British Freeholder And Evening Journal, October 21, 1820, Page 2

British Freeholder And Evening Journal

October 21, 1820

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British Freeholder And Evening Journal (Newspaper) - October 21, 1820, London, Middlesex -4 a Jm -Th?� was In t�* examlnafion of Sacch., who ."f.f io .be caKeof M.eQneen ? Her Auorney "'^1^ W.U,e question ; lUc J udges were consiilted, �" J that it ought ..ot to b.- put-^n^ ��bse'jne'it that Ihere was some siispicioh^tJ aceni of the Queen, iiiiglit be .employed by lj�r Majcsly. al)d that he might hav6 lottrlcied in the business I'urlher than he ought lo have done. When llieir Lurd.'-hips had reason to k(i|) tiiat a conspiracy eiisted, and the Counsel a.t the bar offered (o (irsve lhat conspiracy, how couid they refuse to enter into the inquiry? Onght not thir"i>ce .shofild be proved to be false, anri that she had been n�i.jusijy d�n4iron�d and degraded.-Waiwick, the king-ni/ik*r, never did ajiy Ihnjg, sp .lyonslrous. Were tlieir Ir.rdsljiiis lo at^opltliis cpuise; wiint remedy conid they liijve^-ffliy no oiher, than to divorce the King from his iiew wife, and to lestore the injured and inshlted Caroline it) her rank aad hoijours. Hi* Lordship concluded a very able spi;(,'^di by faying, that lihips had decided yesierday. It was this-Supposius, accordin,^ to the rules . or law, evidence of a conspiracy to sub'orn witnesses ou^lit not to' be admitted, except as far as relate., to the prosecutor ora^ent eiuployed by hira, will rioi general evihence f-|iloymcnt. ' ' Did he state the nature of the employment he woulif give you ? ...Yes, in the policp of Milan. Did yon afierrftwils possess yourself of any of her Royal High-Besses papers, and take tiiem to Vilmicarti ? The Sdlicitoii-Genekal objected to the question. . Did you, in consiequencp of your conversation with Vilmicarti, d� any thing with the papers of her Royal Highness ?-Yes, on iJie following dayl brought him Aome. Did Vilmicard say any thing about the time you should go to his office ?... He told me to call in the evening. Did he mention any patticuhir time in toe evening ?...Yc�, after sun set. . � . - Did you, upon any^ other occasion, take aay papers to "Vilpia-artj ^elating to. the Princess did.. . For how long a period were you in the habit of taking het Royal Highness papers to Vilmacarti ? Toe Solicitor GoifERAL objected to thequesU'en. tjn'limv many tJccasions did you take papers fromCodazzi to Vilnxacaru ?...! do not know hirtr many tunc*.' hid you do it frequently ?..,NoL What papers did you give Regantt ?..4Paper� respecting the affairs of her Royal Highness. What affair of her Royal Highness ?...The affair now pending. Did Reganti know in whose employment you were?...He inew it, for lie. had come to my house Mkmg afier the Secretary of Godachi, and I was the Secretary of Qfvdliial^^-'^^^ Did Vilmacittti'Bay wjy thing mora ^aurJJBii' ment?...Hetoia;m'e that he wias a person 'i^- nothing else. mnploy-ha ,told did not see his belt. A -uw him on the following day, , held a liOnversatidn wii)l the on the subjedt df the ptoscsi against , , _^ rfl.i'T.. ....^ w r.----- I Highness. When did yoa"first, disclose to Godachi ttf^tCy.o^i'-^ad taken these papsrs ?...''0n the 27l.h''July. -w,....^ > What year ?.,This year. Do you mean 1820?... Yes. Was that the first time you informed Qodachi? wa�. Describe Col. Brown's house:' are there any goods sold there ? ...There is a shop on both sides of the door. What goods are sdld in the shdps r.,.Ofa the lieft "there Is a tailor, on the right a dealer in alabaster. Did Vilmacarti pay you anything for the papers you delivered the first time?...He gave me three double golden Napoleons, and told me the./ were for me to take a chop with. AVhatdidhe pay you for the second parcel you gave him ?... Four single Napoleons. When you took the third parcel what did he pay you?...He paid me for them at another time. Having carried papers for so long a period, and having been paid by Vilmacarti, did you ever communicate the circumstance to Codazzi ?...I never said anything to Codazzi. Did you not think that you were acting a most infamous part in soiling those papers to Vilmacarti ?;.!i did not at the beginning-tA laugh.) When did you discover that this conduct was base arid infamous .'