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   British And Indian Observer (Newspaper) - January 11, 1824, London, Middlesex                                '.A ----- - Si " No. 5. :i&''iSS>H-f '� ;'ti�     ^ J    ' v J ?ri ��dreiaiNl�iftiUac}c>AiMl loolned^fMlier p^l�^,^cUy, I1ivttcIlrJi>UofKwa, foretiuni; Tiioniaa Budc. Reginald Jenninga^ RiAarrf'FHftr, reoi*e Stiif-kir, Gharlea Fox,. John Rnaael, Thoiniita by� John Hapewell, SAmiiel PriC^ett^'liitf The iatftcfment waa then read oter. I ' with the aiiftA hiitr^ ;bf ilTHtiam Weal 24th oi Octohei' Ijjurt. ' The fii^ t^unt f trating the niiirder, by aboofiog at and \ liead of the dfeifa�e �2d John Thurteli to �ontni)t the offleheie before';the tom-mifsion thereof. ,   / ' . ' ' Jdin lliartell was also ahnilariy chai^ 'bn the corbia^r'a inquisition, and Probert and Hunt as b�^^ ihocejMoiiei befpre the fact. The prisoners hftd on ihe former day leverally pleaded *' not guilty" to the ip^^ttld be examined separately. :      '   . "   '   . Mr. Gumey opened the case. They irere liter, he,-8ai4� at-sombled for the trial of tbetwo prisoners ^at Uie after a month's delay, which the Court bnd ordered.- ly bad been obtained on the ground of the great exdtemeat of the pnblit:�< which had shortly before taken place, and had not then subsided. It was on the former occasion thought by hb Lordship that it would conduce to the more satisfactory dispensatioa of Jokieic,' to �llo�r the operation of a short dclqr to suffer paaring erehci t6 sutislde, some of which were of a awiaacboir character.' and %�p�iole of produdng a pr^udidal effiert. The jonr badtibir $ii(|n^bi(sd after the drlay Which had taken place, and pi^iWitNl to jpfoc^ tp tUstrid in that tain and temperate stsite �f jidna'^ Mable them to administer justice with perfiect safls&ctiba tothdr own minds, as well as to their country, it was of geeat importance to society that a criminal should be punished, in order that crime libouid be repressed but there was one thing of more importance, and that was, the protection of ioooceiiee. That was the great salutary principle consecrated by the laws bf'England, which was its distinguishing feature above the code of other nations i fur of little interest would it be to an;;' man to say he belonged to a country invested with every charm which could make life and property agreeable, if his person and his pro- rerty were not shielded by the powerful b&rriers of the law.- a Kngland they had happily those great aecurities. They had in the first instance the prelimhury inquiry before a magistracy (such a magistracy as no other country eu]oy(!d.) They hud next the inquiry before a grand jury; and lastly, the asdst-imce, in a Court like the present, of the highest legal Suthorities, to Itear the evidence on the one part and the other; and with the assistance of a jury composed as they were, to prondotace finally upon the guilt or innocence of the accused, it was the peculiar province of the jury to decide u^on the question of goilt or innocence ; and they were bound to foraet, if ever they had beard suteniento probably erroneous, certamly unauthentic. Above all. they were bound to come to the queation with the most dispassionate feeling. The crime with whirh the prisoners stood charfed, was, undoubtedly, one of the most enormous magnitude'; iu perpetration had been attended with no common ferocity. It was imputed to one of the parties, that he had actually committed the murder; and to the other, that he had aasisted with Vu previous counsel and concert, and co-operated in the proutoUon of the premeditated act. But in proportibn to the great enormity of the crime ought to he the strength of the proof; and he did not mean to ask of them to pranottoce a verdict of guilty, unless on such evidence aa left no rationd doobt on their minds of the fact. He rrpeated, that when they considered the nature of the case, and the violent aggravatwn with which it was