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   Dublin Journal (Newspaper) - May 20, 1802, Dublin, Dublin                                IMPERIAL from wlith arerj ariftB this refource was We Jiad by nur Naval Power HMJSE OF MAY I On the order of the being read for uking into con federation the Definitive Lord SrANUotMt made general oblcrvaiiong on the and adverted to the lejrcumflance of the Fiift Conful having obtained the appointment of Firft Magiftratc of the Italian Republic i he of opinion that made Init Very Hitle addition to the Power in Having fame important of uuothtr nature to communicate tit the it that they related to the danger of our from the recent French invention of a he moved for the exclulimi StTitUgcrs were ordered to and adrritted iu about hah tn Lord GRENVILUi wac faiV That whatever difadvantagej might arilc t ihc country from Uis unfortunate he would be cue of thr fti ft to concluded hythr Power which had the by the cbnftrtution of the to t and whatever were its Parliament wns bound to accede to it and it was an the country to maintuin itinviolahhle Alter fuch what cnuld poiTiblytC urged igaiuft the difcnftion of IVrmnol the Treaty what inconvenience could refult from pointing out to the the injurious likely pntrcd mm them Why bnot to be allowed to Houfc to fix a mark upon thofe impolitic and weak rs who badnegotiated fuch and Whole councils had concluded it Thcobjca of what he flipuid t tyaf to afccruin tht fUMfUJonin whichthfc country flood now the Peace wajs and iu was to point tftit the dangerJu was involved by the nm for the purport of Jmvirinlng the dan of exciting the country to adopt the real Hne of ace flufutd propofc tothem art of their de the t buthaving thecoon DefinitiveTrcaty had been he might v Definitive Jfhoflfiht itmeccflafy to have f new meafore WttihfichJ on the part 1 in the had not ifirrncd bv ininjtjelyjmore pf e le calling theat tlicWdxrtVto what had been he againftthe Prclhnfnaty It 2 he negotlatiomfor peace there were two grounds or ectfliiry a tog contetl 10 were they of peace the negotiationproi cither qw the actual 1he vli1eti theparffcs or thV ikuation vawhtctv fcluy Rotta at the tihic of tioiiv thefhe nciafcoWot tlie Definitive proceeding diftinMy thtffegn undC they had applied both in thje ljnoft prejudicial manner poJTIWe to this Jiadifpfcifml tOthr wftli regard tq Eng byttgiving upill taken duriflgthe war to they had adopted iW vti fnffiJetit as to liy IcaviHg hrf in poflelhdn of all lie had obvious at the commencement of country frarhl pbfKfllon ad vantage i operated tohe dlfidvinlatffof the Itwas df France andSpam dcfired that we havrdiminiihcd of France upun ib propottionto onilacHfices with refpedr to the Cojoniei hjid taken irPrance not have been pqrffladed to it wits out duty to have extended for the porpofeidf compelling Car by Trtatj1 had made atver W rfSueeihe jinxvfcr of France onthe Continent 5 U given hW the nijtansof By tfcejncafoacity they hatl leff thtrnfclvcs with during 6f a naval The i ci a that the Fleets of France could notflir now they had been tuftetcd to proftcd to the Weft Indies and we were compelled lo Tend an expenfive armament to watch We were poflcflion of fufficient have enabled us fa have carried on the war till we had obtained and revAmable ccinditioni nf Had we availed ouriefvcs of them No we bad left to France t lie whole preponderating powirbf the had htjr in the poflclfion of Itily We had alia added to France pof fcflioDsof confidcrablc importance in to ftipulate that they fliould not he We had given up to the townand port of Cochin a fltuntion which the French would avail themfelves of for the Iurpofe of intrigue one in which we fhonld have moft to apprehend from the of and lead be able to tlii JLordHup maintained that it was necdTary for the fafety of our Indian that this country fliould have retained the Sove reignty of the Capel In the We ft Indies we lud reftared to France Martinique and Tobago and facilitated the means of recovering Sti She was btfidffr in poflcflion of and the fruitful country of Flo rida for it was a circumfhnce too plain to admit of a doubt that never could keep Florida while France had poflcffinjn of In addition advant flie the means of rtitering Mexicoat any