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   Dublin Journal (Newspaper) - December 14, 1802, Dublin, Dublin                                wppule it when he heard Gentlemen the rclati1 e ftnte of other he thought it had policy to Inviflj now tiiofe reluutccs which we might want in time of and which totrMUiniji wontd render us inadequate in tho danger lionId be really found to With fortner Pence he they were fuch ed this country in a of the Iftgheft refpeclnbility with foregn and maintained the mod penecl fecutity tti home andlo the hiftor and experi ence of many yearn he would appeal for the truth of his If llvete was to be no fecurity for the country without equalizing our military force to that of the cale was eb ietifly raC ticnble in the nature of things j nor could any caufe of difmay he fo ftrong as the admiflion of lucli a Was there nothiig in he fi igu lurity of tfOFfituation Qur an ihtffi cienl fourceof defence He did he owned rely on it entirely but uiely we were not lnthe iituation of wilha frontier to defend that eafily approached by no fuch he looked o liulbanding tip our refources with national ojconomv Willrefpeft to the defence of this he thought lha4 at no lime fmce the civil were thfcre fo ma ny of its itihabjuinls trained to arms as al thepre fent Here then Was a to rendejj which the Deft exert Jons fhould be firft notice of war ffom France might be the appearance qf armies on our ooafts if France meditated ihe deftrucVion of this yxhat would an attnyof avail feirt ti the French fawthe fpirit of the country at large oppofed to they not be in clined toencounter fheeflbfls of thofe men in their own whofe prowefs they had fo fre quently experienced intlefeats at fea whofe va lour had fo recently triumphed over in This jrfannd on which he placed he ftrmigeft rcliafhce for Stt EYRE VOOTE declared his moft hearty turence in tirtf proportions of the Secretary a X flary to put the country in a liluation iifj Lor v faid it jmpoflible for p with the principle on which h6 acl to oppofe Oie propiifitiun of this night con ie of the of of that or mat for he fubjug Alt he by any of damp the fpirit of his counfryi or any little energies which he Taw rifing in of Majeftys But at the fame he muff condemn the uovelnof proceeding in whereby the Right Gentleman calls upon the Houfe for a fupply Ip unufualj without explaining an ioia ol the neceffily on which it w The fame conduct was ob aformer when the Army Ettimates fnoxicd by another On rrirc the Houfe wfli thiit to be maintained if ppdJble thatwe to be prepaied for the rloufc was left in the I o form its ownccinjedoresj nor coultl it now tell whe tiifr it was xraHed en this a Peace or a The N0ble Lord then pro to a of circumffances re peel ing the of troops both at home and abro 4inder which warranted the moft June were were then thofe con to ntcn w ere ariw to Ihe under the Tfe j Low came after all thefe places naa our garrifon hrotight that IL Uia uu w be called on to vote lo great a not ha ing thofe defend He knew he probrtbl be told by a and Learned oppofife to him AUorneyGene that from and thofe with whom lieafl ftfong oppofition fpeeches led to rnarvellous He admitted the and for very good that though they approved the men they dilapproved the men He jvifhed thoff men out of the in their his own he did not hefitate to that he ihe the continuance of War would have been beujr than the which had been tonoluded and that if if AumlU now be found nec ffary to renew that there was one perfon to whom Ihtj in granting would allo give for tbe application of that in a maniter conlittent wilh tbe honour and inte refls of the He concluded by voting lor the but not in ftrvy toniidence to bis But General WAlTJLAND was far from depreeiat tlie ojimions of thofe Gentlemen who argued tor low Peace but before he ad jnitUd the generality of the he muft examine foundation of He dtftered in toto from who argued that low Eltnrblilnments were xhe policy qf our upon any other him that of their wifti to preferve vsliHt wan caflcd the Halance of Power in In woting tfie Supply of this thofe of would1 perceive the Houfe exucify treading in the Heps of our ancefiors however jealous they were of arming ihe Croun with a larger military in time of always prompt to grant it whenever Jie ptililick required A Noble Lord had wrnigneil Mmillers this night for calling on the Houfe to vole an extruorcltnnry with explaining an iota of the caulcs which ren dered it But if notoriety of the ol Europe was not fu flic ient to evince foe necellity that foice lo the Noble no power could adduce reafom to jfaliU v fulo a detail of Ihe meluncholy fitu 6 he would not rance inab pou and of her an principle of aflion bv vvhicU it for he i from from lo France anil when it was that the on ly which franco had received any efteclual check in her late was England it