British And Indian Observer, April 11, 1824

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April 11, 1824

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British And Indian Observer (Newspaper) - April 11, 1824, London, Middlesex ISTRES8BD SETTLERS at the CAPE of GOOD H0P^.-The C0i^itte� for manafin; ^ ^^f^^ood Hope, flw reHef bf the diitreBsed settlers at � an addidonta lirt of snl----- ^ tttbntioB'of tbe Britidk Pnblie nblieto tM to mbMearMwtlyto' /bllonrloK brief MM�inMi vbicb can only.be appreeiated by thoee who bai^ been ez�ririMietsas of tbiBmelaAcboIyseeBe,�ndwbicliissmMt severely fcdti�y. those who moved in a nespectable �pbei� ia their ^ sbc lety at Cape Town his alreally exerted 4t�iiteast, aSvrtt grelieve their distrefs. and has inaiie an appeal to tbe sympar ; and benevolence of the BtlMwi^.Mkh having always been extended t(rfbr^1|oert aad cUmiuits of e�ery denomlna tidsy it is hoped vHlI noTie irittdieldft�� their DISTRBSSBD COUNTItYMEN. tabarHp, Edmund, Mr. Wm. Underwood Mr. Ferris 0|E. B. Fox, Esq. - -Major J. Y. Bradford, Q| Montague-square - 0 1 0|Saffluellfoare,'Esq.,Jun.21 C. Butler,En- " " ^ 0 R. Davidson, Esq. - 5 0 0 Hon. Edward Moncton 5 2 0 Patrick Heatly, Esq. - 5 0 0 John Hughes,Esq.  2 5 0 Bei^amin Keene, Esq. 5 HP. 10 2 2 1 5 0 l^tten'n, M'Pherson, 10 10 0 and Cu. 5 0 0 Henry Eyre, Esq. 110 Rev. Thomas Jervis -1 OH.41. Oddie.Eaq. 0 0 Sir G. Beaumont, Bart Francis Lind, Esq. 0 0 Rebert Adair, Esq. John Curties, Eeq. 0 0 Miss Curties -OOP. F. - AkkCathMinajBUh OiaC MlsftMasaa * -fi 0 qMr. Woodward Hill, b fi 2 5 fi S 10 10 too s so 2 SHAFrieiyi 2 8. 1 fi 1 0 0 SO 00 0 0 1 0 'Subeciiptions are received by the Treasurer, Win, Fry, Esq. 'St.ldlldred's-court, Poultry; by Messrs. Prys and CHapman, �m3 tfoe several Bankers in the Metropolis i by Mr. Thomas Uo-^erwaod^SS. Fleet-street. Agentto the Committee at Cape Town, Md by tbe Comauttee at the city of London Tavern, where all -comnooicatioas are to be addressed. The Reports of the Committee may be obtained gratii, on application to the Treasarer, the Secretary, or to Mr. Thomas Underwood. W. M. HARRIES, Hon. Sec. gty of London Tavern, April 9. 1824. _ A PARTNBE WANTED in a Highly Luerattre and BL. Increasinc Concern in the City, who can command Not Less than .f2000. Heooay take an active part or not, but the farmer would be preferred; and if be has any Interest in the Bast and West India Trade, or has been in the Service it would be much more Desirable and Advantageous. Respectable references will be given and required. Auply to Kir. Hewlett, Na. 7, Basing-lanei or to Mr. John Fuller, Merchant, No. 7, Pbilpot-lane, Feachureb^treet, between the hourtf of Eleven and One. /-lADETS, WHITERS, and MIDSHIPMEN to INDIA, V/ or Passengers geoenliy to any part of tbe Globe, can be fully equipped wiUi every requisite fo^ the voyage and arrival, at one day's notice, obtaining White Jean and Satteen Jackets, meClnm sites, from tis. 9d. to lOs. i ditto Waistcoats, 4s. to 6s.; ditto Trowaers, 6s. to lOs. i Drab ditto, 6s.: Drill ditto, 6s. 9d. to iSs. I White Mafaeillra Waistcoats, 6b. to lOs. i BUck Castlmere ihtto, lis. to 14s. i Black and Bine Coals, fi2s. to 68s. \ Dressing Gowns, Us. to 90s.) Travelling Cloaks, S8s. to 48s. \ when made to order, 101. per oeat extra i Cotton Shirts, Ss. to 6s.; at SILVER and CO.'S (late ArrowahiUi and Silver), Clodilers, 9, Cornhill, removed from No. S. THE ART of BOOK-KEEPING taught at No. 7, Middle-row, Holborn, by W. JENNINGS, AnUior of die only real Mercantile and Practical Treatise now extant.-Pupils are completely finished in two months for any connting-house in Great Britain, and minutely examined b; competent Judges. H, also gives Lessons in Mercantile Arithmetic scientifically, which enables his Pupils to perform every calculation in Proportion, Practice, Exchange, and Interests in accounU current, by one .tendi of the figures taken by any treatise on Arithmetic hitherto .published. Ills Pupils are also taught Euclid'a.�lemenU, Geography, the Use of uie Globes, and the most useful branciies of �ithenatbematics, witboot any additional charge.