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Bingleys Journal (Newspaper) - May 4, 1771, London, Middlesex U N I VE R S A L From A E T T Proceedings in the H O U S E of L O R D S on the DurhamYard Embanking Concluded from our laftJ H E Lord Chancellor dien quitted he and coming for fpoke for fome time in fa vour of the bill his Lordfhip urged the the and the of the embank ment he that evi dence brought by each party cpntradifted each but all agreed that the embankment would not difadvuntage the navigation in general that it a velocity of the ftreain was it mutt necef farily remove the fandbank fo umverfally com plained of that the complaint of want of wharfs would be greatly remedied by the intended em bankment and that the Counfel for a who knew underttood thofe mat ters h d by a that 300 reet would be gained by the embankment in Irontrnore than there were when the old wharls lhat as to the Citys by what had appeared to he did not think they hid any ngnt to the foil that the Governors of the city holpitals had petitioned King Charles to make erections at ping and that the Citys Water Bailiff had de clared that he lud received compliments tor futter ing erections and piles to and it iie could not recover the or get at any he prefented them as io that the court ot Aldermen might inforce the or dcltroy them which in mat the office of Water Baijiff was to proteA and pover The his Lord ihip had been at a molt immcnfc ex pence to erect their buildings that the Parliament never interfered but where the object was plainly defigned for public good the prefent had been proved at the and appeared on the face ot the matter to be evidently for the public good to the Citys the right of tne toil and tne waitej of die river in the protected the river for the people and the de mife of the Crown the right reverted to the The city as confervators of the been petitioned for leave to and Sir Robert and fome were for the embankment it is and Sir William were againjt it but the Houfe hud every right to fup that one party were as rcfpcctable in die city the and diat the riolcnt oppofition to the bill now made did not come from the ncie city why they fhould oppofe it at he could not con diey themfelves could not and the Lord Shelburnc thinking Lord Pomfrethad mif reprefentcd what he had faid about as architects for or as architects for his Lordihip again explained his that though he believed he did not mean to bLunc for they would be madmen would not endeavour to make the moil ofuhcir Ov Some of the Lorus now called for the queftion but the DUKC of rofe and began with tint as lie had not attended any of the examinrttions at the he had not defigned either to have fpoke to the or have voted but having had the that of pay ing his refpects to the Lord and Al derman in the though indeed it was his Grace called the he there hid more of of the bill than he at firfl knew lie was firmly of opinion that a general embankment would eficntkl fervice to the but then it ftntild be a free where every pcrfon mould have a right to load and unload gratis he thought Adams were pe titioning for leave to make tho partial em at he little imagined that were etitioning for the parliament to to encroach upon the property were pet auth of othjn merely fur the cmolament of a any kind of regard to the good of the pub thcv meant to have enabled traders on the lie river or co t i n o landed their goods at their einbank any fo that either coals n would have becorae cheaper from fuch an he fhould have joined heartily for and thought parliamentary afli fiance due iir Free quays were in parts of t a commercial city their great ad Van obious but his Grace obferved when r k up and read fince he came into he amazed that any countenance fhould be given to a widi fuchaintunjuftelaufe as the faving claufe to enforce die city to frytheir rights after their rights had been given to con fine thenvto the t of Kings riot to them to go die the or the Common Pleasand then to limit them toone when every Other fubjeft might on a fuit for twenty years diefe Were fuchinatters as had never before crept into abill why then fliould fait man indulged with fueh an uncommon claufe Many people cried out indeed about die length of our but though it was at tended with fome yet no man would chufe to have his property him by a iingle triaL In the law was matters of the greateflS moment were decided diey came before the Kings and his determination was final and Maxims of arbitrary and defpotic tries would not hold good in free 3 a happinefs for us that in law all areequal we can go from court to ttll the opinionof the ableft fawyers had right therefore conceived that the legiflafure would never by their authority enable tp en croach on the propejrty of that property from them he was therefore entirely againfl the Lord rofe and fpoke for a conil derablc time for the he defired their Lordfhips to go back into the caufe and origin of the to remember that die petitioners had petitioned in the mayoralty of for leave to having purchafed the ground rent of Durhamyard and the Duke Albany fo haughtily at