...About the beginning of tins year-(A laugh.) ' Was ir. a discovery df your own that this conduct was base and infamous, or were you told it by another person ?.i. Tfitrc arc mailt/ mho act base!;/ and Infamousli/, dad a/tenvardt do tepent, and so have I-(Laughter.) Then, having repented in January, vou afterwards delivered to Vilmacarti a list of witnesses?.�.There were five or six ot' them, and I wrote their names. Did Vilmacarti pay you for that intelligence?...No, I gate him the list. Did Reganti pay you ?...! did not give the list to Reganti, hut to Vilmacarti. How long after this did your master, Codazzi,' hear of it ?.;* On the same day that I gave the list to Vilmacarti, I told it to Codazzi.- � ' . With the exception of the hst, did you deliver any other paper to Vilmacarti after December ?...No. Will you swear that positively ?...One hundred times-(A laugh.) Did you ever after that offer papers to Vilmacarti ?..! never called till Colonel Brown sent me. Vilmacarti made his last payment when Colonel Brown sent me to him, towards the end of March. . What sum did you last receive from Vilraacartij at the end of March ?...Fifty twS livres and a half of Milait Are you quite sure that was at the end of Mart;h ?.;:Yes. Will you swear thttt Colonel Brown did not ask yon who ydu were, and that when you refused to tell him, he shut the door, and said you should not quit the room until you told who you were ?...! swear thai is not true. 'Did not Colonel Brown, on your giving him the letters, say you were a most infamous scoundrel, and that you would end by being hanged ?...He shall be lianged, atid not X, for J luive Hot said so. That it not an answer to the question; it is not what you said, but what Colonel Brown said. - The question was repeated, to which the witness answered, I rep^t again it is not true. He gave me the letters, but he said no more; he shut the door of the room in order that we should not be heard, and he told me not to speak so loud; and he bd me call again on Vilmacarti the nest day, and he would cause me to receive 200 franco Did he not, on shutting the door, say you should not go out until you told who you were ?...He is a liar if he says so. I swear it. Did not Colonel Brown say you was a most infaipous fellow? ...I have repeated it many times, he did not say so. Did he not say you would end by being hanged ?...He never said so. Did he not say something to that cffjct?..,2Vb lie did not. I have been seduced by them; and they are more infamous tftan I am. I called twice on Colonel Brown; the first time he was not at home I often saw hini since at Milan, f iiever saw him at hisTiouse but once. It was about the end of March this year. I took lo Col. Brown two or three letters. Having said that you discovered for the first time, in the month of January, that it was infamous to betray your master, I want to know if you consider it infamous to swear on your oadi what is not true ?...To swear the truth is just. What is true, I swear, and what l.have said I am ready to swear. I told Codazzi these facts on the 27th of July, and he immediately dismissed me. What are you to have for coming here?...I will receive nothing. I come hereto remedy my error, and speak the truth. I swear I do not expect any compensation for coming here., I swear it is to remedy the evil that I come here, and tor no other motive whatever. I have not seen Codazzi since I left his He never sent fur me. I do not know that he is still service. How ofieh do fon beUeie?.;.Sereu or eight tunes at the i employed for her Royal Highness. irtmost. Hid Vilmicarti.know you were Clerk to Codazzi when you t|� t ought hot to doubt but that^he would pay me what he .p|4WJsed. ... "'i.'Did you, in consequence of this conversation with Col, Brown, IV^ike. a fresh application to Vilmacarti ?...Col. Brown told ree td dttUbn Vibi-acartionthe following day, and be would give me e^rtietliing. � � Did'you call on ViliDacarti ?...! did. 'Oid'>ou receive any inoaey from him ?..!,didk ' Wheie'does Vilmacarti live in Milaa?...Ri�e Gabdlo. Did he hve there when you took papers to him'i>..