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   Dublin Journal (Newspaper) - April 6, 1802, Dublin, Dublin                                JMfRRML HOUSE OP MARCH Heard cnunfcl in a Scotch flftiery appeal feil Scott t deferred further hearing till LoW the report from the committee appointed to the of the U refVefttng the to Irllh Peeragei frUh Wert to vote at for ffceHi in ferve In phe Imperial reiotationt agreed to were at folow I thai it it the opinion of1 nil commit teX tltat itt all caftt where any tfbo diH not fit ill I vpM in the Hpafe of of Ireland before the or whofe right to fit and not aftmilWtf the Houfo the nr of Peert of Ireland to lit in ftrliatneni of the UoiteH haujtotorfliMI have admitted by to vote at Inch fuch tlltm tci peti fonlothe Hoofer figned by tjifcnerlon fo or nil Ilia behalflflatiilR tlie manner in f claimant title uuhe Peerage the right of the claimant ta nf Irehnrt to fit tn th Parlia Kingdom may be admitted by it is 4ht this of the Parliament to V the of the re Co j t f tp oltPeera of Ireland to fit iU of tjniied frejaod now or perfout claiming to be maVnby etition lo ftTtrTaSIf no in abcy artce oughVtb be proceeded on il the fjme hal confi of this have u tKeophfieW rf the fiicli it iii4l therefore to be deemed and taken to i be an tliieliStjrth arti RefolvctfcTbat it icdie oplBio of tHll in risbu to defceqrtQr be liberty Ulrti to claim ftrfeh Peeragd and tbat loch claim be proceeded and alloweU ih thefauie aiauner v1de4 in tjie cafe of Pceii Claiming to voie 1 lie and foarUi Rcfolii after feme tlieMaMuif Lbrd Iwl of the Duke Norfatkf ord Atvanlef were and thrrriiuatiiiug Rttjlutiont Were to be taUetr r confideraiiou on Vriday Bills on the table iu ihcir fcvoral i SUTlGK to niake Nit promifcd the of to the of the Why of Irife to fuh mjit to Hie Cifpafflonate confideratioii of the jgjtton ot Which I gave notice fume time greateft confidence in the jafliccof nvy tlioueh 1 hope and ttut no fubfuntial tihjec tionil oeurge4 againft it4 J that a afk of Hw HigliuVls and the not to tjw lot of whofc abilities wereniore competent to it than my iii rticfi luationwhichl have the honour to I felt it nccet tuty to Rate tome circumftancca in the diieuuioa which oecwrred Cotne time la the courfc of that dttcvf iiooit appiwrfd to be the with of tbe rfcufc to enter into further inveftigatiou of the It tberefore be MUne again my duty to trouble I am fure no man coold fed more gratitodc than I did for the candour and indulgence have cifkericncedj the mod refpeAful return I can nuke will be by trcipaufngat little M poflible upon the ttnw and patience of the Houfe Thr nature and ob jeel of my motion wiHbe to appoint a Committee to iu among qriier what fum the tTevenuct of thi of Cornwall have been and under what from the birth of Royal Higfincft to biA attaining tbe agie of alfo an account of the fumt advanced to His Royal Highnefs to the t7th ttfjune fur the payment of his debts Should I He fb fortunate as to fnececd in atty aikdlp obtain appointincnt of a it will be fptfftd necef fary in tnat Committee to recur to to in velligatt of farliatncnt in order to tlir judgiiient tn alcertab be any thing fuftckntly doubtfnl in point of in pmnt of f to reipiire toe ivtcrfcrenceol tlie Courts nt andto decide upon the and prcecdentt lubmittcd to the duct come witUiu peculiar province And cognil If the Houfe agree with and a Coniipittccne appoiniedf two to tliem Whctbrr tHc Prince be or be not entitled i he uf tlie revenues the Duchy of Whether if he the Publio bas received 4favfe revcnuet I 0aH proceed tn ftatc foiuc tit circumftanccs upon which Royal HighucIVs tUin is founded and I am the more anxibua to do in order to evince to the Houfe that there is no difficult nor abftruit point of law involved no principles or facls of aro nut pettot to and I need fcarcely remind the Houlc that Uie titjc of the PHucc of tbftOuchy Cornwall it founded upon a grant Third tu all oh the lilack Hp conveyed the Duchy and its to Iu foo for bismaintenance when kc unit eight jean of The objcauf jthe grant to ntake over thi property to him independent of the to mtuuiaiu the Prince iu rhe fpkndour be afl bijb birth and The of the gram hat been tp vcft the Duchy Prince of Walct from the moment of hit birth j he it horn Duke ajad to livery of puflcQiou from the moment of hit being He it declared of full UXK nrfneik to tkc t heDuchy Irqin dial Such beittf the objctft operation of that 1 Cvntcfs it fccre to roc not a little ordinary King thuutd be entitled to hold the tcvcnuvt o Duchy till the Jrgoce attaint the age ivitbout giving any account of IjBjtf that the King Should e 1 beg to be diftindly underAood by the There it ng contrqiverfy between Hit Majelty and the prince upon tbia Majcfly hat not received the docs he with Uobi auy account of if has been any queftion with the King if bis had really tcceivcd the and the of Bcitlvcr mfcU