attended, they were bouml to rail for very strong proof to convince them that any man was capable of so dreadful an atrbdty; for if the evidence be bad to adduce were substantiated and lie-lieved, one of the prisoners at the bar had been guilty, not only of the crime of murder in all its naked atrocity, but of the murder of a man with whom he had been liviagm habito of acqudnUBce if not of intimacy. It was said, (wheUier true or not, he knew not), that the deceased had provoked one of the priacwera, by doing him some wrong at plav} and that the other had aievcr been injured hvthe man whose death he had concerted'to aiil lahi-flicting. fheae persons, under the apedous pretences bf Mead-ship, had invited the deceaaed to accompany them apoa a ^oct country excursion I buttheyhadinvitedbimintothdrcoaipiu^fCo deprive him on the same nightDfliiBlife. it waaemphatieaUyasad^ murder was a crime to be perpetrated in darknesa. The hour of night was mostly chosen aa tite opportune time for itetaffietkm i because it was in that OMHnept of aoUtvde thougbtthat no haoMn eye could ^ee, no ear hear the struggles of the dyings darkness rendered detection more difficult. It waa therefore tha peculiar feature of crimes of this kind, that tbdr proof often depended upon circunistantial evidence, which however, was firequiintiy found to convey by its character and combination, a demoaatra* tion as CQndusive as any which could arise finou the operation of positive testimony. There was another apeciea of evidence, which was sometimes of necessity resorted to in cases of this nature-he meant the evidence of arcompliees in the crime. It was not always within the power of a prosecutor to fbr^ the videoce of an accomplice, nor even to get that spedes of tasti-iiony, without compounding in some measnre irith acknowledged nilt. Upon a very full and anxioua consideration of the whole f this case, those who conducted the prosecotion had maturely ecided upon the admission of an accomplice into thdr evidence, '"te deceased, whose murder was the aubjact of the present in-iry, wasUie late Mr. Wo. Weare-a man, it was saidi ad-' to play, as had been suggested, connected with gBmiing ^ aM)Ut. Thuc-' teU drove bff from tetsalji'a ^twcen lour anf Ex^ o'clock tp; take up a friend, as hesdd ioProb^, Vto bt; killedaakel trayened with lim," an expresaba which Piiplx^ �aid aV^ time'he believed to iiav4i,%een a piece of idle biayado.  H� - qnestcd Probert toJn^',i^WQ. Ifent ha h�,pwiigig course of thateveni&(^j;^pi with a horseof a very       ' lerTbuKl^^l is sera in t|iat gig, St. Alban's, and two or three miles beyond Blsafeei^^^ l^age of Probert's was, it would appear, dected, froda-WMe-|Mon, as the fit spM for tite perpetration of flie S^rt was himself mochenm;ed in London, and his jJ^J^^'W led at the cottage, which was a smaU one, W>*g^r,g!V pied in the accommodation of.Mrs, Probert, her^tentww byes), some children of Tbomaa Thurtett'a (tiie P**"*"?!^*''*^ -), and a maid and boy serrant. It abooM tdten place, tiiat tb deceased bad be�o4p^*yf**� urtdl. tTthia place to eidby a day ^I^^tjSSSl wouW be pivvedtivt Ow priaoaw WiMtell ipet AMg^W a biQurtl-rooin, J(ept by oae BeKwid�1iigL^*�:^'ggS ht (tittt pievipiv 10.the aawdorjv  ai�T        '"'^ cplppr.'' He. vas a sort of iron gray, with a white fisce Mi^.wiilte legs-very partkularinaikal for identity. He waS. fim seea by a patrol near Edgeware; beyond that part of the roodifie'was seen by the landlord but firpmi that time of the evening ua^ his>rri^^ at Probert's cottage qn the same night, t^ hod Pb direct en^nce to tpue him. Probert, according to ThUrtell's request, drove Hunt down iu bis gig, and having a bet^r horse, op t|ie rosld they overtook Thorteil adii Wettrtt in the gig. and pnssed th nt> 1^ nie been left behind ? pe then added, that he dope t^e bui^il^ wtithont bis assistance,, and had killed his man. At W ^iaitre, Probert returpe4 �o>nnfi Hunt to the spot, wh'en he'{frobeilJ ,5r�ii�i io Bupt for tW - nose. When they m^tj he (pld Hupi what bad happened. *'' it w^ to be done hjere," ;ii�i4!