not ubvious that at I her jealoufy would be routed againll this Country il France had the it was the duty of this Houfe to take care flu fliould not polTefs ihe means to deftroy this With rclpecl 10 the Efhiblilhment propoled this he agreed with the Right at that in its numbers con lifted the mailed part of its ttrength to the and which aftuat cd the wat to be iuperadded that of the and the uniyerfal ardour and feeling of ihe Country for wiihoiu would avail the of both Army and With relpecl to the Peace which hud con ii there was any man in the who fliould feel obliged than it was the Right Genlleraan on the Wind who had been Ihe moll lirenuous to arraign Had the Warcontinued the Table of he HouJe would have been covered with Petitions for thai very when the pirils of the Houfe would have been perhaps beyond the power of rallying but by the the Ipirit ot the coujitry wat revived having bad an interval to refled ou its was united for the common Having ftated his he had no hefitalion in giving his kearty port to his Mnjeftys General TARLETON he was greatly fur prized at hearing what had fallen the Noble Lord who had lately For his pan he joiced moft fincercly at the termination of the war and hoped and trufted that Miniflerg would not be agajin driven to take up arms from the refllefs and domineering fpirit of He thought tKe eftimates propofed to bevoied extremely for the kcurity of the He expreffed him elf free ffom any as from the able of our fleets and he doubted not we fhoujd at all times br able to meet our ene mies with MrARCHDALK and few words favour of WHiTBREAD agreed with the Gen tleman that the keeping up fo large an eftablifhment as the one now was ai The chief ground of his ob jeVtion to the prefent Eflimates arofe from that they appeared t6 him to be on an infinitely more than the relative fituation Qi affairsbetween the two countries by any means The Navy E Mi ma res were confvderably larger than was originally intended j the Right Gentleman ftatea that men would be a fufficiem and then aftenvards he comas forwar 1 and demands mem He was not iovtheIftqufe when the vote or he Ihould have yven his reafbns for difapprov ing of did not totally obiecl to the but he thought ihe flinuld nave been vefted in the and not in the They had nor Rated whether the vote was to be limited to the period of pnt or whether it was to be CPU fidered the permaneot Peace Efiab If the Eftablifhment of France as looked to with at it would be found that it by any means than under the old Government o I the Whatever might be tbe ambition of the Firlt there did he would undertake to exiii one perfon who thought it fuperior to that dilplaycd by his predr ceffbrs in The Houie ot Bourbon was en gaged in uninterrupted or manifeft at to injure the niteeftsot this He therefore ftrenuouily oppofed the vieivs and at tempts of he wit ho t any folid exerted every and tried every 10 raife the fpirit of and throw the nQtjon into trouuble and He viewed the late Peace with the higheft and fmall Military and Naval EHablifliment would anlVer every end of external independence and in tt rnal The men who had reduced the country to a calamitous he fi nee rely truHeoV would not be again called into power but he to that there were whofe virtues if called into would give new to trte refources and fpirit of the and he moft fatisfaclory to the n he relations of peace and SHERIDAN aJdrefled the Houfe to the fol lowing I do not precilely agree with any of thofe Gentlemen who have hitherto ex prefied their opinion of the fituation of the The crifii in whkh vve are placed in to big with tremendous fo preg nant with mighty fo fuli of apprehen fions and of that the and the coun have a Mght to know what the intentions and the views of thofe are by whofe exertions we may expect JD be extricated from this complication of and InaUhed from the of Influenced by this a fpecl of thecoumry looks for it is noi Admlniftra tion alone that is on Ibr this declaration of their but alto every Meroberof this is equally bound to deliver bis and to fuggeli the means by which the country can be preferred from the perfls which threaten Thus affecled in my 1 have np heliiation to that I do fincerely regrei fuch cqnflant al 1 be made to the characier and talents of the Genrlemen who at this moment fill the fitu ution of His Majeftys Ajthough I ad in the higheft he talents of many to whom i am in and in per moft ftrongly yet I feel it my duty to withhold myfelf from imiiating the example fet by in a crifis fo pregnant with entertain themfclves with allufions to a par ticular roan or to any particular fet of men for if ever there was n moment when fhould to the to and the that they by no party biafled by no political actuated by no paltry r for in a by no the prefent furely is material marnetttf it has been that the con duel of wiih refped to ought