>He did. DidWalways live tbtre ?...No, when 1 first took paper* to iitfD he lived in the lane of the Rue Gabello. ^ Wiere diil Cot Brownlive ?...BeyOnd the brid|;eat the eastern iJo you know the number:0f the house/...I do not. To what subject did the papers rehite which you took to Vilmacarti?. , , �� The SoLiciTOHrGEMEttAL objected to the question. you know what the. papers ael&te to ?...Some of them. ' LrtinyOusute wb4{ Subject they rdated to ?...One was the qe-. fMiuonof Jemm,diekaiiafewbo bad been �ntt� Vienna with ;sacchi. Aji tiiey'went/aioog the road^jacchi said->- ' Here'the witness was interrupted. ��' t want to know what .the papers related to?...They werf Anrdepositions of witnesses 9,..Not among the letters. Thiey w��Ietters,ot the Princess, Bergami^andothers.' ' _ BOsides tiie letters, were there any depodtions or sUtements or '*�fte8seg?...Tberewasnot. . , What other papers were there besides tltt letters P.i.Copies \Qt tSe Answers of the advocate rkrIiVAi 51 . ^ Answers of Cdaawi to Bcrgamt Any other papers ?.;.No. � J'aTF^v: * . know what subject fte^ftenri^'to?...$bine of told ti*.-, ittate them ?...One was ai6tt�*�bfB�8aihi; wbosaitl'he foM, not return to. Mihia before he 8a#4hti�H�WB*.W�> W*^* ynuutm 6aoe�b.efore, go.�ith6utshoesa3aiif.-'Hi - ,' _z The LORD CHANCELl�*^bT!ihe Wier she wasa most just and charitable woman. : By J^idLAUDteRDALE-Wereyouyoursdf at the balls tii the Barona ?.,.1 tol4 you s6 the day betbre. :, Were your daughters there ?...No, because I hare got none. Howcame you to say the other day, that you had stipulated fbc a livre a day for your wife, and haJf a'livie fofryour daugh� ters?...I said (the witness mentioned in. |talian,dimunitive, not meaning daughters* but infant boys) I liad a son qine years of age, and others wae under iL I had daii^hters, but they are .^�Mi2aR, wweift^ thv mke�m I^HitficBCti,' tbe AdvoiAte Zangia .irajtintothehwa^^wit^gdo^tiiiSto. there about aaiimiii^^bal^vqH^ Ileoiaviedbetojr. and^j " ' ' for I________ ^. , - - when he met Zangia, and ZaDgla said hb was M^pr Biown.- They did not spd*^W,>f|cli;flther, but ftej; bowedi^ The name of thea^et in wliidi t^lti^fwM/l^iTOOrientale, iJJimber was 2angla went ujp s�i|ijfi|'^:ifa^ of whieh now spoken. Z^irgla ronaitiraF'theif^a qu^r of an .^hoiiir.- Whi�'h4 eame down hehaa;:ft;ttisdful bfegbld-jn ^Tapdleflhs- double Napoleons. TJiere w�e,mwidJ,Soi and they appeared, as many. I mean 80 d08blei�4*l�ns^ Zangia told me-v -~3'.he'A-'�cottNEV G"ENt^At.;sm� ine House edala notredeive tJhe conversation- between Zangia'find the witness aicVideace, Zangia not havingbeen uroyed to')be 'afliagent, ' Mr.fWiLLiAMD dpatendeif in .favour of the question, and staK$'^that he cqpld. prove tbat the Witness had be^n told by Zangla,'that Jie .shoiildTeceive as tiSadh if he would make a deposition against the Queen. It was necessary to proceed step by would be impossible to jnrove-conspiracy by any other means. -. p. ' Mr. Tyndale followed bn the same side. After some observations by theLordChanceIlor,Lords Erskine, Redesdale, and Grey, Mr. Brougham rose to; speak, but it being four o'clock, the House adj��urned. FIFTEENTH OAY OF THE DjgFENCE. f HUaSDAT, oct. 19. The Hduse resumed proceedings at ten o'clock this morning. Counsel being called in. ' Thel^ORD CHANCELLOR said, that he had it in comi mand from the House to inform tliem, that the question on which the debate arose yesterday could not be put in the present stage of the proceedings. - ' Mr. Brouguam said, that there was another question, on which he wished to have their Lordships opinion, whether it should be put or not. He understood their Lordships to have decided that he could not ask the witness Meoni to tell what Zangia told Meoni had been said le him (Zangia) by Col. Brown -in short, that Zangia himself miist be called to prove the dec!