-N.B. The real Mercanltle and Practical ART of BOOK-KEEPING, sold at ri�wof 0,0001.andihbieen etha^Cnitels _____,.andaaay be Otawn oa Tteatfij^ dto SOdi^ wten iflft |h^��UUru* 2(M)Q0biia�dditioi^^�wry>Th!Mt^Ul -J X. SiVEWRlGHT, Contiactor* , �wc�sior , HOU^E pP tokOS-MoNPAy. Eerl PltmnV^am prmotted 'petitions finm Giahoiongli ^and Beecles, in the oooiM>^ of Yprk and $aft>lk, V^^Mi the dbofition of ihl�er]r.~'ieal of the ?snipr hiWB.r-JU�(| and laid on the table. Visconnt Glifden presenteiT a paction from the united parishes of Frankfort and A^bdoe, in tie eoaa^ of Kilkenny, against a compulsory clause in the tithe composition bilL-ZThe Petition was read and laid no the table. On the motkM of the eari of Livnpool the silk duties repeal bitlwent throagh a comiaittee, and was reported without any amendment. ' Tbe bishop of Chatei; presented a petition from the inbabUaato of Qiester, praying tat the abolition of sUvery.-Laid on tbe -^Theceara ,^ '. Johnson, fironi the office of chief secretary for Ireland,. pKSented returns respecting first fruiU.-Laid on tbe tafa^.-; Adjourned. t BOUSE OF COMMONS. ; ? -Pelitiona were praaanted flnoas the chamber oi teonuoaeea at Dublin againa^ tin Dublin coala bill { from Derby agMoat tbe^, srittea acTi firoaa^Lekieater againat ^e bonae ta�i.A�KAf�#-noMiaad a�aiiit aegio aia;ve^i fiNMn.Saffblk agatnat the^Mjf^ excise Ucence^i Abib eertain taanera of O^bcrland agaiMit tha hides and shSna till I fromCaaory, In tfae�eaatyof Kilke^y^n Ireland, eompUidng of the evils wbicb they stated to have arisen firom the edn^uotation bill; from Dumbarton against negro rlavery I from Penrith and from tbe joarneymenxopperaiBiths of London, agunat tbe combination laws \ from the sbopkeoM^ of Hnll againt the house duty; from the churchwardens ftfLeedt against the poor laws; from several tanners of Yorkshire against tiie bides and akina bill; firom Oswestry agaanat negro slavery; from St. Alban'a in fsvonr of the county courts' billi fron� Perth against n^ro slavery t from Rochdale, in Lancashire, against irivate breweries t from Sanderlaod against tbe comUnatiba aws i from tbe agricultural aociety of Limerick against the repeal of the linen botmties; from tbe linen dock company against tbe St. Catherine's dock biQ; from Wai minster, praying for tbe repeal of the assessed taxes; from the &senlers of Wareham against certain laws which exclude them from offices.-Ordered 16 lie on the table. Mr. Hume brought up the first report of tbe committee on artisans^-Ordered to be printed. Petitions were presented froiu several member^ of the legal pnofesaion at Montrose, praying for the repeal of the annual duty on their licenses; from the merchants of Pertn, praying for the repeal pf tbe bouae and window dntiesi, on the ground that there was a surplus revenue; from 2,500 carpenters and joiners of London against the combiuation laws; a similar petition from the tailors of Glasgow, from the weavers of MonUosf, and other places m Scotland j from various places in Westminster, Middlesex, and Surrey; from Gisborougb, against"negraslavery} from Lincolnshire against llie duty on coala.--Ordered to Ue on the table. Mr. WODEHOUSE gave notice that soon after EMter he should move for tbe revival of the old salt duty, in order that some other tax might be lakes oflf equal in amount. Ue thought it proper to observe, that he gave tbis notice in cooaeqaenee of a previous communication with several boo. members on both sides of the house, though be was fully aware that the niotk>n would meet with much opposition. Mr. Secretary Peel muved tiie order of tbe day tor the house going into a committee on tbe alien bill. Aner a few words from Lord Nugebt and Mr. Hume, the house went into a committee, in which Mr. HUMJB moved as an aniendmeot, that the words " one year," be substituted tor tbe words " two years" as tbe time for die bUl. Mr. Secretary PEEL laid, that after what had been said by hb right hon. friend the Secretary of SUte for Foreign Affairs, respecting the views of Ministers as to the duration of ^he bill, he did not expect such, a motion. Tliere was a sincere disposition on their part, to consider whether thev coidd dispense with tbe powers given by the b\U. Ue trusted, theeifiire, after whit hsdpasaed, that.tbatinB ilwniainwi.wnnidmntrpjm his motkm. After a few words from Mr. Hobheoae* Mr. Home agraeJI hot to press his amendment, which was negatived without a division. The bill was then gone tbrongb, tbe