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Dublin Journal (Newspaper) - June 19, 1802, Dublin, Dublin IM liOUSE OF JUNE The rcfMved itfelf into a Committee of Supply agon Itll CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved an annuity of to Lord Mut Jnt to commence from VANSITTART ftated the neccffity of giving more encouragement to our in confcquence of the tPujfh therefore that the 4utfct fmpoftd in the prefent Seffionupon the Importation of train and flfh fhould ceafe which being Agreed he moved that the following dutio be fubQitutcd iu lieu thereof a duty of upon every ton cnttintftg 150 Imported into and I upon every ten of Cfh the fame quality Afjrted and to be reported on ThcRcportof the Committee on the Hookfcllen Ptriticn brought two agreed to one for reducing the prefent duty of on Paper of the ift claft to and the other for reducing the duty of on Paper bf the jd clafs to After fotne routine tie Hottfe adjourned to JUNE inrttt POSTER1 rofc in lonfcqnencc of a notice he had on a former to make a motion relative to the Orders iflued from the Office In May That iffited on the t9h be that thoXe who engaged to ferve ia the Militia were by it fully difcbargid fc 01 that But by the Militia jt appeared that neither the nor the Goverulftent the power to iffae fuck Thofe tnen who wert provided by County for the wore the property of that which could apt be le Jally rnrrpigVd By thin prcfent n there no authority to Wue the Civil Magiftrate would bcrtrjaced ia a very difficult A great rthe Militrameo in copfequence of the be tempted to enter into the Line t Militia wcrecalled out to their an the Cotcnty to which thofe who tad en to reclaim the how wit td tclf Hf wojpld certtiniy find him JcJf compelled b duty to deliver them up to the niMr tenHlor which the Militia of Ireland had been en to four as appeared t by the aad thJt period was thefe could nqt br 1 llijltt ju That an humble tQjhit humbly refuelling that he pteafed to order that there be laid be t Copy at die iflued from the Ad CepujiVf Office on the ioth of May and alfo I Copy of the qrcjilar Letter of the tftbof alluded exnteBjca at throwfcKJoton the flibjeA of the prefent the order mured for one of ever been It waito be BOglifh and Irirh railed JBttgfand they were paifcd by wheneasitt the Militia werecnlifted fame manner the of the Iine in England In toe Aft rjOTtlKene wat enirefs claufc to autho rise tht tuning of rnajey for enjiffiag fhe Irifh Militia ihc tempf muft SJcptiul into which they entered upon Jfbtfihad been f two kioot as the firft Ocrcd fo enKfted in the IHfti their Jftrvicet tttr fear in ttfe robin of ludbcen fubfliMted the condition of for feur or tilt the A jreat ten inlifted under theiaft oarbj and all believed that the eohcluuffa tfTtKo i of their to be the ThongJT by the yet jrcfpea wat to teht4fo general wjiicfc wai htld by the that is they were enlfftccf Ih the fame manner they were alfo fubjecta to tbefame tondi CDlitled difchnrged k m the JtXccut Ve was jf the tho It did not appear that any mejtlBJx thaftthtt adopted could have been puf as the Militia had tatotn the would mt Qtberwife ioppofe that ftriQ juftJtc been done that he by no intended If any opftontibo to the prefent motion j heonrr required on thefubjoft tbisday and that tomorrow he fliould ne tlirestted tofay otficiaUy before the Houfe papvn Shkhibtdkeen amoved On this account he fhould no djlcuffion on them at He fhould that the ordeu Amplaioed of had not been allied nature and without confolt logthe highctt tutborities with rcgatd to thofe in fclwt He would therefore conclude with fubmit t ing 10 the Right MuvcX if U would not be M de Uiat the lioultl be produced jn the manner Jhe intended to bring forward to Called Mihifteifetn flicw how fuh were provided for thbfe difcbargrd in con of the prefent without thrwwjng the burthen on LfilOH it provided by the that where the Counties gave money inftead of providing tbey were thenceforth exonerated from lwiy ftinbrr charge nndcr fame The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER it no wonder mucTreontufion had arifcn ia Ireland to the an inftituiion fo recent in that It was only riirojduced in and the Aft then palfcd had been franict little that been Aun4 neceflary topaftTucceffivcly no left thairff AiUi to aijnind andexplain Thefe various provided a variety of from which the tu be knade tipt and JifFereni otlht to be taken by fhc ditTcreHt defcriprioOs to be It appear that Oovcinment had taken the very bcft to obviate the coufuCdn arifing from rated A in complying with the rmpreJnott univer iilly by tlu4e