he sanction the habitual in the same of the Eubrics which direct a Minister to declare unto the people on Sundays what Holy Days there are in the week and also permit the shameful neelect of the Days as though there were none such required to be religiously observed in the Church of England The Clergy who habitually commit such gross negligences are not only not or required to be but are countenanced and and are generally among the first to be promoted by their The office and work of a Bishop in the Church of God can never be justly regarded apart from the duty and the responsibility of administering the godly dis cipline and of doing BO faithfully and impar The Bishops in the Churchs each in his own as the especial sphere of his Episcopal And what the Church of England at this moment especially wants for her security and her prosperity is the realisation of the principle of Episcopal as contradistinguished from State not according to the predilections or the prejudices of him even as a ruler of would himself be the but a doe administration of the Churchs not the States by a and therefore righteous not a worldly and timeserving It is that form of government of which it has been truly that not only do all its tendencies incline to and the exclusion of but it no other form can realise principle of subjection without which there can be no adherence to and therefore no fixed standard either of truth or The rule of one is responsible to God alone and obedience to it mngfke practised upon And it is EplBopacy and Monarchy in the State are corre spondent exhibitions of the same And where Episcopacy is the Monarchy will soon GLADSTONES IEISH UPAS IT is evident from what was stated in the House of Lords the other that so far from Glad stones Irish Upas Tree having been it is as flourishing as The right gentleman was not only to have but to have uprooted it Yet we it is it Only give him the opportunity of ruling he told the let him have the chance of intro ducing his him the First Minister of the with a Parliamentary majority at his back to do his high and they would soon see that pestiferous tree cut root and and Ireland restored to as healthy a and as any other part of the United And he people are incredulous and confiding enough to yield o has plausible They respond to his earnest appeal with such telling effect that the Minister of the day does not think it worth while to await the formal display of the power they had given him until the new elected under the Gladstonian mania hat was met for the despatch of but 16 forthwith resigns his Premiership and dissolves his There no obstacle what ever to the destruction of the Upas Tree at And orth the redoubtable champion axe in to do his promised with all the advantages which the strength he has had imparted to and the sym mthy that surrounds cannot fail to Up and down he traverses the Now wards a felling now strikes And the tree was declared to have fallen under the vigorous strokes he of saw it The whole thing was an The fact was that he made it a case of And at length men began o adopt the language of an ancient and to He hath very wittily allegorised this allow ing But that it really was true they were reassured there ld be no manner of Yet doubt there at any if such poisonous ree there actually had there it was still for the mischief attributed to its malarious they was as rife as Hence it became a perfect If there really never was any tree of the rind in what became of Gladstones veracity But if there was its pestilent properties still operating on all within the range of its influences as fatally as what were they to think of all the xjastfnl assurances given them of his ability to destroy and of the sacrilegious and other sacrifices they had nabled him to make for the purpose Surely it must be that his case is as the poet so forcibly Which good or ill does equally And both the of his dilemma All this we be told is mere idle specu Not the evidence on the question was given by one Irish Peer after another in the Ipper House of Parliament on the occasion to which we have Facts are stubborn things and ar more than tropes and or ights of howsoever classical or clever hey may about Upas Trees or anything and whatever deep device they may be designed to The which adduce them are such as one may most reasonably rely They we Irish and honest learted Irish who live among the and whose as well as whose it so obviously must be to promote the peace and prosperity of their that they would never think of questioning uch a consummation having been it eally they might have happened to iffer in politics from him who had accomplished ind see what is their frankly we have o faithfully there was Lord who the Press as an ndex of the feeling of the he laid stress on lie fact that five out of the nine Dublin newspapers Tossessing any considerable circulation were decided jdvocateB of rebellion and he urged that the prevailing isaffection was the more serious as it had followed the assage of two supposed measures of and as contemporaneous with increased material prosperity and with state of foreign relations not encouraging to omestic Admitting that disaffection was o now thing in he contended that it was more erious owing to the elements of order being and to the disgust felt by the Protestant not BO much at recent legislation as at the acrifica of great interests to party exigencies which nspired tijat Their might ven now be relied on in case of As for the lea that time must be allowed for the results of the Jhnrch and Land Acts to show he argued hat the character of the harvest to be expected from hem was already taking as a sample of it a ecent meeting of or peasants at where the LandAct was denounced as and Gladstones name evoked repeated Much more did