was the comparative ntuation of France and Eng land in the Eafl Weft ind How did we ftand with to the the next feat of ottr naval Our naval fuperierity in ihe Me diterranean but his MfniF tcrs had pi act d the country inJfuch4 that he defied any one tatcliliim how a frngle fiiip could be feat to the By Ah0l policy they dlfpnf fefled the country ind the Ifland of which conld be only nfefol the purpofe of excluding MS thus deftitute of the nicaW of ffeeV in the Ejery object of jmportaiicc obtained by the valour of our Navy been Cut rendered Hy the cottnfels of thofe Mi whp had made them into the bftadiof Npw to addf cfc their LordOiipi on the df thefe various chartes ithe defence rcfted bh the ground of jm per for In this Jthe Noble Lord who had a4 vanctd it wasat lead unifoiinly maintained that the country not in a condition to drain everyrefourcc to carry on the but hit MaiijttyV MiniOers dented the eiiftcncc of any fuch If it wax the country was undercijpcumftanccs of imperious not Trfeaty Agreed tbirbut what fecurity nift wtr tfrat France would w recover ftatc neceffity tQ Such a fonr riarf wifujcl onjy furnilh facrificfc to ricngccj from Job to rU we had hhtlung fo contend coin munition of it in to many oqfervaitions of com mercial by Fcapcc uodcrjthle Upon ijueflfon of contended that in or der to be with this recoim mctided a large impofiible fend a fleet It was with peculiar fatisfaction he un derftood it the intention ofXjoirernniept fojsfdopt the ncccijTurymeafures for having ChapoeJ Wcc1 ready foe fortyeight hours re tbwar than himfttf vlff it this otiu nttjf new under every made a snoAgtoriotia was which the tacd Wmfclf bitein of intro e loft which had He concluded of blockaded in IOC of to lir what occur lltt fippotitiQA tomir ieiiBretttles aiid France i an ariTtament tiw anct jgitboCed on tKc ncofeflity a Iprce wore than donLle to any had fem during Thus the iirftfruirt of the Peace was the of keeping ah arinarfieiit of 35 fail of the line iu jvai evident the DefinitiveTrcaty tairted cdnceUVons infinitely more important than the Pre liminary Articles ancl it was no that tfic conT duiSlof French evinced dtrlign to ex eiude the commtree rTts country Continent M liiuatioo Por tugal had been had bcvn mcrety1 Ma nnd with regard tp tl cJrit ts conccrning tKat Prince with As AiWord ncr it raflulvc it a free port or After havfegttihuviiied rjjajj fliould be inde and that its fiidepeudcncc fliould be guaranteed of the Fnweri of cumpetent to under Xhe guaranise of fix who neVWcotlla lie brpuAhtiaagree upon thr fubjcct of it How1 coiildMaltarUainits independence How was it of the and fortrefs could be provided by PpWcr 46 whom ri revennes were ieft The Noble prowedvd fliow that the of for Malto amounted to while really to that uot amouut to ouye and thejnlcreuce he drew front his tit inwft nn and that in all probability c wliwle wottld fhnrtly fall under the power of Itr adverNd to an ailvmtage given to the French with rHjieel to the mutual ceiUon of It was aipuhttdtbat the Trench inhnhitauUof Ceylon and Tri midadwright rrtire from thofe of the Wind into the Treaty with refpecttp the Co onics ceded to France His Lordfliip that tiy the nonrenewal of the Vrcaty this coun renounced the right that Francefliould not ac In SpaniflvAmerica any with reference to were not granted to It WPS necd to urge how much more important fuch a llipulation have been at the prefent moment than at the period of the Treaty of By the Treaty of we dad ceded Uoree and but it thefame time the ftflton was under a ftipulation for the liberty of carrying on the gum but nov ccffion had been confirmed the renewal of the ftipulation entreated Ihc attention of the Houfe tritnVutuaiipn in which the Country ftood the ime fif tKccommencement of the It in a ftaty of but under cirom ft4ncci cakulatcd as much as p6flible to Alleviate We had pofTefllon of colotjfei to an immenfe wJlich were not oniy from their military hot for carrying on tbe waritfelf Che proilucc of s IB lettlinjj Wy not been arran by That an humble prefer ted toMs take cpnudcrafloQ the Treaty of hadibctn graciottfly plvafed tp comftni nicatcttrrbskkMHauft acknhwledged with all due hu MajeRyVprerogative or anithit itfhould be its firtlduty to maintain