^ppt (pbtnting tb nearer more-lodge), admi|[ting Us Wi*lt7> apd.^bat he bad got out to 99riSt in the comminipn of UmI deed. ,Wben I'hnrteU rebuked Hunt for his absepccj," Whyjlsaid tbelatter) you had the tools." They were not good, replied lliiv^li the pistols were no better than pop guns. I fired at his dieek, and it glanced off-4hat Weare ran out of the mr, .cried for mercy, and offered to return the money he had rohbei'him bf-rtt|at he (Thurtdl) pursued biutvp the lane when he Jumped out of the gig.  binding the {istol unavailing, he attempted to reach hilh by cutting the pen-nife across his thrpat, and ultipiately'finished him by driv* Ing the barrel of the pistol.into, his bead, and turning it in his bnins, after he had penetrated f^e furehepd. Such waa tbe inauaer in which Thurteli 4escrJbe^ he bad disposed of the dt-eeaaed, and they would heac frbm IVpberf what be said oa .Um ocesdon. Agig was,, about Otl^tiaAe�1ii^ past Preben's cotthge. Tbe i(f)nrants expitcted tbdr master, and thought he had arrived, but he did not make his appearance.- Five minutes after that peri|^ of conceding, hia identity! for when he was hiring the (rig, ab^idmog varipoa^lKf acta connected with tiiia atrocious pr5-cv^^ing^ltkt wore W fong whiskers ;.butofrthe Moadar after Uie ^iunIeC le-boae-street by Hunt, T)ipse dreumstaaoes brought tbe case dearly home to Thortdl. Next aa to Hoat. He waa chaiged as an accomplice before the fact. It was evideat that be advised this proceeding. For what purpose, but to advise, did he proceed to the cottage? He waa a stranger to Mra. Probert and ber femily; he was aot expected at tbe cottage. There was not for him, aa there was for Thortdl, an apology for hia visit. He hired a gig, and he procured a sack-the juiv knew to what ead and purpose. Ther wonld abo bear in oiincl, that the gun, travelling-bag, and back gammon board, werefound in his lodging. These eooatitoted a part of the ploader of Mr. Weare, and ooold only be possesard by a ppraon partidpating in thia orime. Besides, there waa placed abpot tbe neck of Probert'a wife, a Chain which had belonged to Mr. Weare, and roond the neck of the murdered maa there �as found a shaai wfaleb belooged to Tliartdl, but which had been Been in the haada of Hunt. Ingir-lag this sammaiT of the case, be bad not stated every circooi-stancecponectecl with it. Hia great anxictr was, not to state that wfaidi be dhl not firmly b^ve wonU be bone oot by evi-deooe. One drrunistance be bad omitted,Vw1ueh ha Cdt it ne-cessary to lay before the jury. It waa, that a watch waa aeea in tbe poasesakm of Tbnrtdl, wUc> he woald siww bdooged to Mr. Weare. After Thnrtell was apprehended, and Hnat had sdd soowdiing on tbe Butject of tUa transaction, aa irfker naked Thnrtett what he had done widi (be watch? He answered, that, ** what be was taken into coatdity, be pat Us band behind him, aod chucked it away." ThnrteSaiso made another diadoaure. He.said, when questioned, " that otiier persona, nearthe spot, ware concerned in it, whom he forebon to mention." Aato Ibortdl, tbe evidence would, be bdiered, deariy prove bun to have been the lierpetntor of tiie morder; and withreapectto HnatiitwaseqiMUydearthathe was an aeceesary before tbe feet. Ifbowever, &e jury felt way conscientioaa doahc, the pri-aoper oiqiht certi^dy to receive the benefit oftti bat where a �aae was deattyaodpatisfactorily omde oot, they would perform fearksaly that dntf whkh they owedio heaven, and the due administration of justice. THE EVmENCE. John Becaon, a constable of tbe paridi at A^ngfaam, proved the fining of tbe body  of a pistol wfaiefa was prodneed. ,  i Wilpam Probert, �xamined by Mr. Gumqr.