the noble lord give expression nite as conclusive of the utter failure of Glad tones pretended pacifying But we must hasten the evidence of another equally wellqualified Lord Oranmore declared that the present Government existing on law was dormant nd rowdyism in the Irishmen did not love English but it had misruled them as to leave hem no alternative save Priestly There was ttle use in the Chief Secretary promising to preserve he integrity of the if in the same breath he ejeased those at firtf showed the use of giving them the opportunity of organising an international league throughout English and new raids from If the Premier was to bid for popularity against the fuse was already lighted to the powder magazine on which we One more witness for the we have nor will we do more than give his summingup of the whole by briefly stating that the Earl of Leitrim warmly denounced the general policy of and concluded by declaring that policy little calculated to restore confidence to the people of or to induce any persons to expend money in that We these high testimonies to the wretched failure of Gladstones Irish Upas Tree swindle to tell their own But we cannot do so without reminding our readers that their interest in the as English is some such some similar plausibleyet subtle will no doubt ere long ba brought to disestablish and to and Church of as well as the Church of Ireland and it behoved us all tobe ready to resist it and which we shall succeed in if only we come manfully forward in tile might and majesty of our sacred i Hearts resolvd and hadds prepaid The blessings we enjoy to LAYING OF THE FOUNDATIONSTONE OF The laying the foundationstone of the new church to be erected at and which is dedicated to took place on the ceremony being performed by Earl The proceedings comnleneed with a choral Celebra tion of the Holy Communion in the temporary and a Sermon by the The Service was well ren and the Sermon was fall of sound advice and encourage ment for Catholic English Churchmen at the present The church was crowded in every and many nnable to gain admittance were kneelinf in the At the con clusion of the Service the school carrying various marched to the and were shortly afterwards followed by the choir headed by a cross and the and We we march to Arrived at the an appropriate Office was said by the one of the Assistant In the singing of the hymns the choir were assisted by a brass which added very considerably to the After the Priest had blessed the stone the noble Earl dnly laid repeating in an audible voice the following the eternal glory of the Holy and the faith of Jesus we lay the fonndationstone of this to ba dedicated as the Church of in the name of the and of the and of the Holy Hymns and psalms then during the singing of which a collection was The noble Lord then addressed those He expressed the pleasure it gave him at being present there that and taking the part he did in the good wort He spoke of the great increase of the which hid rendered the building of the church necessary and he was tlad to say that all the seats in the chnrch were to be free and so in this there would be no invidious distinctions between rich and but that all would worship here on the principle that God was the Maker of them He did not say that all churpbra could in some old churches here might be reasons rendered the free and unappropriated principle but this did not exist in our new At the conclusion of the noble Earls speech the Benediction was pronounced by the Kirk the Vicar and we regret to add that this was the only part be could take in the owing to his having so recently suffered from a very severe attack of caught in the discharge of his Ministerial and which had left him in such a state of debility as to render him unable to take any part in the Services of his At the conclusion of the the Clergy and choir left the ground singing Christian A luncheon held at the Thomass and presided over by Earl which was numerously At the conclusion of the grace having been the noble CHAIBKAK gave the toast of Church and and in a speech of much earnestness took occasion to deprecate any attempt being made to separate the Church the Every Clergyman and he should resist this to the Not that he thought the Church alone would suffer from any such disunion he believed the State would be the greater Some people talked of the Church being the creature of the He believed that the State was very much the creature of the He regretted that there were some Churchmen agitating the disestablishment of the under the idea that they would then be free from the trammelj of the But the noble earl pointed would not She might escape Privy perhaps and be hadnorling to say about that bat it would only be to have all the Churchs cases tried by the House of She would escape from one lay tribunal to he was the ease with the various Dis senting The State controlled the property of and settled their Ecclesiastical disputes the same as it did those of the Church and that would always be the In concluding an admirable which was listened to with great Earl Beauchamp urged upon all Clerical as well as and the ladies to use their and to fight with ill their against any attempt being made to dissolve the union between the Chnrch and the Stata of this realm of His lordship sat down amidst loud The next from the was the Bishop and Clergy of the and in proposing Earl Beauchamp spoke most kindly of Bishop He considered he was fair and impartial to and always tried to promote unity and earnestness amongst all He was all that some in that room wonld wish him to but they must remember that a Bishop should not be the Bishop of one but of all and this he believed the Bishop of London to Only the other the Bishop in speaking to him in the House