not to be confiderdd as an acTofaigreffioft agalnfl this country t artd it hat Breen boldly that we hate on the part of the French but her increafe of power and her lefsfpiritof But attow me is not this a uftTcientiCaufe for alarm It ii not p juft and fblidl ground far apprehenfion F Is not her increafe of power a circumnance which we fhould view With the greateft diftrufti with the moft wake ful with the moft attentive Vigilance j more particularly when we cannot help that it it followed up by a proportionate augmen of a difpofition to irritate our national feel and to find out new and fruitful fourceg of annoyance Yet ir may not be altogether thequef tion fur us precifcly to whether the power of France be greater than it was in the month of June It is rather fpr us to inquire and if whether the temper and the difpofition evinced by the Chief be the fame as we thn remarked andwhether they do not manifeft a fuperior degree of ambition and than on any previous In my conducl towards Switzerland atone betrays fuch unequivocal demonftrations of and fo glartng a luft of that I feel no Difficulty in fay it effecia a confidcrable change in the relative lituaiion in which the two countries were at the moment referred 1 am defirous of indulging in the language of inveclive for my great with to appeal to the irrefiftible evidence of Let make a few remarks on the general qtieftton of Peace or I not prefume much when I that I am as ftrongly earneft the mainte nance of Peace as any man and I will no man is more convinced than that war is no rtmedyjor th evils we to A fpirit of warf indignation of may no doubt be kindled In the btsarfl of this country agarnft the baft and treatment of the un fortunate Swifs but while that and that muft be considered asa valuable of the noble and honourable feelings of the yet arewe to confider as a caufe of the cir eumftancesby which they are excited M muft then if nothing has happened Once the conclufion f the ot that can prove a ficient juftification for the alternative of that Peace if be maintained firm and in all its The War in every but however deplorable they may and felicitous as we Our felves fhodld be for the prefervation of yet we fhould be fortified to meet by wife and ex renfive and by ready and reColute re the firft a5t of infiilt or aggreffion that may be ofiered on the part of If that act fhould take why 1st us witlnevery juft fenVimenr of national and of how ever ferious hon ever alarming the confequences may Upon this I lhall give my vote for a large Peace Ettabliflimenr and I do it that IVhiiflers may be enabled to place the Country in a fituatin adequate in vigour and ref t to any danger with which it rray b It my that my Coniihuents the fhould know my frntiments fur I am particularly that when I accede tug rrteafure to add o their thej fhould be well informed of the giounds upn Inch t give my I that it is not enough for as to have the mere appearanceof fecurity for Cannot the French at all afcertain the Hate of actual preparation in which we may be Our fitu ation is very different from that of Franc and the difference arifes from the nature of our Con The number of men voted by this Houfo is a fubjecl of public notoriety j an1 if hone are the Government of France muft know we can have no army the appearance of fecurity can of courfe be of no But it is faid that Buona parte is not defirous to hazard any attempt againft he has every thing to lofe and nothing to gain and it is that as the French have felt the force ofour they will nor wantonly attach Is it poffible that we can be fuch ft ran gersto the workings of mortified efpecially n the bolbm of a man like as to think that hewill not rifle every thing to gratify his re more particularly ashis aggranoifement muft fupply him with new and copious means for accornpKlhing that end The motives that urge him are certainly more imperious than thofe which actuated the Bourbons to engage in bold and daring and constantly to afpire at uni verfal They were not compelled to em ploy the fame means for the prefervatton of their The prejudices entertained for anaienr and j illuftrious anCeftry coopemied in their of the C lony he f bttt tlfe rU i feiftt and fortifies for the purpofe of aimying H4 well fcnowl that our hearis it is the louJ of and OUiin engine of our faftry and M takes every to becaufe he hopes by drying up ihe fprlng of all oor wf be comptllfd to yield without flriking His education jfrxally dif qualifies him for the grave and trade To our credit our caBttJil and ftiay with hufo Ihorteh deftruclion of this country t he foukf pbri them into France jhtf would do as he conveyed buftiand marbles from Cornmerte is 1410 too tiedious a mode of him to afe quire and h wants to obtainft 6y Be in tfar Volume of his z Kwht note Cafhiering the King of Etruria 4 Jt Ihe wHole of the text runs upon