Dublin Journal, July 16, 1812, Page 2

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July 16, 1812

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Dublin Journal (Newspaper) - July 16, 1812, Dublin, Dublin had nd it thenartreof There notoriety itiaiear instance in which Parliament had not I w a proper elfcej the them because been inta tb the Magistrates tf the Jtf first respect to from alii irh Have a more hsd before them the the conieqoencej jb nd parttcnlarly froth stating theUwas eflanie which bad con Of trrti secret meetings of the Mproved l to have been tte keciet atthetohe of grottod die Report w fhe there had be desirable to that had powers rrotn jt necessity of had would bo As law at be exercised rejterungtheroseltes thecQBdaex the r which they such woqld their duty like a 4 that the evil bid Mi rtieir frdfctsed system to strip the f or Wltfc a more effectually to erJaob the Magistrates to those fl wttiifc invenOon to propose an alteration in the At present the required that a tion on oath should be made that were w poiited iuaoettain pUce before a search cottld be Hiisbehig he even alter the whkhhid when the whole place was stripped of a search could not be made withoot such a firrt rrgolation he shonld propote that any Ma gistrate of thetiistnrbed districts should have the power of and of authorising his officers by his to search Aottmly for stolen but for secreted thought there ouUld be no hesttadon to giving them the power of searchtng fot If they were to stop they would not go Far Matay well dis posed persons willingly give op their arms to tht safe custody of the who were afraid of being seen voluntarily to give them lest such conduct expose them to the fury of the He wished to give the Magistrates tbte power of calling OH inhabitants to reader their receipts being given for the At the same time he was for making a provision to suffer those to retain their arms who would probably have and who having would belikely to use them in defence of their proptrrtyi Persons so wishing to fretnin their and Hot satisfying the Magistrates with te spect for which they irished td tiin be ptoposed to give an abpew to a Special to be held ewy meetings had lately taken not merely in the night but in the 4 large number of persons had been seen in military exercising themselves in the use of f If ere WkitbreeHt teemtd to tome to Ltfd had might doubt to what purpose such a force wouldhrapplied when trained but he thought the would that in nto country was an army suffeied to extti not trained but raised in t hJiv fog were afrHKl to dcUcb bemselveifrom confederacy on account of the oath they had rroma the vengeance ot their saw that the of Parliament the sub aniiousvto deal leniently by yet firm 8 k s Wtbetr their decision be thouxht they would expecta Parliament would be called together under circumstances the most to take such measures at might even unpleasant as it might Bought ferable to anticipating that and calling for stronger measures appeared at pre sejit He concluded by moving For leave to Bring In KU for preserviojf tl peace in tbe ditturbed aad for fivotff power to the in those districts tat a limited tine for c ftn WHITBBBAO the Noble Lord thought it most adyiseable look only at the Vtate of the Ocntla maolhat W was not taowr sinwtery a friend 10 ieace tban Happy shotifd hi fee if that peate would remove evils which were the tablet of 6hiidf ration thia If tbebest way to setore tHe of Wiose fbt one could be cogent f to bear witfc JBat oo otbet pelletin as adteniog to caoe whith placed it in that ttate t on the he was of that the should firat Consider the then look to what the of the country at thu For own parV bf iMt it bis duty to he Wat bjno raeani catiBcd with the present node ol proceeds WbcrD hesaw the nature of evidence Uid before the his mind bfjao he did that suffering tocbitrpue with restramn he for endrtvottrwg to ttterpoei aj bar to the contmpancek and thebonbur and ehamtet of the It was ittiptiilible for him to look wilhom coftjirtted at be was with p4rt of the cOttntry at the necessity of devtatimr frolb tji eoone of The jNoble JLord had truly that the now proposed etrtf be yond the necessity of th ttor did oou thedrtposuioo of the the length of apt disliked the powers those askfd il His wife those feelings of theJiectrtity dfnttaoTdlQanr come to tbe House for tha sidoptkm with it be had therefore endeavoured in to procure the examination of netsetk he had been over though be bad n one initanve seven out of jn Another nine dbt of in favour of Lord had tp ihe Hottsej that was an in iitconntrjrtiot railed by the nor at all Hable to controoi He Called opon theNobleLord to shew on wbatground had stated swh an army to He denied positively that such wit the so far from an he would undertake to say there was nb evidence of there being a a company not even halt company of such persons as the Noble Lord bad so emphatically to exist not trained The real truth of the case was that We had a very L manufacturing brouht from thrforce of which he spoke should oF ilhe toileting power of the not able to On the part of QoveYnrnettt the inpst untetfctttrog exettions fcsM bfrWmvJe tbttVOJd coming to Parliament eitraofdlbary Very early in tjhe rogresi of the a vety large mfli tary force had been atnt down to quell tjhe disturbed It was so great that at fim It might appijar raAcient to the pt inhtbitirttr froth any hut the Wedthgs1 Wfcith taken place on the pan of of smcha thai the army of the empire coajld not afbrd protection to the Kings subjects against as the law present alto encouraged the Licutc to caQ la expensive a degree as ixht think thai species of forcQ to peculiarly adapted to tHw defence he wu happy to Uilt Value and stability of force bad beep most eminently 1 had also given the greatest f fo Voluntary aMOciationtior the tltey had betji anxiona tp im the niindt of the inhabtuntst that it by the military that the rioters could be Ufpnif by those only who had and property and a knowledge of the therefore set the inhabitants in against the had also Kmkthem the a valuable en a watch and ward in thht law at present it had been bund impracticable to enforce The UnUwftil Oaths and the Bill for punuhing taore severely tbe dcstroyet of been given to meet tbe but these of themselves were not He would now the titcwkm of the House to those evils andmaehinery the most he should conceive could it be to have in view or utofnateiv to oppose the Kings he was confident he should have the Geattemans strong support da this that