of Lords observed that he did not always findthai those who talked most of the value of Episcopacy were the foremost in obeying the wishes of their But the Bishop as was also admitted by the Archbishop of when he was Bishop of that amongst those who were termed High Chorea or he numbered some of the most self and hardworking Clergymen of his High said the noble martnot allow it to be said of them that they were disloyal to their but they must try n every way to uphold their and to obey their godly admo The noble earl then coupled the toast the name of the whose gigantic and noble Christian work at the eastend of London he highly Lowders name was the occasion of an enthusiastic outburst of and the toast was drunk with three LOWDZB returned thanks in a very amusing It was altogether against his wish he had been placed at that high and he was made the mouthpiece for the Clergy of the he thanked the noble lord very much for the kind manner in which he bad mentioned his and tha company for the cordiality with which they bad received the toast He had worked under three Bishops of and he must testify to the uniform kindness and sym pathy which he had received from them We must he that the office of a Bishop was in these days a very arduous and trying and ba thought if Churchmen made their Bishop more frequently the object of their prayers it be to the advantage alike of the Bishop and When we remembered how Bishops ware it was very often on account of their political rather than from any other must be ihtnkful thai we generally got such good and devoted men as vre we must strive to raise the Bishops to our The Clergy of late had risen up to more earnestness an4 to a higher appreciation of their offices and their duties and the as they rose to an equal appreciation of their mart cany their Bishops with As the Clergy and Laity advanced in Catholic truth and to a higher standard of the so it would as a matter of that men of liko opinions should be raised to the Episco pate loud The next toast wu that of tha Vicar of tha in deservedly eulogistic terms by the of Et May Ha referred to tha arduous scried on bythe and the many difficulties ha bad had to contend He alluded to the serious illness which Kirkpatrick had beei suffering and which had been caught in the discharge o his He considered such gatherings as the present mos interesting when the Clergy and Laity of othe parishes came with their pecuniary aid and their smiling and helped a Clergyman on in his and gave him frei energy and vigour to go on and combat against all obstacles an Most did he propose the Th Vicar of the The toast was received with great in a few thanked his congregate and friends for the kind manner in which they had received th toast but the illness which had compelled him to lav by for th last six months prevented him from saying all he wished on tha He spoke of the great kindness he had received from his dear the West of the noble way in which his brother Priests had carried on the work and Services of tb and alluded with warm admiration to the labours of th Sisters of Peters He could speak from persona experience of their kindness and selfdenial they had nursec him through his long and painful and they devoted them selves in the very same manner in nursing and relieving the ver poorest and most destitute of the Without their aid i would have been impossible to have carried on so many goa works in the parish as heand his Curates lad He thankei them all from the bottom of bis heart for the kind and affectionat sympathy shown to that and resumed his seat amids hearty In a brief but telling speech LANCASTKB who is so wellknown to Churchmen for the active part he takes in every good work for the good of the but more specially as thr founder of the Peters Sisterhood proposed the health of thi noble It was unnecessary for him to say anything in praise of Lord because his zeal for tha interests of the Church and for the welfare of the State were wellknowi and appreciated but as a member of the Building Committee o the new chnrch he did most heartily thank the noble Earl for his presence amongst them that The toast was received with loud and hearty cheers again anc again and was briefly and feelingly acknowledged by Lord who expressed the pleasure it had given birr in being amongst them that and taking the part he had He hoped he should be amongst them again when the church was and their beloved Priest was restored tc health and He had been struck with the orderly and reverent demeanour of the crowd assembled at the Living of the He did not refer to the choir and what he might term the congregation but to the sightseers who stood en the walls and He noticed with pleasure the heartiness in which manyjof them present joined in the and the reverent manner in which they bowed their heads at the Holy All the he of the good work which had been going on amongst and of the teaching which they received from their Clergy in the temporary in their and throughout their Pastoral He remem bered what excitement and contention there was just 21 years ago at the Consecration of it was proposed to have a procession through the streets with cross and The disgraceful riots which followed irero known pro bably to most of those present but now all this had passed and the uplifted the elaboratelyworked the whiterobed and the chanted psalm or were not only but were looked and as well by the regular churchgoers as by the and the outside crowd who gathered round to witness the interesting and edifying And why was this change Because a dailyincreasing and faithful had brought the people to a just appreciation of their responsibilities and duties and in their their their missionrcoms and in the streets and had boldly notwithstanding many much and