was obferved i r t i i L J it i e and gracious at and the Earl of that petition referred to a committee of who did not report that beforeithey had lent in a feeond tion they were prefented to the Court of Confer varicy for an encroachmeht 340 feet in lengdijand op feet in that in the mayoralty they fent another which was laid before the verywifely referred the matter to their SurveyfirJ propcrelt pcrfon to judge onfuch an who muft know and afcertain more thajj cicala gathered from the vague opiniatory fuggeliions of 20 atthe bar in favour of the Bedford dipsfeon after and fome or other fentiments ihc the city different opinions are formed refpe5t ingthe and when the archi tedts petition the parliament to pafs a enabling them to the city it they put in a claim of right to the waitesof the and that the embankment will difadvan age the navigatioii of the river that this was not c j r K enibankincht could not bar be their former opimonis evident from die cmbank what light it may his Lordfhip there fore declared himelf ftrongly for the Lord Caradcn rofe and that the noble Lord upon the woolfackhadthade a at kilt he fuppofed in that at the de mifsofthe Crown the right of the river reverted to die people on the he the right then reverted from the people to the the people protecting it for the Crown Lord Porafret rofe and apologizing for his troubling the Houfe after what had en tered into a defence of the bill his Lordfhip made ufe of nearly the fame arguments with Lord Wey and the Lord talked much of Adamss and declared that the noble Lord Lord bhelburne had indeed every rcafon to pay encomiums to their lince they had fo fufficiently proved it in the uncommon ele gance of his Lorduiips houfe he animadverted on what that had mentioned his ovn when one Judge was but tomor he they were to be favoured with the company of ail the Judge his Lordfhip was and in the courfe of his fpecch created feveral laughs having concluded his and de that wncn the bill came into a he fhould be guided by the law he the bill would be ment ac Black done a few veafs whioh the fay now found detrimental bat then they own it is ina part of the river where the flux and reflux of the tide is more and he river much narrower than it is oppofire Dur Now there are two things to be confi dered concerning the bill what will be the confequence if itpaffes be the confequence if it does not pafs The firfl great if it is what utility or public good will accrue from it it has been manifeftcd that vyharfs are much wanted in this part of the that a greater number of lighters may lay abreafl at the embankment than in the old and confcquently that an infinitely greater quantity of goods may be landed than heretofore it has been proved by a very intelligent that there are many forts of fuch as which can only be landed by the vef fels containing them being brought up clofe to the to be handed or craned imme diately on more the great complaint of the old wharfs that being frequently left the hters were often liable to many other inconveniences will now be clearly it has alfo been demonstratively an1 to part of the more lighters will and it is fclf evident that they will only require a ftronger cable and to be better fecured to the frontage of the make them lie fafe as at any river the increafedvelocity of the ttream muft alfo take away the obnoxious fand bank wijthouriodging it as witnefles have faid relating to the inconVeniency of its creating deep their fuggeflions are not to be depended upon his Lordihip ivhea the bill was brought into parliament for building a bridge at it was then declared diat fuch a bridge would water that the city of Weftminfter would be overflown and drowned at fuch a Defaguliers was defired to meafure the1 intended erecli6n and report what effect it would have in railing die water Defaguliers did a pro per calculated what rife the abut ments and piers of the bridge and re that vvhen the bridge was the fer face of the river would be raifed the fraflion of an inch it was true the prefent fcheme for the private emolument Meflrs AdamvbMt jthen that emolument could only increafe inpro portion to the convenience and public utility of die if it was found the intended ufe would be confequently dieir pro fit along with it it was in every a great public arrfihg from a private advan as to the fecond confequence if was thrown ififft natural undertakers of flie Huifdings at J be and would be allowed to thafrastl right to frontage arid iBtfrel wifli eorricious of the publicmSIty orthVir pi an rithey could not fuppofe that the Inake a formidaWeoppofiiidD ahS efpeciallyas nor could any whaffs be erefted j no Lord cSulc Id there previous takings of the was an1 tifelefs refidence of filth aid inhabitants fo tile Bifepjx of lurhaID hardly able to refoveV die ijntnial to diat njijft acknowledge tfie had fpirit enough on own a kite their d was firmly cfrimafacia appearance of the would be i5f public a at the J t jcL confideiabiy ufelulto navigation of dinye t i r t t in I do fR0 f itk linTl Kill Se and the oill trade Yeftelday at1 Court of CommonCouncil following