-i have occupied; �a pottage iniGili'a-hill Lane for about sixmontha before Octo-I her, lai^ Mgrfamily usndly consisted of Mrs. Probert,her two! siatee^ tha Mi^ Noyea, my cldldrett, mysdf, a female servant, j and* hpy*. -Mi88| Ni^fcawaS at the .cottage, but there were some children ofi l^onDaa Thartell. None of my children were there at tlrnt: tima^ i hsrs been aotinaintedanth John Thnrtell finraome time' Ha .bBs,bAen beea arith me to my cottage, and hafr been app(tipg.abopt the pbure. He knew the road to the cottage very: wdi�.,iSndr �ti(.4he roads about the neighbourhood. Gill's-bill lap^�|Q|P^Mi|N�f the high road to St. Alban's, at Radlott, abontl agasfftrfjof j|�miie. My cottage is 14 milea and a quarter ftom 'Tyliwm^tprninke. In the week when this bunnesatook j^aee, Jhibn iThprtdl lodged at Mr. Tetaall's in Cowhiit-Street. His ;hrqlhei^XhoaMS lodged there dso. I did not introduce them to; |!eta^; fl (net them tiiere. On Friday, tiie 24tii of tlctober, I ;BeMl'a�itiK Thouaa a^ Mat "Sbrnt^i^d ThaBiSs j^-dajrs prt -night; are you gtnogdown ?" .1, aBJrd� " -yes." He said. " ITien, you can drire �uiit down." I apswered, M .Ye�." He said, " I expect to meet a friend a iittia before fiver >f be aitould come, I will take him (ki^ni to rhe potti^ with'me; and if 1 have aa opportunity, I may do him, for Im is a man that baa rubbed me of several biimlreib." He .alsamdd, " 1 have told Hunt where to stop. I shall want him dMUta mile and a hdf beyond Elatree, to Vatt former" He addfidy " For fear you should not go down to tbe cottage, give .Hupt^Apound." I cii'i, in conseqaenee, give Hunt 20a. Thur-_tell said to Hunt, who had just come into the room, *' Joe, .there's a pound, if Probert do'nt come down, hire a bnrse; you know whereto atop forme." 1 do not know that Hont made juy answer. Thurteli left the Coach and Horses almost imnie-ifiptely after this cunreraation, in a horse and gig. It was a gray hprsp with a white fiice 1 bf lieve Hunt brought the gig to the ihppsie. I think that Thurteli left the Coach and Horses a little .after five o'clock. I afterwards set off in my own gig, and took Hpnt with aie.  When wc got to the middle of Oxford-street, iliiat got out of the gig at my request to purchase him a Icrfn of pprk for supper.  When we came to the end of Oxford-street, 4Iuot said, ",a'bis is the pkce where Jack is to take np somebody."  We overtook Thnrtell about four miles out of town. Hunt suddenly said, " Here they are; drive by and take no notice."   He alao aaid, " It m all right; Jack lias got him."- There were two peraons in the gig, Thnrtell and another.  I paaspd the gig, and did not speak to Thurteli or bis companioa. 1 stepped at a public-house called tiw Bdd Faced Stag, about two miles on the London side of Edgeware, at about a qoartifr to even.  When Hunt said on passmg the gig that all was right, I asked what waa the name of the person with Thurteli.   Hunt said, " Yon never saw him, and do not know his name."   i got out at the Bald Faced Stag, and had some spirits.   Hnnt Would not go in, because be bad not retorned the horse-cloth which he had borrowed of tha laodlord.   1 drove on, and overtook Hunt near Edgeware.   i took him into the gig, and we stopped at a Mr. CUrk's, (he Bed lion, at Edgeware.  We stopped about ten minntea at Mr. Clark's. We stcqiped again io Edgeware, and I bougbthalf a bushel of cora in a sack.   It was then about half-past seven.  Hunt said he wondered where Thurteli was; he thought that he could not have passed us.  We then drove on to tbe Artichoke at Elstree, and I think we got there at abont ten minutes before eight o'clock.   We were waiting for the express porpoae of seeing John TburtelL  We stopped dioat three qAir-ters of aa hour at the Artichoke.  At last we heard tbe sound of a horse and chaue, and started.   We went about a mile and a hdf, till we came to Mr. Pbillimore's lodge.   Hunt then got out of the gig, aud said, " 1 shall wait here for John Thurteli."   1 drove on through Radlet totfrardi my own cottage.   When 1 came within about 100 yarda of my cottage, Jobo Thnrtell met me; he was on foot and done.   