blanks were filled up, the house resumed; and the report was ordered to'be received to-morrow. The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved the order of the day for the bouse going into a Committee of Supply. The order of the day was then read; and, on the motion of Lord Palmerston, the Militia Estimates were ordered to be referred to the committee, into wbicb the bouse Immediately resolved itself. The house being in a committee. Lord PALMERSTON moved a vote for 195,lS6l. for the charge of the disembodied militia. Mr. HUME said, tbis vote took him by surprise. He did not know that it was to be brought on, nor did a gallant friend of b'ui (Col. Danes) who was absent in consequence. Lord Palmerston consented to poMpone the vote. The CHANCELLOR of tbe KXCBEailBR rose to submit to tbe bouse a motion respecting the repairs of Wiodaor Castle. It would be in the recollection of the bouse that he had, on a former occasion, stated his intention to ask tbe honse to make a grant for tbe use of bis Mqest}', towards defraying the expense to be incurred for such alterations and repairs o� Windsor Castle as were necessary to maiaUon the becoming splendour of that ancient structttec; he had also informed the bouae that it would be an important object to make purchases of some houses and small portions of land in the vicinity of the Casde, without which the objecu in view could not be accorapiiahed. He had menrioned that the whole expense of these repairs would be about three hundred thousand pounds, of which a vote for half would be proposed this Session. He should not consider it neceeary to repeat to tbe house the observations he had made on the former occauon. In order to induce the bouse t� entertain tbe desire to provide for these repairs; as those observations had already met with the concurrence of the bouae. The Castle of WiUdaor had long been the reaidence of the Munarchs of this country, and Parliament and the people had always shewn a diapuaiuon to proride the means Jbr maintaining it- He should therefore, on the present occaaion, confine himself to a statement of the mode in which the proposed alterations were to be effected. Every one who knew any thing about Windsor Caslle, were aware that the apartments were very inconvenientiy situated towards each other. There was a want of communication between them, many passages having been cut off, and whole oorUers removed. This general defect it waa proptMed to remedy. It waa also necesaary. In particular, that a oetter eommnnieation than the present should be provided between the State Apartments and those which were provided for his Mi^esty's private use. Ills present mode of eommnnieation waa hi^^ iacoavenient I and thia it waa obvioua abould be remeAed. it being moat desirable that tbe communication between bis Ma-jeat^s private apartments and those for public business should be rendered convenient, seeing that the CasUe was intended to be a pHaee of residence. It was proposed, therefore, that a part of the funds to be now supplied sboold be appropriated, in tbe first instance, towards tbe embellbbment of the state apartments. It mig^t probably also be necessary to make some aterationsin the interior of the building ; additions having, of late years, been made to it of a nature not at all referable to the age of the building, or iu convenience for reaidence in any respect. It was proposed that some of these nnsightiy additions should he removed; This building wluch was tbe least consistent it was possible to conceive with the general style of tbe castle, ran direcdy across the line of communication from the long sralk to the casde, and effectually concealed that veneraUe pile ui that quarter. It was, certainly, therefbre,,necessanr that this should be removed; and there were many other hoildings in the immediate neigfabonrhood of the casUe widch had been biult about it, and were ao many deformitiea, without removing which, they really wonid be doing nothing. There were alao houses and property at peeaent occupied to the puchase of which it wss proposed to ap|dy this giant- The saaM ofaaer-vation would apply to tbe domain of the park, wUdi waa so beset with sundiy small proprietors', that it really waa poarible Uiat die long walk itself could be turned into a street, and