*' ration of Brown to him. Earl GREY was of opinion that her Majesty's Codnsel had aright to pursue the course in which they had juJstbeen interrupted ; it was perfectly consonant with the opinion given by the Judges. Lord ERSKINE said, that the Judges in stating that there must be some introductiou of the deleace of conspiracy,, did not certainly allude to the original opening. Such a defence might not be tiiown at first; it might arise out Of the proceedings, or out of any cifcunisiances.coming newly to the knowledge of the party. And he would aj^peal to the oandoucof the Noble Earl opposite, w.hetber upon such a case newly arising, it would be right or fiir to oppose Counsel in opening what this new case was? Lord DARNLEY said, the difficulties thrown in the way of her Majesty, must have rendered it impossible for her Counsel to ascertain, at the period ol opening the^case, circumstance!) which might arise in the course ot the investigation, and that might be calculated to establish the crimes that had neyer been in the contemplation of those employed iiji the defence. He hoped that, seeing the insufficiency of the'evidence in ptoof of the case, and that so many extaraordinsfy things had arisen to throw discredit uptjn the charges, their Loirdsliips would, at no very distant day, give up the case altogether, as the only expedient bv which substantial justice could be done. 'The LORD CHANCELLOR said he had ytisterday expressed his reasons for differing from their Lordships upoii the subject of receiving evidence, which, their Lordships had thought proper to hear. It was a painful thing for him to be placed in such a situation; but he should never cease to declare^ that no slander, no calumny, should prevent him from conscientiously performing what he considered to be his duty-(Hear, hear.) -Mr. Williams said it had never been intended to prove the crime of conspiracy by ihis witness's evidence, against thttee who were concerned in the Milan Commission. The evidence he had called was to effect Zangia, and hot Col. Brown, and he was glad that their Lcrdships now understood (the question, and that no reply would be made to what had been stated. A conspiracy migbthave existed without the knowledge of the Milan Commissioners. The circumstances of theirgoing over to collect evidence, .might ha v^ excited an appetite for profit in many persons, and without, their knowledge the conspiracy m'ght have arisen upon Uiat foundation. It Ifiad been insinuated, that Zangia ought to be called by those who wished to change the conspiracy; but they already charged hiin with being a culprit, and who would all ttpon him to criminate himself? As (he case was now understood by their Lordships, he (the Learned Counsel) submitted. On every ground,' that the question ought to be admitted as evidence. ' Mr. Brougham followed on the same side. The Counsel for the defence did not seek to give evidence of the declarations of Col. Brown, or the Milan Commission. That was not the present object. He had already had something tO do with the Milan Commbsioners, and he, perhaps, might have to do with them again,'but not at present. But because they did not now seek to fix the conspiracy on CoL Brown and his coadjutors, was her Majesty's Counsel to be prevented iirom proving the conspiracy oii the part of other individuals to impede the evidence for the defence, and to increase the evidence for the BiU?-Whoever he might be, whether Brown or Zangia, or any other person who had done this, and he could prove tbat it had been done, the fact ought to be brought home to him. I am proving that Zangia made himself an active agent against the Queen, by what he had done. He says to a person he'wished to seduce, to become aVitness for the prosecution, " Swear against the Princess of Wales, and youshaU have a reward." The man says, " I cannot, I know nothing about her." Oh," cries Zangia, " what signifies that, I will take you to the gardens where she walked with bergami, to the rooms where she sat with hini, and I'll tell the dfty and the hour when they were really there; so that you have nothing to fear from exposure. So here, come along with me-take these Napoleons, choose your spot, I will prove the Princess and Betgami to have beein there, and you have only to swear that you saw it, that's all."