ozdeiedfo beprefented to his Matetty by tlie Sherife ou l Ma Would reception anijome r the very air oCFraace Defpotic as is usfrom a He J ef Ifeongeffi H i infpires the who treated the Petitions of his Moft Excellent Majtfo of TIPTENS tie in Common Cohncii foithful equally teealous to maintain your Royal and to preserve our owii civil are reduced to dicncceffity of rcprefenting to your That aBiflf paficd through Hbiifes of An Act for cer r l i i C ofe and embank part of the River adjoining to and in the county of Miadlefex and is now ready to be offered to your Majefty for your Royal srovifions of Bill appearing to be of he valuable fights and property the City of Londpny rights granted by cnarters of your and enjoyed without of many ages we oppofea it in the feveral ftages of its progrels widi It is now become our duty to rejprefent to your that die foil and ground of the river Thames in part of which the prefent transfers to private perfons for their particular is the ancient property and inheritance of the City of London and that your Majefty hath been deceived by fuch your lervants as advifed your Majefty to confent to the proceeding of this upon the fuppofition that he ground in queftion is now vetted in your Ma ieftyin right of your In fupport of the title of the City of we offered proof to the confideration of fufiicient as we are iicd to fupport or t3 recover the pofTefBon of in our Majeftys Courts of to ftich queftions exclufively and in whofe judgment arc willing to We liave ever thought the legal fecuiity of the civil rights arid of the fubject the mqft hoh nourable of this happy and therefore we feel ourfelvesindifpcnfably obliged by the duty we owe to to to the pre fent to to renidnftrate againft a law like this a takes away the property of a part of your Majeftys we truft not the leaft deferring of legal and without their cpnfentand their will gives it ro others who have rior pretend to have any clajmto Such an we is without cedent in the annals of this kingdom and kij at leaft as anxious lnr i j t after which they had declared amenable to their they hadftiarnefnlly given he point at inthe face of the cnowledged him to be their there remains buibive poffible with which clie glVernriientpf this coun try runiyerfally mfefted toYave and riaftrtotion of fi6m this C6iriril6ns inaft thai your not be difnbnoufed by of enormous in the prefcnt and beyond iriiagination fatal in jto We to remind your tha form after in an ara molt propitious to the law and liberty of the RigHtspf thb Citizens of London were worthy of the pecufiarproteftion of The favourable of that time afiprded tothe rights of diii great city evcn ainpre Jrng the fitting Officer amole fecuritv than their Ae Oraers ofthe Hot ample fecurity than their Confcichis of Ardent zeal for youf Majeftys ho and of the moft affectionate epdeayours to promote we rely With confidence yourMa jettys that we fhall not now be to bur by being denyd the common right ofthe meaneft of your anaDpealtp that law every ich but ry dae hi5 We faftherr whereas this biH gves ybui fets forth clairii a rigHt to the foil of River Thames prd pofed to bfc and oji that account ihfift that the perfons for this libcrtyofenj V 1 t lff S r O f to make to usjt for t This allegation is utt A irWifofmandrepe of We itwerefiire humbly implore refufe your affent tb this whicH urousto o dNil arid ineerififtent your MajeftyVHbriouf and the lain of lif ppeareaIn Patliax luijie than on this felt aufticn iSed to heai the Lord Imyoi of Lon laws L by mere rfi oA nf o xfirf their was die act of a hotel thai tHeir daHng ftaffilnre of Raping all proftcudohVBy iftoe tit t tHeTSftirgs concurrence of the Houfe of Com of the greateft confequence in the thartney lad Jnade hiinap of rdeijtative of CSnnty it nbuie of C6iririi6ns riiuftijr difioWrdt loped might reftore good government oh humour and tranquillity on the 1 I rj that this was rather a hope in than any ian guine thar might prove1 only a temporary and partial remedy tnat tore rift the enormous influence of the fofne ftronger barriers mult be creeled indefenceofthe That forrnerly the fliprtening the duratidn gf Parnainents jrVat weight with fhat now origer a queftien of convenience Summa JJ4 rum is at flake with themoftdt iberatc arid to his iinderftarid he now declared himfelf a CONVERT TO Tuii iNiAL In the fonfth column Journal line for clajLrns ofpeerage of the Houfe of HOUSE OF MO N April tfjl THIS day the ing into thecaufesof authority of the Houfe report vJiiich was as ir YOUR Committeeiavefeiecteda fewcafesftom jmoiiginany referredto rnargm6fthk re froratRe nai re of the importance S the t hey ill or tire pf ommittee to bis more feftmcd fully thanthe margin would andare as appendix fo thJs Your Cferemittee begleate to Thafitt the havemade in h4ve netfbeehable to fiadzii iriftanca Gburf or Magiftrate Lf execung ie raers of They futtHer beg leave to That they have not that there has an inftancewherein have fufferedany CommrEtiee thaPft highly doriierhs ignity andpower of the Houfe to uthority in this
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