inviolate the vt pleefgcd Treaty ofs and to jeflyin cnfagemeritf which his Majeftyj had ehgagicd hrntiftlf to adhere That the Houfc cnuld not conceal its awful at cond dcring the ntuation which had been the refult of theTrcaly ef Peacci That ft could bSerjng his Majefty fuch provifiofcs as had been adoptcti 6 avert the danger That inipofliUe for Houfe to fee the tiint attended tiie the tby VnfchfaCriRtres had midc on the part of this Country without any cpr refpondipg cpncjsflion on the pare Prance that nume rous of clafliing iutcrefts hrft unfcttled that in thp moment of Peace we had feen indubitable and convincing proafs of the ambitious projects of our Rival that thcfe canfiderationi had impofed on the lirJtlflj Go vernment the ncceflity of nicafurcsof the Houfe relied oil wifdom of the power of andhuniblythought itrtefeflary to aflure hij Majtfty its ready and firm fupport in his ex ertions in relifting every frefii encroachment on the comt nwrcial of the limpire that it was deurous of a fyftcm of occonouiy with a naval mi litary adequate to the danger of thecoun try actuated by aftoccrewifh for and imprcflVJ with that canuftly wiflied hij Ma by amicable to arraagtthhfe joints which had becii left unfettled by The Duke of ttaftiglit the fpefjcli nf flic Noble Lord tended to the immediate riftiVwai of notwithftnnding the Definitive Treaty bf Peafc fo conducted by moving an amendment the omiflion of all that part of the Noble Lords prupufedadJrefs after the llfft which aflur ed his Majefty of the cooperation of tire Houfe in maiii taining the terms of Peace the Noble Lord had argu ed in a which went to fhew that any Peace muft be The Noble Lord had alifd argue that whafeyer we gave up to any other country was a furrender to France j which was not the With re fpcct to it fliould bcrecolletSledthat it was to be open to all flups of ad It would have been bet ter to have vthat illand under the protection of Ruflia than Naples but ftill the latter power a ftrong intercft in it from any of After yaripus 9tbcr in fupport of the Lordfhp concluded with moving an Ad drefs to hu That the Houfc do exprcfs its Ap probation of the aft Treaty of Peace and that although the Houfe lamented the calamitous that the Continent was with frth faotion they honour and fccurity of theft and that the coun try had been cominuaUjrHwrvafajg in its and of Ui mcaua of affecting and ihdepctxdcntcj and HoUHc vrould afTure Majefty that khej do every thing in their power improve the bleflings of trnlrhji at the fame tjmji V tbatWigflance tfi h tRe Ctu at icTn emplo of Europe and which ntceflary for the charadeifVnd Irtdependcnce of this Lord MUUGRAV that although thfe tftmc WM not fufll could wifli it whiih he ftiouW jrcfet Jo a continuance of The argnhicnts rcla ive tothc infiiturity of unfounded in Thai iflarid poflcfled an impregnable which would in future rcndec itimppffible for the FrettehiQMhr t by they ntfvcr could have taken it had any refiftaace been wheh attacked in 1 With the whieii took place in Italy between the figning of the Preliminary and Definitive Tneatfe lie was fome difference between the Qifatpihe under the1 influence of the Italian under the contrcnil of the Fir ft he would whether the diffirrence of luch importance that the chance of getting rid of would be a fufficient ground breaking Treaty and renewing the war With to 0nt Sovereignty ft tjieTe very cotitcerning the bonrcnewal of which fo much was had rather to confirm than abridge He faw no danger likely to arJfe from the of Louinana to France becanfe in the firft there no riding or harbour for it New Orleans r in the next place there was no prcba iliiy of the French making an attack at any time brcijufe the country between Loutfiana and tico was Lord AUCKLAND that we hid come out the war with as many advantages we pofubly could have The Noble Lord who predicted fo danger the nonrenewal of the Treaties with diould have rccoHedlcd that the Treaty of having entered jnto only for 14 ffid expire as a ma4 and that tht which took place in ud other parta of the moft have ren derca other impraifUcible and Lord the Definitive Treaty wat a cpmplicatiun of cunceflion upon which dif the j I fappofc this a fterich ud feftundary of thkk country ArL it different