-This, continued the Learned Cctmsel, I am prepared to prove; and it would be monstrous to suppose for a moment that, hearing this, any one of your Lordships codld lay his hand on his heart, and declare on his hononr, that such a proof would hot make the slightest difference In his mind, as to passing that Bill which was to ruin the(2ueen. The ATTORNErGEKERAt replied at some length to the arguments of her Majesty's Counsel. Mr. WilUams had,argued the question^ legally, but Mr. Brougham had given up the legal argument, and had contended, that whether legal or not, the evi. dence ought to be admitted. He contended, that, according to the rules of law and the principles of justice, the evidence could not bk admitted. Counsel were then ordered -to withdraw, aed a long debate took place, but being strenuously opposed by the Lord Chancellor, it was on his motion decided thai the question should not be put-Counsel were then called in, and the determination of the House communicated to them.- The witness .lifltonto Meoni was now callen to the Bar, and examined by .vir. Wiili^iJ. You stated yesterday, th'^t.jpoui.wehtiwUh ZangU from Venice . to Milan?-I did. X . : Didyou return with Zangia t^.'Venice.'...Yes.  How many days were you at Milan?...Two days. What is.tne distance from Milan to Venice ?...One hundred and eighty.five miles. Did you pay your ownexpences, or did anyone pay them-for you ?...! did not pay even one hundredth part of a Uvre; Zangia paid the whole. Had you any business of your own at Milan f...Ho. Had Zangia any as a stage manager or otherwise. None. - Did you see Zmgla do any thing else than ga the Oporto Oiientale and the Rue Gabello ?...He went also to loOk ui'ier^ a person of the name of Imberti, a sort of second manager of the theatre. Yoa told us, yesterday,' you saw Zangia come down itairs from Col. Brown with a number of Napoleons in his hand ?... Yes, I did. At that time did he make you any oiler ? The Attorney-General objected to the question. Mr. Williams.-It is^a question as to.a fact. The Solicitou-General.-And we object to that fact as as not .relevant. c . . Mr. brougha>t.^Am I then, to understand that the decision of your Ltftdship) is Ui apply to all other evidence that we may have ready to adduce of similar offers having been made^ to suBojcn ana bribe ? The LORD CBANCELLOR.r-Mr. Brougham, it would be infihitdy too dsring to give an answer to your question. The House can only decide upon each question as it arises. ' Mr. RitouGHAUi-We ean tender no other kind of evidence than can bring the case of conspirat^ nearer to the Milan Commission than that which your Lordships are.pleased tor^ect.- We have not Rastelli to produce, we have not R^ianti to produce; we have no means of compelling their appearance... All that we can do we are ready to do, but your Lordships seem to say, that ail we can do is df no avail. . I understdhd your Lordships to be of thatopmion, tbat the calling oh Col. Brown, die brihg^g oilt of motley from biml, and shewing that money as a. bribe received to bear evidence agaiiist her Majest/, are circum* suuv^ not sufficient to &>aa?cl the bribery with the agents of the Milan Commission. If so,l canonly say that you cut thus the (4ae of pur case; we can, situated as we are, Rastelli being withdrawn frOm us, an^-R^anti beyond our reach; produce no stronger evidence than we have tetiaered, and your Loidshipt -have rejeetad^ -If such is ttie decision your Lordships have come to; then we n^ nqt carry further the line of evidenw on which we bad entered^ I'he LOUP CHANCELLOR.-All I can say, without taking the sense of tbt; House on the siityect. Is, XtM thi qtiestioh of c^ng other witnesses must be left entirely to your own dis cretibn, and I atn atne it eknnot be lieR to any better discretion. Mf.Ba6trQHAH.-.Tbeawebavenb.faither qaestion to put to the wftne& Meoni. ^ -The AVjsr^&}r8y-G��EaAC declined any inoss examkiation. V B5riLorilvLAUOfiROALE..