fervingin that they entitled to their diubwge on the concluJion A different would have appeared like taking an undue advantage of and of a chicane unuorthy of The prcicnt mo in bis at the papers tilled for were to be laid before the Houfe tomorrow by a Mcf horn his at the fame he itJiat his Friend intended to make two one to explain the Militia and the other to indem nify the Countries for tKujTc discharged by the Orders in Colonel BAOWJSLL that in the Regiment which he had tue honour Ib almoft every man had been cnliftcd to war and two months af ter indeed the difticujty of Recruiting em ployed in fervice lliog to Cnlift any condiuuni they The of tuc EXCHEQUER that the called cortaiuly be laid before them thuugh different FOSTKR it he defircd to havei at to the formof prcfcnung them he wai he tbjcrvforcno objection to bis or CClRRY rofc and he fliottH ferlc to the Committee the details refpecting the Finances of which he fhould be very hippy to explain to any Gentleman who wifhed for There in the firft fome fmall fumt which mart be plattd to die account of the of laft but which were to be provided for in There for tht flint inflal meni of the CompenCMiont Treafwry Bills Loyalifta Fund Lottery Prizage two thouland pounds amounting1 altogctltcr to He fhould now ftate the which apper tained to the of the prcfent in the firft place thofe which belonged folely to Ireland and4 ip the thofe which were borne ny Ireland jointly with Great Of the charges defrayed fotely by Ireland the firft wat the intereft aod of the National and of the Sinking whole to The were all made in trifh aod he fhottld for greater nuke ufe of that mediwn in dating the The new article two of titt Compcnfatiomr wnoaming to JJ The next foni toe Inland un der an ait of the Irith amounting to The out fan was on account of the IrHh libttcry it had been ufual to pay the prim of each Irifh Lottery in the fuccceding and tJu due for prices in the Lottery of the Cum of The next two items wexe of each for IVeafury He ftated them here becaufe Coveredby the and and were intended to bat the debt would not be at it wcttld only an unfunded for wwlft the interest they were chargtd would not lie eaicd J he amount the fenarate charges of Ireland amounted to The joint charge borne together with Great confined of PenRmw Civil lift PtrfeUncrit Oraats t MffccUaacout IMblic Ci vU Contingencies 4ti 661 Mi litary Services gfL Ordnance tonakegoodCOfltritutioni It was to bcobicrytd that the Military Fxpenre Ulg to Ireland alone were eonudcrably tht Military of other o Empire was not dimtqifhed in Irtl ia ctiofequrnce to contribute a larger faro as her proportion towards the Military United than fh would nave ftcfn gay iv for her Military crofed ton to mike good Cuni i Ot tf eland amounted to the whole charge ojUrcland It now remained for him ftrtt the were in the Exchequer part of the Englifh Loan for the ferv Jrifli ird The Lottery hud this year bteiv a joint corn the two and if the remitrwd on the part of thlt to pay the amount of the frtiaea Of the The tern WM a fum of been remitted on the part of Great had been seduced by various icabferto fum WM arifihg from the if Ire The whole of the Wtyi and lo from deduaJng the aljroliu ff and left of Me to detain tlie but he wifhed particularly fo ftate why he took crrdit for the produce of tkofe which laft year only produced i In of the of the woild recollect that he fpealfnjof a cou haatheefl rcerocly violently agitated tli of rebellion apd ytfitcd by afeArcity atihoft ap to a U moQ neceftrily rtoffnTtf would operate to aflbfk that ctttHd not he carifidered rorprifm Veooe 4od violent tiotintfeefources particularly their attrfriofc a of the Irifh Revertue had WICK HAM tomorrow he fhould move mcafure to ivptain the Vcveral IMilltia of Iclin4 alfoto indemnify tire far fuch of had hccu UifcLargol by the order of Go m By the the importation of fore been and thofrdories average of ive yeara to the 15 ilr of Maroh rfft prpduttd ia the year to fee how the amonot of thefr duties fjood in he had calictLiox jti atemint of their prodjice for five mohBlis ct fhe ajth of which be f Ut did not wifh to appear f and he thercfbre take t thefe duties at that Aim of which a wasaehtellyin the any further duties thatmight arifc in thefeveir the year yet to to balance any dra The t duee of tfie duty on the laft the produce of the laftyear to be deducted the eftimatcd fum of leaving a of of the1 duty during the laft five was He would take the produce therefore at a ThUcaT eulation appear the more moderate wfien it leolcd that rhc arrival of the WeJllndia Fteet