He said, " Holla! where's Hont?"   I told him that 1 had left Hunt waiting for him near Mr. Pbillimore's lodge.  Thurteli said, " I don't want him now, for I have done the trick."   He afterwards said be had killed hia friend, that he had brought down with him, and rid the country of a villain who had robbed him of 300/. or 400/.   I said,  " Good God!   f hope you  have not killed the man I" He said, " It is ot no consequence to yon, you do not know him, and never saw him.  Do you turn back and fetch Hunt, for you know best where you left him." I took him into tbe gig, and said, " John Thurteli is at my house, and be says that he has killed his friend."   Hunt said," Thank God, I am out of it.   1 am glad he has done it without me.   I can't think where the devil be could pass us.   I never saw him on the road anywhere.   But 1 am glad 1 am out of it."   He also said, " This is the place where we were to have done it."  That was tbe place where he had got out of the chaise.   I asked him who tbe person was.   He said, " You do not know him, and 1 will not tell you hia name."   He added, " That it was a man who had rrib-bed Jack of several Imndred pounds, and be meant to have it back again."   When I came to my cottage, John Thurteli was standing nt tbe gale; we drove in, and Hunt said, "Thurteli, where could you pass me }"  Thurteli said, " It does not matter where I pMnetl you, 1 have done the trick."   Why the devil did you let f robert �tup drinking at hisd-d public-houses, when you knew what wna to be done?"   Hnnt replied, " 1 made sure that you were behind ; else we sbunld not have stopped." 1 took tbe pork into the kitehen, and gave it to the servant to cook.   I then went into the parlour, and- introduced Hnnt to Mrs. Probert   Hunt bad never been at the cottage before.   We went out together.   First we went to the stable.   John Tlianeil said, " Now I'll take you down to where he lies."   i returned to tbe house, and tuld Mrs.Probert to make ready supper. I told her we were going to NichoUs's. 1 left Hunt and Thurteli in tbe yanl.   Thnrtell took a sack and cord from his gig.   We went down the lane;  1 carried a laniera.    John Thurteli said, " I began to think Hunt would not come."   I said, " We should have been in time,   bnt we made sure you were behind."    I walked foremost.   Tbdrtell   said,   when  we were a littie further on, " It is jost by tbe second turn-mg." He.then said, " Thb is the place." He began to kick the teavea about to look for tbe pistol and knife. Neither of us conld find either of them.   We then got over the hedge.^aod found tbe body lying.  The brad was wrapped up in some son of a shawl (aomeuing like that produced.)   Thurteli began to search tbe pockets, and took out a pocket-book in which were three 51. notes, a memorandum book, and some silver.   No watSch or parse. Thnrtell said, " Thia is all he baa got.   I took the watch and purse when 1 killed him."   We put the body in tbe sack head foremost; he tied it with a cord.   It was the sack Thnrtell todt out of his g^.  I can't say if the cord was in tbe sack or separate when he took it out of hia gig.   We left tbe body in the field.   We went towards home.   Thurtdl said " When I first shot bim,lie jumped out of tbe gig, ran like tbe devil np the lane, sbgingont that he wonld deliver dl he had won of me, if 1 would only apmre hia life.  I jumped out of the gig, and ran after him.  I got him down, and began to cut bis throat, as I thonght, about the jugular vdn, bnt conld not stop bis singing out.   I then jamnMd the pisttd into his head.  I saw him turn round i thai I knew I had dene him.  Joe, you ought to have been with me, for I thooglit at one time he wonld have got the better of me. Those damned pistolaare like qiita; tbey are of no use." Hunt said, ** I sbonU hare been there, hut we thought you were oe-hind. 1 should have thought one of those pistols would have killed him dead; but.yon bad plenty of toola."  