tiien one of the most magnificent avenues in tbe world wonid be lost; wen matters allowed to remain in the sUte diey were now in, the whole beauty of the place might be saciifioed. "nie^r-sons who were the otrners of dwse Uttle properties were ipdy to part with them for areasonaUeeompensaUon, and be tboi^t thqr could not do better than purehaae. He migbt he asked why he hadnot pr^ared a plan and estimate of the ezpeade>to beincnricdt but he pot it to tbe house wfaedier it was sq easy nndeir theclnmnwtances to finrnisb that estimate where the es-pencewoalddnM^ so much upon the uoderataUfing they might be ahlTto come to with the parties. Apfai, any altetadoa of the fattokir ought to he wcO oaaipdewd ^ , bat as the. abiftt'im before any stq> wpa taken j render it a more OMUfii beohript^tiipf If t^f'dul wrt rate 07aaq^M reader it a more OMUfiKtabte nsadenoe for hie M^^^t were Mi thecomfigrtof thatJtjiaB no.JbvD iliBOat- ohdei^^iUiv. In l^^^r Oiu inohey, he certainly sidered d^ he iaearr^ taim dsme of lespensibilitj. as to , ^e appQcation of it. (Hesr.} And he hoped he did notbak fi* ibore eobfidenee than the House waa disposed to grant in a case of '^lia kind. He wish*^ M�much {wsaoderstaindbg op this subject. He had never mewjt to,say that the commisaioa Should be' appointed by act bf PaHiainetit; and,, ind^ he could have had no reaaon for auch a proj|�Bal, nnlaaa' he wiabed to in-veat the commiaaion with greater powers than the Treunry already had, wbiofa waa not the case. They had beentoldthatsndi a commiaaion would be nnconatitotional and improper; and ao it would, if their appo^intoient took the naital respoasiUlity fnom the Executive. Bat this would not be the case; for both as members of the commissioo, sad as members of the executive, their respooaibifity would be unqoestionabie. l&Taloeofsachacnea-ndssioa wouU be, diat they wouM bettaUed through ittO:hav� tbe advice of men of competsottaate and Jafameat. Hediitet know that either himself or bia noble friend at the bead of the treasury wereexpectod to be wte^jfUU^ ej^ertitkoatteis ofJaste-Mr. Bqrke was of opiauw thai frtim dw necessity of Kisedoca-tioB, tbe head-ef tbe Britiah government aever could be dtlOed. in noatten nf taste, and tbe experience of hM session^th leier^ enee to tlie boikhngs m the immedate neii^bonrbood oC the house, certsinly did not, say moch for th�- taste of die treisUr^. Atthammetiime he mMStobserve thjrt it was very easy to eoi daip^Wethea ^cuat U ierise. sigree.^ Igfoqper fa|Ses>ko o^jtfjA- taste:} and forty ftthi ago the bewd ______________, thing in its own way, under the adadred^fgiddanoe of Bhr William Chambers, whdm be thought bad faefln much ov�r-rau d, but who maintained his groond notwithstaafiiig the severe aatire with which he was treated by Maaon the ptxt. But in 1802, when money was voted to. raiae monuments to those who had fallen in fiie defence of their country, a commission dmilar to that now contemplated was formed to recommend to the trea-sui y. the monuments deemed most suitable. This body was fen-cijfiuly designed the committee of taste > but the cbangiB for the better, which visible m the public monuments erected sioee that period, proved how beneficial their labours bad been. As to the members of tbe commission, which it waa now proposed to make subseirieat to the #ame end, the relation of a noble lord opposite (lord Cavendiab, we believe,) would be proposed aa one, and the commiasioner of the woods and forests, as well as himself, would certeinly form a part of it. But howaoercr composed, he should alwaya be ready to aay, adntm gui/eci, and anawer for any thing that was dme. The right hon. gentieman concluded by moriog^" That a sum of ldO,0001. be granted to hia majesty to deifray^he expenses of repairing Windaor caatle, and for the purchase mliuildings and hmd preparatory to the execution of projected alterations." Mr. HUME wished, to have detailed estimates, to show the exact amount of thesnm which would be wanted to complete the intended repairs, before a shilling should be voted, and moved that the resolution before the house be postponed to the 15th of May. A debate, rather heavy and uninteresting ensued, at the dose of which the..committee dirided, when the original resolotioa was carried by a majority of 123 .to &4. � The wool exportation and importation bill, and the customs on coals and linen bill, were theu read a second time without opDoaition. Upon tbe motion of Mr. Courtenay, the bonae went into a committee upon the bankrupt laars amendment UU, and several clauaea were agreed to. The cattle ill-treatment bill was read a third tune and passed. -Adjourned. HOUSE OF LORDS-TaasDAY. Sir J. Graham, Geoenii Gascoyne, and others, lurooght up from tbe Commons the Irish Four per Cento. Bill, and the CatUe better Treatment Bill, wbtcfa were read a fint time. On tbe motion of the Earl of Liverpool, tbe ulk dutiea repeal bill was read a third time and paned. Tbe Irish Board of Works bill went through a committee and was reported.-Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. , Ijord Granville Someaet presented a petition from aa individual named William Walker, against the bill for building a new theatre at Cheitrnbam.-Referred to the committee. ^r W. Lemon presented a petition from tbe town of Falmouth, in ^iBVtinr of the hlitihr the intmi mamiliiMill of small debts.- Utaontfaeubter """^mm^. Mr. Mansfield presented a potion in favour of the repeal of the combination laws, from l^ridWer.-Laid on the table. Sir J. Newport presented six petitions from the comities of Westmeath and Tipperary agaiost die tythe eompositfon act.- Laid on tbe table. Prtitions|were presented agdnst negro slarery from Dart, ford and Tonbridge, by Mr. Honeywood s from West Looe and CalUn, in tbe county of Cornwall, by Sir C. Hulae; firom Gfau-gow and New Lanark, by Lord A. Hamilton; from Fenny Stratford, by Mr. R. Smith; and from Manafield, by Lord W. Bentinck. A petition was pre.�ented against the duty on excise licenses from tbe licensed victuallers of Graveaend, by Mr. Honeywood. ~Laid na tbe table. Lord A. Hamilton presented a petition from a person named Alexander Macdonald, complaining that acta of gnevous oppression had been committed by the Magiatrates of Invernesa. Mr. Kennedy said a few words, and the notice of a motion on tbe sobjeet was fixed for Thoraday.-Tbe petition was laid on the table. ' Petitions were presented from certain ownera of property in tbe parish of Aldgate, against the Sb Catharine dork bill; from tbe tanners and others of tbe town oi Berwick, against the bides and skins' hill { from St. Leonard's, Khorediteh, prayiag  repeal of the assessed taxes; from Ely, in fiivour of the county courts bilL Mr. Estrourt gave notice that on Friday next be should more for leave to bring in a bill to amend tbe laws relating to rogues and vapboods. Upon tbe motion of the same hon. Member, returns were ordered to be made for the sums of money paid by the treasurers of the different counties last year, for tbe relief and removal of Scotch and Irish vagraote. Mr. Hmnc presented a petitiaMik�niftlwekoemak�vdri>uttdei agauat (he conibkiathM lawtt-The petition was rdfthwl to die lit to the b linr eeot Mr. Littieton presented a petition from certain common brew-en, complaining of the alterations in the beer duties.-Laid on the table. .Mr. C. Pelham postponed the notice of hia motion reUtive to the holding of Parliamenta to tbe 27tb of May. Mr. Butterworth presented a petition from an individual named Hamilton, but from tbe tone in wiiich tbe hon. Member spoke, and the petition not being read, we could only rollect that it oorapfauned generally of the allowance of pluralitiea and union of pariahea in the Iriah chnreh, and preferred some ebaeges of nukibg improper appointmentt agaust tbe Bishop of Killaloe. Mr. GOULBURN thought it proper to say a few words upon the petition. It charged the bishop of Killaloe with re-fiuing to appoiat to liringa whear'tiMcy beeMnvTaeaat, ia order that tbey adfbt be gt�ea to bia own friends.' Daring tbe blsboprick of the noble prelate, and before be was traarialed to that of Fern, be had five presentations, two wf which wve given to his o�m friends, and the others to persons most worw to fiU thmr situations. Any geaUemaa connected with Ireland knew that tbe petitioner aras apt to form basty and intemperate judgw menta, aqd he waa aare that be bad new vie#ed-1& �nb}ect through aome diatorted medium. If, however, he waa correct in what he now said of the bishop, his opinion of him was very different frum the opinion which he