aflbrdi paation of further importation of both tRe of Sugar and Spirits tht third the duty in the five preceding 1 when the importation of f reach wine not yet amounted to the fum of two hundred and thcufand laft year wan and for the laft five he would ulu ihc eflimaied produce at an on the article of The Malt IJuty of Ireland it dilScult to there being duty paid upon Beer the of had not thai in fpciilion of the Brewery neccflUry for afeertainrng the ijuvuuityof mall confuted The proportion which mail confurned in the brewery bore to that in the was heretofore about onehalf btn the brewery may be fairly eftimated to have coniiderafaly in ereafcd finct the time that calculation was made the whole he would efiinvate the product Of Malt Duty at With to the fifth average confumption had been gallons on an average of year 1798 and the lateft period prior to tlkt fufptufion of the diftillery on which the iiuaotity of that paid dtity ouW be that quantity at the preftnt rate of duty would give a fum of Several regulations had been made ia the year by one of which the Diftiflcrici were to Hz inftcad of which it might be tftimstcd would incrcafe the Revenue to but contributed to lower this to and thclc were not yet and fome of them might be he would take qtf from which would reduce it to 7 He trufted it could not be thought he had been too guine in ihcfc und that all would concur that they were founded upon fair It to be with the Revenues of that the new dutici created iu the year had operated only for fix and that there a wellgrounded ex pectation that thofe wuuld produce much more than they did in the laft at ihcy would in this give the produce of twelve It was alfo to be that many bad been made in the of Revenue in from which much had and much was to be the he had made he borne out by the experience of one material which that the produce of the for the laft had exceeded that of the correfpoftdicig five in the laft year by Ha trufted chat he juftificd in taking credit for an increafc of Revenue for the whole at If the Produce fhould not equal the he he fliould be able to account for if In afltthr bting held rcfponfifale for the precife amount at prefent involving it did the confidention of rtfjkny and important new which had never yet been reduced and which remain to be jrtovfa by isxleptmdent of any ralamiry refaecling the crop which hoped the blefling of Providence would Before hcfhouKI proteeilto ftate any new in aid of rtiefc he would pflfer a few the Trade By the on the he fotry to remind the pcartd that in tile laft the balance confiderAbly againft and that the had exccfively the Expoftn had materially The of Ireland to be canfi dcrtd under three and Curu the reft were The Linen had been tcrially nott only by the extraordinary hifih which for lome yeart paft had bet n laid upon that but alfq the preffure of the fare which iud eaufed the of it to forbear pur thafing their ordinary in order the better to tride for the fuftcnance of their 5 the lauer caufe had however now operate and with refpea to the the Irifh now that the lugh lately had operated cnnfiderabty to thetr own it hivfqf given an uoufttal advan tage to the Silelia Hamburgh JLineus both hi the Bri and American it might therefore be hoped that che of Lineni ihonld in a fliort time rrach Ihc amount of the Exports of the year if Oot the greater amount of former which would give an addition of Export in that article to the value of With refpcct to the ProviCon War demand had whilft the Peace not yet rt The official of exported had been reduced frum to but when the Peace Exportation comuletely tLcre wascvtry rea fon to believe there would be an addition of and u to be that the official value remained the whilft it might be frequently eftimated at only onethird of the The Export of Cora bad been in former and wat the laft year the rcvcrfe was the was not only no but Corn imported into Ireland to the amount of This was cauTed by the fcarcity by which Ireland wat but f they leaked to the filiation of that country as it and of Cora to the amount f this added to the the amount of the Import during the jfeaoj wouldmake a difference in favour of that country 6DoeaL Confi dcrtng the profpecliof thefc encreafejj Exports in fhe three amounting to nearly rhortglvne could by no means prefiune that this cxienfion Ii51MkcPlac of tht prefent yet be was warranted in and had every rcafon to Ireknd Would again return IQ its fortncr wrth rcfpca to its Revenues and its Trade the experi ence of a fliort thntrpin was a fufficicnt ground fur and that the wife of Parliament with rcfpea to would