from of two lf fo Irtiimdary thttn the foil c have siren free poflcflion of twbo rtrers in tte the Thtfc not tolooJjal fcJiiop KhowV j r there WM very ftrong the CommtrcialMrtatiet with France iHe other ought not fa be He would flcif lit wpuld lie wife to rcfutoe treating wkh Holland thcmedvunvof Pranfe If it was nothing he to look at thCdlflVrtnt of Eu had andhow little we had loft Great ftrefs had been laid on the to the Prefidency the Ita but he would if France had an inch in Icily by that act As to the Ifle of where the whether ft thoKirtgof Etruria So far thiokma Jthaf by the the American it I 6nly their jealoufy againft a power bccable to attack them in that tjuar rh and he truftedi that in any future and fliould find thefo to Tpiift watchfiil The Noble Earl between Jthe ftate of France and CrearBjitain j the former was diftracted by parti s and theexitienceof iupwfcnt Gavcrnmcnt depended on the life 6f one aiirii and the not in a condition its its tiie of whofe cominerce and and enabled her to call silt energies people and who now enjoyed a jftate of unexampled Lord ECLENBOROyOH congratulated his King and his Country the annihilation wf all the nftrlefs trafli whicTi Contained in fourteen or treaties and been have militated a of reafon and common As the revivingbf Noble might as talk of condition of rrtankind In forne remote Withrtgrfriltb otir thecountry was in the fame fituation flic bad ever been The of treaties qucftion would have rporc advantageous to Bona than to thfs GovCrnroentjjthercfQiPejtlienonreiiewal could not Re httpiited a crime anainfi rtgwrd to he confide red conduct of this towards her gencrqlvs in the and that the nation had difpTayed its intrerity her by ftipulat ing for her riehts and ng Lord ROSSEtYfJ defended the Definitive arid adverted particularly antiquity of thofc and privileges attached td the BrUifli He did not confi dent he honor of that fljjg in anyway comfironiifcd by the ftipulations of tncDefinitive The LORD a fpecch of three hours in faid that he did not mean to reprefent this Peace a glorious but on the whole Peace concluded for the benefit of this and requiring a zealous and vigilant attention to its to prevent its being Hetiexr adverted to the which had been urged againft the on which tbeDefinitiveTreaty many of which he thought were fo to be fcarce worth Lord CAMDEN fpokc agamft Duke of RICHMOND and Earl SPENCER in favour of theo Houfc divided on the amendment NonContents 16 16 Majority for the Duke nf Norfolks motion was then put and negatived without Lord HOIXAND moved a thcJate Miniftera in having neglected to avail them feivcs of the frequent offered ita the courfe pf the war of procuring an advantageous ticularly in tiic rejection of theovertureaof led to the Aatc of things wfhich produced the neceffity of prefent motion wui at Halipafl Seven in the Morning HOUSE OF MAY BEFINlTlve On the order ofthe day being read for taking into con fidcration the Definitive Treaty of WrNDHAM and after a few general obfer 1 fliall recapitulate the leading points in the Definitive by which the French havp io much fuperiprin diplomatick In the flrfl by not fptclfying the roodeef execution ofthe article relating to we arc left open to the nnefle of the who can throw the illaud a garrifon of their own and thut render the completely fubfervitnt to of French ag and The Mext point of impor tance the Cape of Good By the Preliminary Treaty we were given to undcrftarid that this would be made a free itt freedom is a mere Some pcrfyna coijfidcr this placets a fort of for our to refrefh at on their way to I am of opi nion that it a tavern of the greeted confequcnce to us from its fmutioa and natural fuch a one as indeed be We could not fend out a ingle regiment to any of our pofTeflions in much lefs a grand for the purpofe of future fccurity or without ita arriving in the moft dirt re Ted and deplorable vondition at its were it not for the derived from putting in at the Cape of Good Hence the quefUon it not we lofc by this but what the French will gain by never was fuch a fourcc of danger open to this as that occasioned by the of this territory by theFrench it is a magazine in which they may prepare the grcatcft and by fome future exploficn may flwke us like