the cer tainty of being passed over in any valuable had boldly and fearlessly he the true faith and teaching of the Catholic noble during the delivery of his speech of which tho above is a mere was frequently interrupted with bursts of Tho remaining toasts which were proposed we can only briefly allude That of The Building Committee was neatly pro posed by and acknowledged by Professor The Assistant Clergy of the Church was warmly and the name of the senior Priest the Williams was the signal for three hearty WILLIAMS facetiously and very happily and proposed The He was glad to see them and hoped they would come again when the church was He he very glad to see of course in he was very glad for what they wonld leave behind them so he hoped they would always not only with radiant but with their pockets well filled with The FULLEH replied for the He said that when his friend Kirkpatrick was the Curateinchurge of he had taken a card to collect money amongst his country frisnds for that church and when died he had hoped that Kirkpatrick wonld have been appointed to the but it was not Another appoint ment had been and the result of that appointment was spiritual destitution to the he often noticed on his breakfasttable a jar of and the label on the jar stated that marmalade at breakfast was an excellent substitute for He was not quite sure of that but of this he was quite was a good substitute for St Laughter and Earl BEAUCHAXP then proposed the toast of Tha Architect which was well company then Broke The interesting proceedings of the day were appropriately closed with Evensong in the temporary and a Sermon by the of The chnrch is being built on a most magnificent and in be very much of the character of a It will be ready for consecration in the course of next Let us notice one other feature in the days The members of the men and were entertained at the and sat down with the general The boys especially seemed highly to appreciate this part of the pro and it is a feature we should be glad to see followed on all similar Afterwards the workmen engaged in the building of the church were entertained to a substantial In concluding this account most sincerely do we bid God speed to all engaged in this noble and earnestly pray that the good Vicar may soon be restored to and be able to take his share in the many labours of love and charity which are ceing carried on in his for the good of the people and for the greater glory of SUNDAY OBSEBVANOE The following are the clauses of a Bill just bearing the names of Secretary Bruce and UnderSecretary Winter No prosecution or other proceeding shall be instituted against any person for any offence committed by him under the Act of the 29th year of the reign of King Charles the chapter intitled An Act for the better observation of the Lords commonly called or for the recovery of any forfeiture or penalty for any such except by or with the consent in writing of tha chief officer of the police of the police district in which the offence ia In this act the term police district means the district mentioned in the schedule to this and the term chief officer of police means the officers mentioned in relation to each district in that This Act maybe cited as The Sunday Observance Pro secution This Act shall continue in force until the 1st of and no Police Chief Officer of The City of London and tho The Commissioner of Police of liberties exclusive of The metropolitan police dis trict Any any or liberty of any borough or town main taining a separate police tho The Commissioner of Police of the The chief constable or head constable or other by whatever name having the chief command of the police in tha police the police under one chief constable shall be deemed to constitute one force for the purpose of this following circular from the Foreign Office may be useful to some of our Her Majestys Principal Secretary of Stata for Foreign has been informed by Her Majestys Minister at Brussels that many British travellers have recently been delayed in endeavouring to enter Belgium via in consequence of informality in their It again notified that persona proposing to cross the French frontier into Belgium must be provided with which will not be considered unices the bear a Belgian THE OLEBGY AND THE TO THE incometax presses notoriously hard upon the Clerjrr and hardest of all upon those whose Ulendowec Benefices compel them to add the work of chaplaincies and lee ureshrps to their In consideration of the hardships with which the incidence of the tax is acknowledged to be may I ask yon to give publicity to the annexed correspondence betwcan the Chancellor of the Exchequer and jjoa The Wardens Great June The Wardens Great Jane I beg leave to state my case to yoa in respect of the obligation of and to invite your opinion whether my view of it is morally correct That my own case is actually the case of many of my may probably enhance the importance of my inquiry and of your I am the Vicar of with a gross income In I am Warden of the Beanchamp with a gross income gross income from my TEe proper in expenditure of at leastfor besideseWrirggSBb lay on the maintenance of which is part of my and for the cost of which amounting to I am solely I do not mention other burdens in the maintenance of Divine Service which fall entirely on I am called upon by the Government to make a return of the profits of my as some wonld call my profes It is I to be supposed that the Clergy whose professional resources for the most narrower those of lawyers and medical men are unlike lawyers and medical men debarred from taking into account and deducting the cost at which they exercise their calling before they return the profits upon which their incometax is I have much understated my costs when I