*When yoa saw the N^leoQS in the imi of Zingb, wero ithejr loose, la bags, or in paper ?... Heluid;�lnttdtvI*Bodalafge3)andheha8l--(Aiaiisb.) , Hadyoa any coiii�m with the tfad^ : By La4JP4a|.HLEY.rr.Dayott Jkaqw wbeUwr Zopgh was m^i^'^MftjajsKof tfaoP ... JiaTtv^^Sahadore was tfoiR^ed in* and esusined by Mr. Did he make any application to yon on the subjeist. The Al'TORNEV GtiMERAt objected 10 this question, UpOrt the groun(\, that the declaration of Sacchi, given by another person, was not admissible under such circumstances}'Sacclii not laving been proved to be an agent. Mr. Denm-a-k Saidt hisobJL'ctin asking the question was to prove.that Sacchi had assured the witness that his fortune would be madeif he^gave evidence against th^Qneen, and Of coutse to shew that the'evidtace of Sacciu-agaiD and he understood-the Counsel for the Queen acceded lo it, if he should be culled immediately ; but it appeared he was hot in attendance; so a> to be called immediately; and indeed, he understood that he was not even in town. (Yes, he was, from Lord Liverpool^.- Then he was not within call. If-he had, all the time wasted in discussion would have been'saved. Under these ciicuiustauces lie thought their Lordships should enforce this order, and not let it be a dead letter on the table. The .Earl of LIVP.RPOOL certainly understood that Sacchi might have been called, hud the Counsel required iti .As to their Lardsliipx order being enforced, he could have no objection. Indeed he thought the witnesses ought to be in snch a situation during the proceedings �s would enabteHliehi to attend instantly if required. He did not understand that the Qiieeii's Counsel did so require the atteudauce of .'i.tcchi yesterday. The Marqnis of LANSDOWN uuderstoocl Mr.Brongli-am, when he was asked, if he wished Sacchi to alteud to say " yes, now." - Altera few words fromT Lot d Lauderdale and Lord Bedfsdale, the snbject dropt, with au-itnderstandiug, that their Lordsitips order was to be enforced. Counsel were then called in, and the Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench proreedod to declare the opinion of the Judges on the questions referred to them last night by the Lord Chaucellor and Lord.Erskine, and declared their opinion that both questions should be answered in the negative; and that before a witness could be examined to the declaration of a former witness, the witness must be called back, aqd interrogated as to lliuse dectaia-tiohs. Tlie LORIi CHANCELLOR, then addressed Mr, Brougham, and said some differences of opinion existed as to the questions put to him yesterday, and his answer 10 it as to calling Sacchi; he would now ask him, did he desire to call him. Mr. Brougham .oaid, be certainly expres-ied his wish to call him yesterday, bad be betu forlhcomiHg, but he was not now disposed to call him. Lord SIDMQUTH thought it right to state to the House tbdl a messenger was sent to Sacchi's huuse yesterday, and he was coming down to attend their Lordships, when he was met by several Noble Lords, who told him the House had adjourned. The LORD CHANCELLOR, then pot it to their Lordships lo adopt the opinion lieliveied by tiie Judgeii. Lord CiK�Y would not oppose the decision of the Judges, but he considered there was still another ground un.whicb this question might be put, and that was, that Sacclii had been proved by bis acts the agenl of the Milan Commission* The Earl of LIVERPOOL could not assent to this opiuico of ilie Nolile Earl, for the.reasons formerly urged to their Lordships, be atiii continued of opinion uoageucy wa^ proved. Lord KKSKINE tliougltt the Counsel would yet be well jnsiitie'd in requesting tbeir Lordships to rei&rive this evidence^ not�ritlistaudiag the opiatun uf the Learned Judges, for whom be hHd the hig)iest respect. Their Lortlvbipi �l)ould constiler Uiey were ; not .�tdctljr � Court oC Jb)Stice� and theretiiMre..oui{bt not to consider theiuselve# strictly boinid by |lt�.ral�i.�CikCotirtor JLaw^ The No|rieSariopnosiie,liad dtclare!*.agnost ^iniof ai aCoort of Law wiienbe deeided. agaiipat proceetUngJij) impeaclimeut, iircaa�o Jtei^aid.adnlterjr* l�**t��wl^ .was BOti�fj||n� ;U;��inii��iaw: wa �^ ft, proceeding� riOw lusfihilcd agiinst her. ant Ir... of .i ddv.iulages .> He would deritiii die Mim,m- hu' ther in argiiiHeut, than to say thai he should voif i,,,.'!'^' exaiiiiiiaiioii proceeding. L'lrd UARNLEY contended, thp aijeni v ha.I!,,,,, proved On the part of Sacchi, by his o'v;i'i,,;svit, leveial pans of ht! ,, ' ceediiigS, it w^.s equally ps.scnfial lo thi-t-m's 'if jii.>tice" tiiat Ihey .should be adm-red In mi ilie oihei. IJ^. n,,,,,,.