contribute to the com fort of Great and the happincfc of He would nawr proceed in conformitiy to the wife prin ciple adopted and uoiformry praciifcd in tKts of providing additional for the fuppore of additional to ftate the which appeae to him moft liropcr to he adopted dcfrayipg the iaterca of the for the paymeftt of which taxes were to he pro He could not eitaot 06 the Peace Ellai biUhtnem j if ff would afford the of diminifliing the burdens of he hould be peculiarly twt he could only propofe taxes to meet the of the The tftfta he ptopofcd a ux upon the fame pafled during the prcfiat and tapon the fame as lure j with the exception howtw of Ibmc in addition tothofc exceptions contained in the Britirti Ad additional exceptions wow intended to exempt the raw BMttteiali of evtry defcriptioa ufed in tht ftaple mannfadutc of 6hc Linen as alfo the fait ufed in the provtfjon togrthtr of torn in ttfpeot of But before lie mould propulc the motiois uhieh he meant to he muft begleave to pwmffe fome cefpeclJng the Utauu Compael The Union is not yet arc aWc out of the to which the two were fu hied on account of their would have been uujuftto impofe thofe burthens by equal taxes But in other refpecls they are and fo for chsrrfici of all except debts to thofe they how Wot equally but by contribution proportioned lo con tribution is proportioned to and asi5 to a for O The taxes are and notehber equal in amount nqr common in tbcv but peculiar to each The nrfteoaCderation therefore for Par liatneut rclpieltng what are moft fitting for each by which to raifc theirmeans for feparate charges and for with a view to the inter eft of the feparate But the narrow policy flopping there its not what tollows t alter viewing the mtercfo of each country there a general view of refulting and com cnon to be on policy compromifiog the peculiar each to effect a general Mutual abfeucc of good feeling towards each equality of utuation as can be borne by both iu He afraid admit all theft belonging o our united whift on the other he cfcprfsly relifted Ilieir applieativn where they tend evidently lu work aa injury to one country dilproportioncd to the general or common intcreft obtained by luck a The equity juftifyiag facrifiee it in the bread of and will not be miftakcn or As to the ncceiOty of equal taxes on the produce of both countries to foreign he was not bound to admit that to argue it iiere was He need iut argue propofing the taacs to which in propofuig he ft ill rcfervcd and waintained the principle he contended that the Compact of Union does not in py cafe demand equality of Undoubtedly if a fyftem could be applying to both and placing them on aa equally fair foot that fyfteui ought to be this caic he did not admit that an Export and Import Tax ought to be paid in bccaulc it wan paid in this it not neccflary on hit but additional taxes were ucccflary in he wat happy in propofiiig thofe which would accoril with the taxes adopted by this coun The total value of foreign goods imported into Ire of the af Ireland The produce of the propofod on farcigu goods import he eftimated at and on to foreign couutries the trade with Great hritain being in each caic of courfc excluded at making together the fum of U was propuied to exempt from the opera tions of the tax on auti fait and trom the duty on goods und corn With rcfpcCl to a tonnage tax in the actual tonnage of IrcUtid wu not more than which would nut produce more than the reft of the ion nagc employed was and the Britifli iu calling for a tax cm Irifli ovcrfliot the mark for it would be in faCt only an additional tax upon them the far greater part of the tonnage employed in that country being their thefe taxes would be found burdenfomc on that clafs who were leaft able to bear any additioual but that they on the fall upon another able to bear and upon whom they would prefs very He con cluded by moving hij Refolutions the propofcd FOSTER that the Right Gentleman 1 had faid a great deal about the intended increifc ef our forry to fay he formed no great expecta tion oo that He confidcred the trade of Ireland at being ma declining oalatfcl every whtrej and a decline ttuft be foreign at foreign Ireland bad There wat one anideof new nrw there had Beeuagradvatfari for portwion of which waa now tfenr Right Gentleman had alfolWrnV future favingsio collcftioa tte nomy in adrniniftntion aa this that thev of collteUnt greater than when that country halTii ft had i 13 at which it now The and wat coondexabri ibercafed two v that not Kke paft theCowfe hxchange wat agui was a dHfirence about pef try and Great Britain Witt wat balance