As the French and Portuguefr 1 to be the urople ftate of the of nf the world fuicflf France arc of a aifpofition The Treaty pf JLnntville pafled Grand his By this jean i capture that they may grandixcnjent QVgnt n The French bjr this treaty have rti and put a J 3y this anf4km fromoiie end of the fpecl it feeing what flic already pcrforw A have to mutilated that powers now only remain on kiD may deferve to be to the laft fcut and a prey to dopjeftie who can venture to rfut power will not go by the peace has met with a number tj inay npt vifv iu I mean the Briiilh ifllhe Wett coromand wnich France will the in JtcflipouMbi more paeiicHiariy winch Hie can attack at any future 1 do not hcfitatc to t lately is little fhort of portant refuhing Frenclj is the command nc with facha country it will prove to her a fccond Bf ft I only oonfider the i Frxnce will over t if the Utter fhaujd at ny tinje then let fajr whether any fgurtedfibur j nefs would be fecurc againft tion that 1 of iu My bpinioa Hftn country has not fuch I ation as it might its or the great Object ofthe It bisl faid tjje people for peace but them people thcvileft atl I wpujd fimply aflcj whether at riod in our hiftory public prints were toleratedIflfiBi ing and the herpes armies Sedition had height the pedple and tljey openly and ioudivnjoii tbelucceflcs cif the time of his to PjrdTMo i thAnks for three of the greateft with wh HeayeH evcrVbleflied this with the fhadow of with acclamations It has Keen aflerMd that thepeople are pioite id poverty the ftate of tide poor labourer to commiferation the fpirit and crtdicUiOimo of For my I am convinced pine in true we have been in a gallofi but the war brought more intid political bewU of nation iiao fro Windhani then went Jjyerj tm grounds which have lately difadvantageous fituation in wWch we were the Definitive Treaty ajid after exprcffing hinopiniJ that the feefimple of Great Britain was worth aotl on the 30th of September than it can many years to be concluded by il was far from his withes that the ihaulanot fcrupuloufly and adhere to every itenj of tb treaty he conceive it duly to elude with That aiihumble Addrefs be prefmted to hia Ma jell I aflur ing hVs Majefty that we fliall couCdtrhiol be our fifil duty to maintain with honor and but at the fame time that f we cannot refrafh from lamenting the numerous dttfo for difputc ajid contention which are ftill left untdjuStd in the prefent treaty That by relinquishing fuch poiWI of Great Britain haa impofed upon ItcrfeU n I important which fliould be watched over with the I uttuoft That we therefqre rery on bis Majd I tys determination to re ft ft every encroachment upon oar I political and commercial and we truft to J Majefty will approve c our Jefirc to fupport them by a I naval military force applicable to the critical I of our That wi alfa4ruft will convinced of the nerflfity of adjuftiogv by fair dffcuffio fuch points as ace ftill objejft of or tint in I the prefeut awful we fltould prepare to dangers of our Lord FOLKSTONE feconded the Lord I view ihe negociat quite different light frotn thatin which my RigF Fi icnd feesns to xonuder I am of that waslxrtier to fora longer to defer that I th under all the it would have been extremely culpable in w have declined it but I undorftood nuatc that there was no other alternative for the or that the Peace is to he confiderc4 any poifttj view to me projpnf to have divided itfclf into two heads whether tw terras of the Definitive Treaty were eonfiftent bafis of the Preliminary Articles and whetftw if any departure fromthe Preliminary Articles had taken or which had occurred duringiw fuch as to induce W1 niftcts torcfulc to conclude the Treaty Before I cccd to remark on thefe I beg leave to fay words of the circumftsncen in which this country volvcd the time the ncgociation It wow be that we were then almoft alopf tt contend with France to comply Peace dlAatcd by the enemy4 the Ocrnian Empire her mercy dciertcd by oar Allies except Portugal capable of affording us very eficctive inftcacl of the head of a formidable menaced W of jour old under the influence and direc tion of Such was our fituation and in lemma was ibc oftinion oi all   

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