We retorned to the house, and sopped.  After sapper, Thurteli produced a gold watch, in a- very handsome doable case, I believe.   I can't answer exactly.  It had a gold chain (Hke the one produced) at-tidied to the watch. He offered to oiake Mrs. Probert a present of it. She waa aone time before ahe accepted it. Tbe waxh he retorned to bis wdatcoat-pocket with tl� seals.   1 bad one spare bed.  Miss N yes stept in it then.   Mrs. Probert asked tbem when Aeywonkl like to^go to bed, aa they eonld deep with Mr. Thomas ThnrtdFa chiUren. They add they would not go to hed� tbey were muehohl^ to Mr*. Probert, they would sleep on theso^- Hui^ sai^ two or three aongs after supper. Mrs. Probert and Miaa Noycs went to bed aboot bal^past twdve, at the ontside. Then 'llinrtdl todc oot the pocket-book, purse, and memoiandnpii-book. Ibere were some sovereigns in tbe purse. I ea'ntaay bownaai^. He gave Hnnt and mvself dx pounds a-^eetr mpogi **-Tbm'* your diare of tbe bfamt.'* There were aerenl papers in tbe podiet and memorandmn-booka; tbey were aH^bprnt; tiie pnrae waa burnt; both books were burnt; the car-fet^g was opeaed;^Tiin(tri(8aid it bdooged to tbe nam he had naidered; It coohmiedcwcnin^pparel and shooting gear; two orOreedlkhamikerdue&wereleftoatof it. Thcrr waaabsck-ggiPnion board, ifice, and earda (identifies tbem) a donUe-bar-rdled gun; I don't remember that it had a covering; it was taken out of a caae and kwkcd      Next day everything was taken away hrThurtten. After thia ThurteH prb^'spine-thingelse to me. "--..^S'i.i " � -    w*'rr..._ �.    � andWobdS.^ Mr b ^-If  '""''i?'^^'^! Woods keeps compi^jy with He said;' " I mean to have tkut^ Beaumont Mn Barber Beauibbnt is an officer of a fifC-office, , l�Bd some mUtroversy; Woods keeps compi^y with Mrs. Frj*ert'8 sister. THs" was the general conversation j Uiere nnght be more names mentioned. Tbortell said, " Joe, we must How gooUt and feteh the body; and put it in the pond." I sai<', " Vou shall not put it in the pond; it may ruin us." Thurttli said, ' ' tiirough my garden down to the pond j we pat a fe^V-rtoncs in the sack, and^Arow tiie bodv mto the pond. I doh't thrak we hud a lantern; I can't say what we had done wHh it. The feet Weft perhaps half above Uie water, Thurteli took a piece of cord and threw it rouhil' tbe 6�t; then be gave me the other end: I dragged it to the middle of the pond. Wt att three retnimed to the cottage. I found my wife up. Next momiotg 1 came down abont 9 o'clock. Thnrtell Mid while Hunt waa present, " Prt^lert^ yon must go andlook for that knife and pjjtol." Ipi^iNiilSeiHKit Fwo^.* I did so. "When I went down the lane, I saw a miirt at wprk new the spot. 1 could not search then, and returned to the house. That morning tbey went away in the gig, and tPok the things with there. On Sunday they came down again. Jolm Thurteli and Hunt were in one gig ; Thomas Thnrtell and Noyes in another. They arrived at about 12 o'clock. Hunt brought a bundle of clotlu's, a newspaper, and a spade. He said the spade whs to bur)- tbe deceaaed. Thomas Thurteli arrived first, and went up the lane to meet John Thurteli in tbe other gig. Hunt was very diriy when he got down. He asked fur a room to change himself, ih" went up stairs. When be c-ime down, he waa dnrsaed very well; be had ahnost new clothes. 1 learnt from Hunt that they belonged to tbe deceased. Hunt told me he had brought down a spade, and thrown it over the hedge inio n^y garden. I went to look, and saw it there. He snid it wa.i to bury the body. After John Thurteli arrived, 1 walked with him in the garden, and h� asked me if tbe body ro.se ? I said, no ; it would Vie there a month. In the afternoon Mr. Heward called; 1 went with him to Mr. Nicholls's. After I retnrned, 1 told Thnrtell and Hunt Bomelbing that NicholU said to me ; tlial Nicholls hod infonm-d me some one bad fired a gun off in Gill's hill-lane on Fiidi.y night, and that there were cries of " Murder," aa though some one had been killed. That 1 had asked what time, and that Nicholls said, about eight o'clock ; that 1 had said, " I suppose some of your friends wanted to frighten you. Sir." Tliurtell said, Then I'm baked." 