ol botng agaihft hfttrf b t be number rf whogot their money overrrotiiklreNlMJiiidfftw l F W trnVHn 11 litre whicb were not fpenHn ir reft of antountine to Ireland i find over to tht Bagfft T her nwt raifing the WiiVf llie Abftntccstook away five Ireland therefore be woufd whether the trade fnch a quantity of out rfftie with the babnce agaiitft he dot rifcn in the point j which hJ from the RighV H0n wee vJhat wateritls frtrt which flicnwafurea of Right framed not nor rcgaBdcdftina tnati Rule accuftomcd to fpeakria that MI it under thtr ImpreJBoft fltould certainly be raft mi cafion to offir himfeU hotjce Of the but that he fheuld hirtfrlf aa ihtinicu his official and from a duty he owed man who deferved nioft of the if lie far fllent after hearing one of wMe RiEhtl meant tion on the inercalc jiiV dut riot 6nly vti QentJeman high the did he faid of rcc of Penfions and Salaries iffbat eha would be acumbcnf on tfec thcr there were juft caufea or He ailed more than ofieia of country he of eourfr of each depttrtmenY he had filled prepared b and had over nis to fucceflbr i that hecotrfd I he had never fecn bufinefs prepared HI i and perfptctitV f6 fo many ufcful or furthering vice colleAed tofether as thofir whichhe blu from his The were filch as couM fafely a fyfttnn teVnal Admioiftration fdrihe affiurt of aay or not only wJtk confidcrationt of public at received from hit nptc for increafingihe and on plans thenwfl eeaao to its The Right bwaaflcrtcd that inwhithbe ficial or autnrqtic accountt With of the amopijt in curred tn the two laft thVy f6unde4 on oe au thcntic hitbcrte fettt ftom tbefeplaas to which ht had ftUtdfd were purpofe of reducing expeitcet of collecli and on principkt the aeft politie aud i among thefc to he rtckroned tie twfpea tothe rbVpiawT of theTe whp were orotherviiif ujStfop and proper With what the Right Gentleman hd of gecffive decreafe of the he could from official and authentic the laft five the whole of what doe that find not been There was crcale in the proportion nf and what had been expended fo as to produce to the moft CORRY that what tHe ftlght j tGentlemant had rendered it nectjUary for he fliould be as contife as refpeft adverted to by rne fcight in his mode of ftating the cer twnly appeared to exift but he fhould have recoUeOcd that it principally owing to the new mode ing by which aft that due did ap pear within the given r filth was the cafe with Hearth and Window evca with the and the Carriage tho furplut came iaw the Re venue computed for ycir but for which no al lowance had been made bV tte Right i A With rcfpea to the expcnoM of the coMeifUoh incteafing from ti to 13 per the Right Gentleman furely not ignojant that thcfe included alV the managen the repayments to the and In regard to the with refptft to the Revenue they were as he could iu ft If takca pride iu the regulations were fonndedin The PuftOffice fo the ttentleman kntw jcclt of the increafed expcnccs of that department from the calamitput fituation in which the country plunged at thofs pe riods in wme indances the that4utyin the uual way was impoffihle employed but where the duty was performed office the tatrcafe of i xpencc cc fmalL The Rfgbt hit taies loft by the todiimfortunatcly M botli udes of the account ficit on that to the amount of there was an incrcafe upon the dytfea produced by the trade with Great Britain certain it it were loft but in particular the xp per act cording to the fdicdule in the Union were gained cxclufivc of tlie dutiea on the refult of which a gain on the whole to the amount of fo that the Right Gentleman guilty of an error in his ftatc mcnt of With refpedl to the btlance being agaiuft as ftattd by the Right a great deal of that was owing to the tacreafcd importation of particularly in a circumftince which in probability would not occur to the fame extent BEaia the incrcafed importation of old and new in a great degree to he accounted for by thofe circurur ftanccs which had entirely the annl1 hilatod the pcliy in ail confequencc of and of the facility for fpccuiation by the paper circulation of the number of foon after embarked in the Woollendrapery among it was unncccflarj to that a number of cnfucd icveral gthcr fourcct of deereafc may be attributed to the like or andon aufy day when the and the Righr Gentleman he would meet him in and on every item of this With to the fyftem of on which fo much and the mode of taxation lately he have to trouble Committen a few In regard to the firft year he into office be about to provide for bv taxation tboCe

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