thedeflrudrioB of fiis it is the firft wifiort that falutfs hit dye dawning is objecl of his evening prayer any he 16 or to the of or to Goddefa of Sheridan then noticed thvatfacfe upon begun by Ee divided thofe who two to gpt into for the declared purpofe of the idea thai war would be advantageous novv than hereafter and thofe who hajdt unluckifjr Cd fefTed thatthey hadanitchingfor the places of tr admitted that thev would tJ alter their fyflemi Few felf that indignation atthe peace atr firft jie entirely tide of the Kings evideMW brought forward They t gentlemen could not whok probably could not endure the cut This capricious diflike miglfe bewen ex emplified by the frotiments wtprftfTed hioi Martinis They found in the fentiments infpired by loyalty and attachment for the hereditary of a great a fteady and powerful upportf but there is with Buonaparte a kind of phyfical necef fity for carrying on bis projects of comjuett and I whila he ran perfoade the French that he aims at making them the mafters of the he relies on thsir proflrating themfclves before him as his The race of conqueft and which he feels the neceffity of he knows muft be purfued ifh unabating There is not a quarter uf the world to which he now looks but to where he can find any thing worthy of his Ruflia is his tool Pruflia his vatfitl Turkey is in his Spain is at his Hol land is onder his and Portugal crouches i beneaih his When I bpth the flate of and the fpirit by which the ruler of France is can I hefitAte to fjeak my and to give a vote that may tend to the protection of the by preventing them from being converted into reality With re fpecl to its encouragement I clearly fee forms no part of The pofitions which he indicate Very different I can per ceive in them no intention ot commercial improve ment j they are aU aimed at bur In the poifeffion whfch he takes of we fee proofs of his The interior Hoc tantum poflum aroo But it might be more an oldj or Ido oat like The I cannot felt But this Im I know full well 1 do not like Dodtor Fell He then adverted to the in the Baltick ancft Egypt and contended that the of both objexfls was by no means enfured by late Much had been faid about Right Gentleman who alone thought qualified and able to fave iheCountry but tbe Houfe and the Country woulti like to know what that Right OJemleman now thinks of chfrprtfent Admtniftrarion Woulti He the perfon appointed by his n authority Would he retrad tHat panegyVtc hedellvered on ihe talents and integrity of the prefent Chancellor of the Sheridan concludeda fpeech equally diftiogutflied for folidity of brilliancy of and of with exprefling his anxious fiom looking ar the ajflual fituation of and the conducl of her every Briton would turn back to con template the Conftittitibn of his own and that all fhould unite in its CANNING had no hefitatton in that he wiflied to fee his Right was now in office He then look occauon to cenfure Hie conduCTof the in a very reocni hack fuffercd an indignity to fall upon this In the cafe of Switzerland they had dieir interference was not Whatever meafures might be there was one man whom the counlry ftooil in need of whole en trance into office again was loudly called for and though he was now in and moved the fatigue of public nt ver be able o withdraw1 himlelf from the ap plaufe and gratitude of the people of fupported the at prefent adopted by his Majcflys and declHred himfelf entering into conlinentnl in a Ipeeclv which lartedupwards of two difpUyed his accultomed powers of and many ol thofe brilliant trails peculiarly characlerile bis ttile of To enter minutely into a Ipeeclv delivered at fo late an and which arrefled the attention of evt ry of tlie would be altogether fiblc we obliged o confine our to ot his principal If any infuuiations be meant faid Fox for ihe conduct I pur Cuton Ihe prefent occafior I wifh thvfe who making them would fpeak D they conceive that 1 am influenced halrtd againlt own coun of that I am bribed its and The France not this the proaih ufed iu every the grounds ol which are all difputed As to the queftion of the eflablifh mentof the it may be whether a Imall or a gieat army be belt fuited to the de fence of the 1 find argued LI for mally alliances fuperfeded the ntcelfily f having no we flioula have a large t believe ihe in former times to have been Jt was becaule we had connections with the t and not for our own that frunding armies were propoled and Ihisthe Rivitmble every Mutiny Bill fmce King Williams It would have excited the piide and in dignation of our if bad 9 thai a Urge Handing urmy was neccfliry tor ine internal it was per account ot our Continental thai a Handing Not thinking the policy of our in regard to continental dilapprove et a ftaruii g an dtlapp ied certainly of great that the eftabUlbmenls of Tr   

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