1 said, " 1 am afraid its a bad job, for Mr. Nicholls seems to know all about it. I an very sorry it ever happened here. I'm afraid it will be my ruin." Thurteli said, '* Never inioil, Probert, they can do nothing with you." 1 said, " Tlic body must be immediately taken up from my pond, John." He said; " I'll tell you what I'll do-when they ore all gone to b�.>a, you and I'll take and bury him." I told him that would be a* bad, if tbey buried bim in the garden. Joiin Thnrtell then said, " I'll bury him where you nor no one else can find bi.ii." Huut said, Probert, tbey can do nothing with you, or me either, because neither of us was at the murder." Hunt and Thurteli sat up dl night. 1 went to bed. Noyes and Thomas Thurteli went to bed. 'ITiomas Thurteli slept with his rhildren. In the morning Jobn Tbortell and Hunt raid they were going to dig a grave for tbe body: but the dogs bnl b^en barking nil night; they thought that some one wna passing. Thurteli said, " Joe will come down to night, and take him away; that will Ik-the better for you altogether." Thomas Thurtell'and Hunt went first. My boy, Addis, went with them in one chaise; Join iliurtell, Thomas Noyes, and Miss Noyes, in the other. I hi.d no use for that boy in LoM\on. He was sent that he might not be in the way to answer any questions. John Thurteli aud Hunt came down that evening in a gig. We took unppor ; 1 think at about nine o'clock. After supper John Thnrtell and 1 wtnt lo tbe stable, leaving Hunt talking with Mrs. Probert. John Thni -tell said, " Now you and I'll go and get the body np, leave him talking with Mrs. Probert, then she'll not snspect uny thing." We went to the pood, got tbe bodyv took it oat ot the sack, and cut the clothes off. We left the body naked on the green sward, then retnrned to tbe parlour, and told Hunt that tbe horse and gig was ready; it was not so. Wc came out and went to the suble. John Thurtdl went to his gig, took out a new sack, and some cord. W'e ail three returned to the pond, put the body int4i the sack head foremost, and carried it up the garden-gate. Left Hunt waiting with the body. John Thnrtell and 1 ner.t round to the puiid. We carried the bundle nf clotbc�, and threw tbem into tbe gig. John Thurteli said, *' belter leave the clothes here, Probert; there won't be room for tbetn." We took tbe horse And chaise lower down towards the garden-gate, and put tbe body into tbe gig. Then 1 left them. 'ITiey wanted me to settle the body more in the gig. 1 would not; I returned to Mrs. Probert. I went out afterwanls to destroy the clothes. I cut tbem into pieces ; some 1 burnt; some pieces 1 tiirew about in tbe hedges. 1 did not put any into the dung heap. 1 was taken up the day after tbey left my house. Cross-examined.-I did not know that I was-to be allovred to give evidence for the Crown. The ftrst time 1 heard of it was when I was at tbe Artichoke, after Hunt bad been admitted as .i witness-of my own accord, no one promising me any thing. I dou't recollect any one applying to ine lor that purpose. VVhrn Hunt was examined, 1 spoke to Mc Kuthven. I did not espreS!� any desire then to become a witness. I did not hear the story which Hunt had told. 1 saw it in the public prints. I had takeu no pains to become a witness. I bad not seen Mrs Probert siace my apprehension. I have seen her since. 1 did not run-teuiplate any mischief to any one coming to my cottage. Hunt said so ) but I did not believe it. Mrs. Probert had conversed with rac in the night; she was much disturbed. 1 can't swear that I told her wliat had passed. I think 1 told her it was some netting John Thurteli had brought down. 1 came down on Si-turday morning between 8 and 9 o'clock. 