held in 1890. It was at that time that the bishop leas removed, and it was deemed proper to send him an address from tbe clergy of tbe diocese. Tkieaddreaa auted that he had embraced tbe few opportunities which had occurred with regard to presentationa, in promoting hia own clergy, and that bia appointmenta were alwaya auch aa to promote piety, the beat foundation of a church establiabmeot; and thia addreaa was ngned by Mr. J. Hamilton, who now preaented the petition before the bouae. Mr. C. HUTCHINSON made a few obserrattoas, mending the right hon. gentieman to tarn hia attention to the improvement of the condition of curates in Ireland. After some conversation between Mr. Goelbora, Mr.r Cal-craffc, and Mr. Butterworth, the pctitkm waa ordered to' be printed. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice of a motion for Thursday, which, webeUeve, was for leave to bring in a bill to grant compenaations to offieere iiyored by the county courts bill. Mr. WODEHOUSE moved for returns of the aamber of excise praaecations, and pf penaltiea levied during die bat aix yeara, for offiencea againat the aalt doty regidationa. Thia motwn was preparatory to another for tbe rei^valtPf tbe old aalt duty, ia order to enable hiaMigeaty'a government to aboii^ aome other tax loessing more heavily and immediately npon tbe people, the retiirns were granted, and tiie Chancellor itf theExobeqeer stated, that if die doty were revived, he trusted he should find means of ceUxinftthe penalties ari^ oiA ofOt. the Leed Advocate of Scotland preseateda petition from the kotsriesof Berwkk against die sttoraks'hiLv-^Jidcrad to he printed. Mr. Home preaented a petition froa eertahi schon|msstera' uristsnta in Great Britain, opraplunu�that auay persons who hml Imt the reqoisttB qoalificatieaa, nerriard their prqfiBHfoa to�ws relating toartisans. Mr, PHILLIPS said he had a question to Cha&eellor of the EiMeque^. ^At present a duty 01 amy baehaigcd oaeotton tanned in foreign 1 ~ wsi eh*^ on die same article imfioitad hi Brii_ Prassko'Ouvemnsent had iiieaasequeeee laid 00 a duty. He was informed the English government had oflered to remit die ezcnrdut^ an goodi imported in Pruashmivaseda, if Prussia would witbdnw her coanteraeting4|ity. .This, he un-dentaod, wss decided npon, and'thatthe respective duties were to cesse from the 2Sdi of this mondi. Such bemg the ease, tbe qneatioB he had to ask waa thia, why an order in council had not appeared oa the subject/ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEaUER staked U to he perfect true that discussions had btttt gmngon between h�s^ and Uds Government relative- to the dutiea imposed -Te-spectivdy on goods imported in foreign ships. He hadeveiy iKaeotttft^ielkJMh and indeed was pretty eoafldent, thai an ar-fange�wnt.9f *Mei nature, mentioned by the hon. gentieman had heen.^^eed.upon between the two Governments. The boa. I gentieman wished to know why an order iu council had not |jiei^,on thia aulgect. The agreement, if coneludedj had net yet. been ntifled, and till ratified, it was not usual to take that understood the agreement had been ra- Tfc^iWLMfCWhlJSir^^rRkC the iinili fSinilmasa Ibat ibe ratificatioa bad not yet taken place- Mt. WkitaMMU presented a petition front certain carpet ereaVBKS and epianers of raw wool, prayinjj^fnr a reduction of the duties on woollen yara.-Tbe petition was ordered to be printed. MA^Secretary Peel presented a petition from tbe westera district of the county of Perth, sgainst the attornies' bill.-Ordered to lie on the table. A message from the Lords annonnced their Lordships' assent to the silk duties bill without amendment. Mr. GEORGE LAMB rose for leave to bring in abill which, though not entirely a novelty, was not exactly like that which bad been formerly brought in by tbe hon. member for Galway ^r. R. MartinJ to enable persons accused of crimiaal oflienceato employ counsel to plead for them. Tbe differeiue between tbe bill brought in by the hon. memlier for Galway, and that which he wished to introdoce was tbis, tbe fon)ier bill went to appoint counsel for persons to be tried for felonies ns was done in cases of treason. Ue (Mr. G. Lamb) in bus bill, did not propose to go so far. He did not propose that counsel ahoukl be appointed, but nwrely that counsel might