*: it �hould be relerred to the Judges lo �ay,wiu ihii a 'c, been proved or not. * '^^ Lord LANSDOWN could never coment lo iu'U .vonnl hi- ii,e cis^. jf Ihey were to refer to tlie Lcarmd 1'lisoii> tu .s.iy, wlutlicr agency had been nroved or iioi. The LORD CH.ANCELLOK said he won!,|, coii.senl of their L'M'dbhipi, iimv pni i)ic f|tifsfion to iiie House,that lliis question shonlil now lie pm io ilie witne,. Upon this their LonUhips divided, wrjen Uie iiiiiiilj^.,.j were, for Ihe question beiiii: put-51 ; ii:;.iinM ii The M irquis of L.\NSDO WN K ...ul. li foniifily g^ivp notice tout wncu Ihi-* head of ileiL-uCi- w.i. chi^ij. he s.i h ive a propo^itii ii to coinmuui, utc to then Loru.-.|ii|i>. j;^ H4>w ttiutiuht it li^hl to stale wh.i! piOini-iiiiin. i- , the rerullectioii oi'tlicir L'lnlships lliai at ili.f io iniini meiit of these proceeding?, the n, ecs..iiy oi' k;i';iii_ tli; v,,[. nesaes in Ihis couuiry was staled and agreed lo on all II would aNi) hp nJiollecteil llnl, culitr.iry in ilu- tlimii,) of tiieir Lord-hips, a most Hiaiing so much nerve, or who had been eng.;ged in so wicked a prnccediu);. The Marquis of LAN SUOWNLcoulendfd ll at the House was fully authorised on ftJr. Powell to produce iheseleilera. He was anxious lhat the truth shuuhl be gut at; and as some Noble Lords thought this mislii be doae bv a Secret Committee, he would withdraw his presenut motion, and submit another, which was ** That a Sicrei Com>mltee be appointed, toexHiniiie the correspoudeuce of Mr. Powell and Col. Bruwn. Earl GUEY contended, lhat the confidence between principal and agent would uoi be violated by the productioa of these papers. If their Lord-hips ihou-bt this inquiry ought not to be pro.ecuted then the whole of these proceedings should terminate in-LintaneoHsly, and if their Lordships acknowledged an act of injustice had been comuiitied which Ihey could not remedy, and into whicii ibcy could not inquire, be would then move the iuuucdiate lerraiualion of these proceedings. The Noble Earl concluded iiy moving as an amendment, or rather an addition to the original motion, that the Secret Commiltee have iioiver to examine Mr. Powell as tu the nuihenlicily of the coniracis made to him. The LORD CHANCELLOIl put the qaestion, as amended by Earl Grey, when the House divided- Contents........^................I2S Nun-Coutenls ....................19 Majority in favour of appuiuiiiig a Committee. .43 The following Peei-s were then appoiuted on the Committee : - The Lord President of the Council, Earl Grey, Earl of Busslyn, Lord Manners, Lord Arden, On our re-admission into Lord Ellenhoroujh, Earl of Lauderdale, Lord Eiskiue, Lord Ross, Lord Ainherot, Murquis of Lansdowne.' Ihe House, we found Afr. Bbouoham addressing their Lordships. He said, the tv.v inination of Mr. Powell had only been partially gone iutoi it might be necessary to call that gentleman again, lic (Mr. Brougham) thought that the truth of the case could not be got at without securing the pruduciion uf the whole correspoudeuce of the parties, to which, if there was noibioy wrong, there could be no objection. Lord CARNARVON thought that her Majesty's Counsel should not be excluded from examining Mr. i�owcll-ngain,^ He would now move, tbat Mr. Powell be called lo the ifar^ Lord DARNLRY did not know wiih what .-ippearance of justice their Lordships could refuse the request ot Counjeli to examine iMr. Powell at the Bar. Ke could not sutlicien.tly express his contempt at this odipuu and couieminible proceeding. The LORD CHANCELLOR put the queslion^ thojt Mr. Powell be now called to the Bur, which was negatived without a division. Mr. Brouobah.-We will now call another witness. Alexander 0/i>aWJ sworn, and examined Uy Mr, Tyudale. YoH have been in the service of the Viceroy of Italy ? -I have, as Colonel. Did yon serve in the campaia of Russia?-I did. J vtas at the battle of Leipsic. When did you return from Rn8sia?- at heir villa at Como. Who introdueed yoa to her Royal Higlmessi^-Baroa Cavaietii. Do you recoileet arer seeing ber Royal Highness at Romef-.1 do,in 1817, when;sbe' vane to. Rome and tf uiained ttoere. I Wbsn did slie leaveiT^The lieginung of liine. Did ber Royal Higbuess'give you any uivitaiiou t� ri^it it her'li9iite.)-�Manj limca. Sbe Siik lae lionfiur f*- ;