1 went to my stable, not down the lane. I don't know that she expressed any uuea.si-ness; 1 think she might on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. 1 thought the cord and sack were in tbe kitchen. I did not know that they were iu tbe stable, tillJohn i hurtell told me. The boy di4i not tell me they were there. The boy, I should think, was gone to bed when we went to the stable. 1 hnve been in difficulties, but none such as tbis. I was charged with a felony in tbe King's Bench Prison, fur taking silver from the till of the coffee-bouse keeper. I was convicted and sentenced to hard laboor for six months. 1 never lived in Herefordshire. I was never chained with sheep-stealing, nor lamb stealing; the charge waa for buying skins, which skms were owned ufter. Except the time 1 was in Horsemonger-lane, 1 never was committed to prison. 1 was not committed by the commissioners under my bankruptcy, because I was then in custody in the King's Bench ; tbey remanded me there. 1 was examined before them at a place in Chancery-Line. Mrs. Probert examined.-I remember the night of the 24th of October, when John Thurteli, and Prob.-rt came to tbe cottage.   1 remember also, very well, bearing the sound of a gig passing tbe cottage that night.   TItiswas abont eight o'chxk or near it.   It was nearly an hour after that 1 beard tbe ringing atthebdl.   No one entered my boose immediately after th s ringing, but at about half past nine, ray husband came in.   1 bad been up stairs so-ne time ; when I came down, I found Mr. Probert, John Thurteli, and a stranger iu the parlour.   My husband introduced tbe stranger to me as Mr. Hunt.   I saw John Thurteli produce on that night a gold watch with a great deal of work about it, and then a chain.   It was such a chain as this- (the witness identified one which was shown to her.) Mr. Thurteli offered to make it a present to me.   At first I refused it, but at length be pot it round my neck.   I nfterwanis, having been taken into custody, gave it up with that littic box (pointing U> a box on the table) to the constable, in the presence of tbe .Magistrates.  John Thurteli and Hunt and my husband sat up that sight.   When Miss Noyes and 1 went up stairs,  left iu the room John Thnrtell, Hunt, and Mr. Proiert   I did not go to bed dirertly.  I afterwards came upon the stairs, and listened to what was going ou in the roopi.  1 heanl a ^jftt deal of whispering.   What .1 beard first, wna aboot trying on clothes^ I beard one say, " I think tlwt wonhl At you very well," bntYtas was all in a whisper'.   1 beard a noise like papers on tbe ^Ic ; and then someUiing like papers bein|. thrown in tbe fire. 1 dier-wards retorned to my chainbec, when 1 saw 8.)�etbjij^ ,U�o pkre oat of doors.   I saw two (;enttem�u �  froT "^j ](�"�nr to Uie stable ; tJiey took a light with tbeui. and led a h^Tse out of the stable, and opened the yard gate* to let the hon� oat.   I beard afterwards somethingapparentfy very heavy dragged from tiie Stable to tbe garden.   I couWVar tbe substance draggrag I think in the dark walk.   1 had a view of it as it was dragged out of the walk ; It seejied to be very large and very heavy.   It was in a sack.  The rusUiog 1 have mentioned was after ibis. In the wdk 1 saw them dragging the sack ; there were two persons, I codd see hdf way down the wdk ; it is quite away from the pond.   I then beard a holfow noise ; 1 can't describe it; it was like a heap of stones thrown into a pit.   When I heard tbe whispering, the first t^ing, I think, was Hnnfs voice, who �aid,    Let os lake a .5/. note encfa." lafterwards heard a mice vhicb said, ** We must say there was a hare thrown up on the ensbion of the gig, of whicb'some one made os a present coming along : we must tell the beys so in the morning."   I next beard a voice, 1 can't say whose, say in a wliisper, " We iiad better be off to town by 4 or 5 o'clock in tbe morning."  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