be hfard for a prisoner charged with a capital offence, as in tbe case of n misdemeanour or a civil action. He was aware that in proposing this he should be opposed by the long practice of the couris ; by the Attorney General, and indeed be believed, by nearly the troole of that profesUon to which he formerly had the honour to beloi^. Hia view of the subject was supported by many 1^1 opinions beginning with that of Blackstone, and he be-Hewd by those of ail learned persons. The hon. gentlenmn did not wiah to prapoae any riolent innovations which might make onr old lawyers startle in their graves; but be wishod to fill up the gap which existed between cases of misdemeanour and high treason, and to take from the subject prosecutor that pri-rilege which originally belonged to the crown alone. He quoted Lord Coke, Lord Nottingham, and various legal authorities on thia aabees; and dso the Words used by the regicide Cooke, on his defence, who had examined tbe canae of a prisoner, not being aUowed ooimaei, to be thia : that tbe facta proved against bitu ought to be so deariy proved ss to render such assistance totally nugatory, and properly to convict him so that his mouth should be stopped. He thought it most unfortunate that it had ever been held * tbe court could be counsel for tbe prisoner." This, he maintained, the court could not be. He wiabed he could Uot out the praise which had been given to the judges for noting as counsel for prisonera. in numerous ways this bad produced evil cooaeqoencea. He objjected altogether to tbe idea of considering tlw judge as coonsel for the prisoner. There had been times, and though it was not to be expected it was | ossible that such times would return again, when tbe aafeguard for houun life would be found in a Jeffirica,a Page, or an Ayscough. Ha araa aware that the gentiemen oppoaite would be likely to nay this is all very well, but what praaical evil u there now to be made dm s^yect of compi^t i He ^wouhi say that he thougb^it itoteaoiifh^bat justice should be impartially-administered, but t^( the public sbould.feel satisfied that it was so. if h^ were to (Rnhmeot on cases of modern date he should be thought to reflect on the administration of justice in this rojntry, which, hi frlespile of the defect Iwhich he wished to rt'medy. commanded as it ought to eo.uuiaad, tbe aen so eariy. Your lordships will use your pleasure and dispose of me as you think fit, -but if 1 am not allowittd the aid of counsel, 1 cannot make a defence." Those worda i/uule so much iuipreaaion ,tbat shorUy aftarwanls the ckiet manager of that impeachment. Sir W. Down, moved that bouae for leave to bring in a bill to remedy the evil then complained of,j and traitor aa Lord Lovat waa to hia king and country, it had been aaid in Uter timea that tbe proceedings against him were not irte from a touch of barbarity. Ou the trial of Lord Ferrers, the noble prisoner complained that be was reduced to the miserable necessity of trying to prove his own want of imderstanding. But be (Mr. G. Lamb) would not rely sa much on cases of real confirmed insanity, aa on those doubtful cases which did not preclude the accused from being pot on trial, but left him incapable of making a defence. He did not propose to dwell 00 the evils experienced in modern times, but if be did be should refer to the case of that raffiao in Uert* fordshire who had lately occupied the public attention, and who had not only disgraced himself, but had also made many others diagmce themselvea by the stnpid admiration which had been expreased on the aubject of bia conduct at the dose of his career. He would ask those who had watched that man from the time of his arrest to that of his trial, if they did not believe that he had been bnoyed up, not by the hope of acquittal perhaps, but by the expectation of cutting a figure by means of, tbe silly forrago which be bad got together, and thus going out of the world with etlat, furnish a set-off against the guilt of the murderer in tbe lustre wbicb would attach to the orator aad tbe man. This resulted from that mode of proceedin;? in rr mi-nal eases which he wished to correct, and wbicb Jin many cases made the eriterioo of guilt, nut tbe qnaotity of proof which might be adduced, bnt tbe degrees ef ability possessed by tbe