such an army ought to be pfat A body of this consisting of about seven hundred had been kntfwtt to assemble on while Divine was at about one or two ofclock in the for the pirpose of training Qri such an occasion the Magistrate could only read the Riot and Order them to They do nothing till ihs end of an and thus the rioters had time to accomplish the purpose for which they were as they did not assemble to commit acts of violence in the first The Magistrate of in stating had in his overstepped They had hot set forth an imagmary ease in opinion they had made otn a clear they had fairly that with no more powers than they at present they coula not be answerable for what might He should that the Magis trates should have tbe power of immediately dis persing a tumultuous and to make those Who did not disperse when so called liable to be The Bill would fall short of the object for which it was if it only gave this power with respect to one description ot It desirable that it should extend equally to noeturnal meetings and to meetings in and it would therefore be framed so as to give tbe Magistrates power immediately to disperse all u rnuhoary wbethet they were for the purpose of training or drilling themselves in tbe Use of arms or not i and not only to give the power of dispersing such for if their power were confined to dispersing the measure might be far from being such as was necessary to prevent the accomplishment of the rioters designs he not only to give that but also to give the power of He would enable tbe Magistrates to arrest those wbo bad not dispersed hold them to bail for the and pot them on their trial at the Quarter Sessions fot a The plan of the Bill to embrace and to meet all tbe infra of the rioters as far as with to the third be had to observe that out of which dreadful state all those assemblies had The evidence before the Committee clearly and fully shewed that these unhappy men had no they had no settled nor any meant whatever of rallying sound auy standard against theGovernment of the Let the House coolly and dispassionately ask this simple did it originate f The answer was Nottingham and though it had been carried to a very great it was now well known that the place was at sent aod had for some time been perfectly quteu It was equally well that in this Very Not men have been brought to accord ing to the regular and established law of the land i that on those trials they have been and have by their their offences against the In all these eiiseck the established law of the land had been found thoroughly and perfectly adequate to all the purposes for which it was He would not agree to any part of the except the latter part of relative to the cobcurrent justification of the Magistrates in adjoining He had been there was a great depot of arms in a If it were and the Magistrates knew of there could be by tbe aod under the guidance as it now they might obtain possession of tbe He then adverted burning of West Horton and shewed that the persons who bad been guilty of that of fence had been aod paid the forfeit of their lives for having offended against the vio lated law i of their In the affair of Dean there was a very large who assembled with their faces and among them were ten Local Militia men who blacked their faces in a similar though sent there as aod to act as witnesses against those who might afterwards be up for thus assembling i and yet in this very tbe man wbo was the aad whose name was had not bis face One of these Local Militia in the effervcs cence of his it that they should go and burn the workhouse j to one of the mob resolutely and that by doing they would burn many innocent and help less persons j to which the no so we carry on the grand Here were men employed as abetting and inciting the multitude to more daring aad desperate acts studiously and cautiously They were etmwtd DT a deijtt to afford suj effectual aqd m affording that remedy they had been moderaie in their The Gentleman Wbnbread had talked of in tbe It very easy for Gentlemen at si of dis order to talk lo i not Viewing those scenet of aadiol hey could not be capable of Judging what was proper to be He jests at sears who never felt a The Magistrates were best enabled to judge of the proper course to should not have rashly concluded they were deficient in their because the laws were not adeqoate to the maintenance of the public For hia fie thought that the House meant to con ine their view of case to tbe Report on tbe table i the Gentleman had not done He Had chosen to refer to particulars which he had lathered fiat what did the Report say on the subject f Why it was therein dutinctljr stated that the could not receive formation of these disorders upon for persons were precluded from giving that information by the terror which the roiguided held The Gentleman had talked too or the Ifish Rebellion t there oertaualy were many acts happened in the suppression of that which were to be lamented on the score of huma but they were He had it from a person on whom he could who was present at those terrible and who was in Yorkshire that he never was more astonished in his life than at the similarity of the scenes then pas sing before his and those which had dis graced He supported the present because be would not go the length of those measures which were unhappily resorted to in Was it not high time to by some proper when family was armed against against parish against county air was contusion and was it not politic and wise to stop such before they arrived at the last when it might become imperative to resort lo more severe measures regard to the coorce of these be should not enter upon that but be must state his and it was an opinion founded qn that he disease is of a political He said so from his heart be was uever more sure of any thing in his and it was for this reauoa he concurred with the Gentlemen in the for the necessity cf timber He wished that the evil was owing to accidental and tempo rary and that the mis an J deluded individuals had nothing more to answer Undoubtedly there was great pres sure fell for the want of that cir cumstance had increated the discontents but it was an undeniable and clear truth that the popu lar discontents were implanted in a rank toil that they grew in that and were nunuicu to matu If the House doubted he could appeal to many Gentlemen who bad personal ance with the knew that these convents had been theriihed and fompiitro ly sedi aad mischievous cal culated to alienate the of People from the to make them muchievoas ;