nor any perfon the wvuUl have been permitted by his Royal to have Airred and agitated the qucftion for a monnrwI cntrat tKersfore to have it undcrftood that 1 am peaking ab it it not A little when a grant ha other perfon flxwld fcotivt tbe of yet doubt have been entertained by a Noble perfon in the other arid by an Friend of who fits near doubts which thofe for whom t iHe Wghtft refpea and ex are to he greatcft wwigbt and the mod criuua cmiidcration yet 1 am CQAVinccd that thoie perfooa never a decided opinion nion the fubjeA Oiey did no more than ther the as guardjiart of huclfildJettilfeflnot a right to receive the of the Duchy Thit doubt how ever wai quickly for guardianOiip in chivalry only o uniuft and oppfeulve of guaraliaalbip I abolitned by Ad of IL By I oMderiroodi that the feudal fyftcm wai done and fwept ad for the fake of thsu it Aill the in not apply fa this Another dpUbr whether the or by bilitr to re ceive the raitt of thicbjf f If Anything of prerogative in the it arifen out tficgrant rT1iat oot the will be hy a rreference to the fcvera that have fuceeedcd the reign of Edward iojave the time I Elit by tfirce fucceffive The firft ay ihave lyady wat froni tMuard bitJfoo theBjack hit his ttichard had Henry afcrndcd the I hceijCj foo had UrerV though Hrary C when nit ion wat months of no time forgiving Him livery Bnl the moR feijn rhe year hit ejdcft yK waa Iii an Adi was that bftj being Horn thike of and having right of thcr Tiim tjiia the laid thai of poiTeflioA fo refjtlarflf aa be rity weigh the thrrebtionr bjpaav tMf kurthetfj ther incurred wifely or fame in ti full a niaiiner wat Ky Edward tbe Black The AA at he is under rjghl that he and fueh iierfons with Iiiin If tharfronvtbe of i45CrUie BJivc the rents and revtnnct of the Duchy till the Prince attaint tne age cc rtain fumi he applied to the fpecifird year the Cduniel the nlovee i tM in which tKeyi watCoke of Shd i of he may enjoy avrnll Krnanner alanyof a petition of riglifc T aebited in and with thefr the ur it the inference I draw froni t jt thin that King had no couldentifte re cciv If he had why to Parliament why Hpulatc t why wJtk ccudtfd in fuch and called a ptfttipn Of right The Kirtg confcntt to thii claim to of yO ip that Ike Kings cldcfl fan right I am notafraid of being tpl4 Hcatry the 6jh wat s weak Prince tje fit charge ap ply tsrbis Purliamem which fo the petition And 1 injgM perhaps fafely reft my cafe but I will proceed tt ftatc other iuftwnces to remove eviery flronn4 of the year Ed ward by the advice of hit Privy granted tbe Duchy and livery of poOcfBon to kit then only eight months or a old and patcpt that the eldeft font being born Oukea of entitled to of I 6ate the very Thit charter of being ratitiedand con firmed by the coufcitt oi the Spiritual and and I that there is nonage with rclpeA to the fa when Henry came to The he had no fon the rcvenuet of the Duchy were vcAed in ktaV Vw jt wai that if he bad A cajoy and tbe in at fulift atajtncr any of his property ofthit Diiehy is held by an extraordinary vefb in the Kng if hat no it iocs to the fan the u and tn the Kfag again would hit tat King Henry appointed tertaio thfTcntt of the to go to the relief of hb from fome gnevauce of The next year bad a Prince and the King givet him livery ot pofltffion and rccita that he it of full Juttice by that itll lli KingVcJdcft fon u not only of hut that the King ia by law forced to ijive him as if he were of pertec In tkc ear Prince aa I already and had livery of poflWTibn given man imme diately after his An aA alfo pealing the aflignmeni mide of Certain tola from tlie Duchy to go to the relief of the from the grievance of and the receiver wat directed not to pay On the death of Prince Arthurto afterwards Henry became Duke of and wat discharged from Duke of becaufc he had great and valuable to a large amount tbat had been levied inthe DucnV were ac counted for to thit Henry waa of born Duke of When his charter of ppfTculon was made out I know hot he in In the three fucceeding Edward and there no I come to the reign of rcjgn of James I have becnYloM that 1 fliould nwwt withloniething very the Prince s With all the that I have been able to give to the I confefc that I find no in therein but many vour of tlVe It it true tbat anxious withhold property frqni and bad 4t tout been for the great knowledge of JufUcc who was hit I when his foo would have got poflcf An act was palled at latt in which it it recited the eldctt Ions of the King arc entitled to become Dukes of Here tjje King forced at laft to admit the and to conlefp tbat the cldea fon it from llttt liiprli I I m W ijf had noiuuc abdicated t he William and Anne had no We now come to the prcfent furtily ttpou the the lime be twecu the Charfct and their all feudal tenures were and their chaaer of livery and court of were done by the When King ftirae to the under ajc he came wi age