prtener. He bad seen many casea go to a Juiy, in which bad counsel been beard he would not say tbe parties woold have been acquitted, but their conviction would have been more satisfactory te the public He had that night presented a petition from certain persons who were In the habit of serving as joron at the Old Bailey, stating the embarrassment which they sometimes fdt on account of anrh asaiataoce, aa he contended it would be ^per to give, being withheld from priaoaen who werelon trial. The aid of counael wa^ particulsrly desirable ia a case liiu that of Patch, where only cirenmstantial evidence could be brought against tbe prisoner. In such cases there was alarays a possibility that tbe priaoner might be inooceat, and it waa deairable that that posaibtUty abould be diminished as much as poaaible, by allowing counael to repel thoae usfereoces drawn on the part of the prosecation. He eoacloded by moving- ^* For leave to bring in a bill to allow persons prosecuted for fdony to defend themadvea by counsel aa ia cases of misdemeanor." Mr. NORTH had always considered the justice of this country one of ita noblest snd jnstest boasts, aad that which he woold fint pointont to tbe admiration (ff an enlightened fore'goer. T� each a person he woold pointont the goarded and cautious in which evidence was received againat tbe prisoner, and every thing excluded which could not fairly be urged. Above all he would poiUt to the temperste and impartiad condua of the indge who presided over the proceedings. He would then explain tothe Coreigner (he need not do so to the house) that in the first ihstaace the prisoner was allowed the assistance of epnosd as to matters of law, and fortber, by cuatom, now become aacred, be waa allowed by counsel to examine and croas-examine witoeases. He would refer to tbe rule that the judge wss to a certain extent connsel for the prisoner, and in anmming up, be waa boood to tell the joey, if they bad any reaaonabie doubt 00 the qneation of guilt or innocence, it was their duty to give tbe prisoner the benefit of that doubt, and be wOdU tell also that the taw required unanimity, and a vcnfiet coatd only be returned a fall consenting jury. The honorable gentieman would give the-accnsed aoraethmg n^ra. He would aUow him the aid of eonoad to plead fin- bim. He doobtcd whether tbe tioa. geatlemaa had weighed aU Che conseqaeaccs. As the law (load, it waathepraetice of the connad for the proaecntion to [te a ban naked detail of the facta to he proved. He was land^thestrangeat, obligatioas, thoae of honor and mercy, regaid f3r the e^^on of the beach and of tbe jory, to give tbe naosteohMtleH wipiiisiiitstiuu of tbe case. Were oonOsel el-lowed taJead far the dafonce. it would be their duty to atni^le with the evideace; and if th^ could convince the Jury they would endeavour to affect Uiem. The eensevMoee of We wonhi be, that a difl^rent course from diat �dw taked aonld be pursued i^ diose who conducted die prosecution, andractiini there was no excitement, nor any thing which could at s^ interfere with a candid and impartial inquiry. If thia then were thf case, ought ihojr not lu pause before they asseuted to an innovation of tlie n-tlure uow demanded In all cases where life was involved, the counsel for tbe prosecution dul uot go beyond a cool and naked statemonC of the caae; if he departed from tiiis line, it was well known that the judge interposed. Now, if this alteration were made, they would have the whole thing changed into a Contest of counsel, with the passions of both sides healed and brought int^play. The judge was at present regarded as counsel for the priaoner. Make this alteration, nnd he must become counsel against the prisoner. Upon general grounds it was probably difficult to find an answer to the arguments of the hunonrable and learned gentieman on the opposile side; but lliis was a question of a practical tendency, and one which ouf^ht to \>e- dealt with on pcacUcai grounds. The edcct of tho alteration, tar iuataoct^, wonld be important in one respect- lie meant tlie eviileat tendency it would have to the suppression of evidence. The calttag-witnesses on the part of the defendant entitled the plalntiif "T prosecutor to a leply upon tlie whole ca.

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