have laid them at and deducted that sum from my gross receipts And I have not failed to remember that the same so deducted be taxed inevitably when it reaches tie pocket of my May I inquire of you whether I in your ful filling my moral obligations to the State in returning the profits on my profession at I have the honour to your obedient JAMES Vicar of Great and Warden of the Beauchamp The Eight Bobert June am directed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to acquaint in reply to your letter of the 16th that if your Curate is licensed to the Curacy by the Bishop of the yon are entitled to deduct the tax on payment of The law does not of relief being given to an Incumbent on account of payments to Clergymen who may be employed by him without being licensed but as Vicar of yon are a offieio Warden of the Beauchamp rou might be entitled to an allowance for any expense to which rou may be put in finding occasional when the duties of the two offices under the 52nd section of the Act 16 and 17 which grants an abatement to a Clergyman or any sum or sums of money or expenses incurred by and on the performance of his Inty or functions as such This section is the test applied to all claims of the As regards the it is apprehended that their main is and not necessarily ia tho legal sense undertaken by your obedient James The Wardens June have tho honour to with many letter of the 22nd I venture to trouble yon with one observation which I am jonnd to for the sake of clearly ascertaining that such cases as mine come within the purview of the statute which yon and that tho words ex applied to are not a imitation of it The offices of Vicar and Warden here are perfectly need not necessarily be held by the same person but pro vision is made by the Court of Chancery for holding them toge because there is no adequate maintenance for the Let me add while the duties of the two offices can lardly be said to they are such as cannot well be dis harged by one person and that the expenses incurred in for them are nd in their your bedient JAMES July reply to your farther dated 24th I am desired by the Chancellor of the Exchequer to state that as s assumed to be the your Curate is licensed to his Curacy y the Bishop of the you are not entitled to any allow nce from the assessment upon yon in respect of your Curates tipend of you are at liberty to recoup by deducting the amount of incometax applicable as already explained and if the Curate be entitled to exemption or he must procure repayment from the special But it is possible that there may not be any licensed Curate f Newland and in that having regard to all the circum ances mentioned in your the Chancellor of the Exche ner thinks that the expense to which you may be put in pro nring assistance comes within the spirit of the 52nd section of Sand 17 34 and he has caused instruction to that ffect to be given to the Surveyor of I your obedient James BTVEBS THE JUDICIAL AND At the annual meeting of the Birmingham Branch o the a few days the Oldknow in the The addressed the meeting on tha osition of tie Chnrch of England with reference to the Purchas He thought that that Judgment instead of doing iem harm had done them they found lat Churchmen who before were afraid of doing were Doming to the conclusion that resistance must be made to the udicial They saw that the whole doctrines of the Jhnrch were being and it was no longer a question of onns and He thought that although they had a Salaam to curse them he had blessed them Who were the Judicial Committee First of there was the Archbishop of the Dean of York had told he speaker that he had had to consume the Elements which lis Grace had left on the And that was a ruler of the Church who disobeyed her plain and who was called o give Judgment in Bnbrics which were doubtful The Bishop f it was was opposed to the and Lord latherley was Then this Court had declared that bough the Bible might contain the Word of it was an open inestion as to whether it was the Word of and they could lot deprive a Clergyman who said that certain parts of the Bible were not Then they took away the doctrine of the ternity of punishment There was no more to be said for the ternity of happiness than for the eternity of punishment They rere very anxious to obey the on the ground that they were and last year ha did say something about tha expediency of agreeing together to obey the But ha eld that the decisions given were The Judgment a the Mackonochie case condemned that in the Portias He spoke on the last occasion for Ha DOke now for ignoring the whole They had to obey God r it They were willing to render under Cmsar 10 things which were bnt not to give to Csssar the lings which were They must ignore the and pay no attention to it They should gain lore by what was called persecution than by any other o did not care for excepting so far as they represented bnt in the contention for their rights they must stand irmly He begged to the Purchas Judg nent is to be regarded as a providential arrangement for the romulgation of Catholic truth in the Church of The JOHKBOH Packwood seconded the which was carried The the DOUGLAS addressed the meeting on the nestiou of as affected by the Parliamentary igislation of the present They could have very little oubt that if the present Parliamentary action was the ooner they were freed from the State the till he should hesitate to put his hand to the machinery for separating the Chnrch from the Many of his warmest nends went in for disestablishment and at the meeting of the Chnrch Union in London it was felt that there was such diversity f opinion that it would have been better it the question not jeen He thought that they mmt wait for a provi ential course to sea what would be done with the ;