howctrr within au accouot tendered of the of thethtchy from fathers during fome part whkfi Mine fie had btcntj A cafe of fuch modern date I Ihonld remnvi ull doubt In prcfent Majtfty afccndcdthc and in the year Royal Highnefs wat From the moment of birth title and ncr Bofn Duke of he entitled louche of the Mo ad was neccflary to be done charter of livery wai fincc the adl of Charfci After an aft was paffcd to enable the King to grant Icafca of in Hie wat 6th of the Princes aA that wKcreat Frince feifcd of the Ducby of docs felling but tan Higbnefss right to the revenues was the Tame at that of hit predeceffort Thefe arc fome of the leading circumflaaces upon which the titles and claims are I am not aware of any principle of law or any parliamentary precedent or ceedmg calculated to invalidate The hetT ww to expound any myftery thrft hat occprred in Parliaoieot u by a proceeding of all the I have aud cotrfiftcnt in fuonort of the validity of the 1 coufeft 1 am at a lift tp dant rcafon to account The next reveaoet ayery fmall compaik It ittet be that all except a huff v carried If iny tfonW Se entertaJned on thit could femove to the iuthkrity of the late ChanctUor Exch who ttated kite revenf ft of theijb chy wad becVlappUcduf tUdttf were recognitedlty ohul be permitted to that if hit RoVa HighnefA title ap peaJt fo 1 cannot bring myfelf to thit Houfe w1lf Conceive Jt properiA compel hini to hate ro eourfe to tegal inearth to efnbliflt hit if the ftatemcnC I haVe fubmitted be no caDnia man can and nn honeft matt will Let tlicHoule je eolleajtolfthc not in joiirequence of a complaint from of a demand t Let it be recoHeaed bne ttiateicSaroblect yilh the that fliooldeni fion of the civil excite night difbuf rec of content a circnmlUMie which to Another mwrtve f iMtftdutlog thJir fubiccV and furcly every oHe will allow it V W 4 TindaWe tootiWwith IjiV Royal tM Attftt well with the andw tie birM ia tovenuet he now bijt Tihirre 4a one which ttfthcjconflderauonand attention of the Hbuftfbould agree to the vconfcqucnce fuch Committee would recom mebd afldif ccfult of 1 that inquiry that His Royal I ain aUtHorifed fey JHjit fcoyal Highnefs to that foeh furpliu flibuld be applied iu not obfervattoo in what manner Coinmit ee proceed My MotiOaitW k That ioqaire what Anns of money art due ofvWalei the revenuti of Duchy of Comwail 5 by afld by what thule were recxtved iduring the pcriofi the age atnd how tbafe films to of money have been advaoccd to tiw Prince of Walca frtml ifie tfme of of up the the payment of bis Co tbefc He In ving oa hia tat a fuardiaa wmi not at ptofltt bdonging to fth8li IK hk wlfli of he did not think thclfe Sir RALPH M1LBANKE tiMcrveji Whole tettoi of the fpeech by the Gentleman who juft and the Ible hit motion f r notliufi ntore than a bate meeting of juft ice to Hit Royal Hjgnnei tfac irtnce of heflit the highcft in coming forward tn fceond the The motion iiiying been read by the Speaker i UilfcR he thought the right of Prince of been ftitly acknowledged naU of that that Humphrey Morrii bav ing been appointed to a place in the Court of the Duchy of it wai moved to vacate his eat in that Houfe it determined by the the place toot baaf attached to tne could not vacate nij The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER that in anfwer to what had fallen from the laft been determined that offices in the Duchy of though belonging to the did not Vacate the in Parliament of thefe accepting If he froni UMC nature of hit accede to the motion jnft and fo ably forcibly fupported by hit And learn ed he ffiould be to do it t powerful at the fupport of the motion 4ad it had not the effedt of producing a conviction on hit mind of the eftabliih mt nt tbe right of the Prime of to the revcnuet of the Ducky of Cornwall from the time birth j but if he were convinced of there are reafont whiak would prcvejtt kit concurring in the Hit and Friend had alerted a and had leave to fearcB for precedenit in the journals to eOablifr that The and learned Gentleman bad moved for ScleA and if they flnll be of tka fight of the Prince of they arc tkcai to woecca to cflimatc tbe funrt which are due on ac count of tlie receipt of thofc He thought hit Honourable and learned Friend bad fallen into afun danuntai in forgetting that it it only within the two laft that we have come to any character of fetidlion on thit The Right Gentleman then denied at considerable length tlie laid down by kit and Learned Friend who made the motion refpecling cliivalry and livery after which he bid tlut he did not at prefi nt cntcruio a decided opinion pn the lubjedL He confcffed he had greater and thought the Houfe ought not to be called upon to decide it ill it can be made out tbat legal meant of redreft can not be or at Icaft that fuch meant had reforted which Ihew that they cannot be Great legal authorities have gmn their that a petition if right may be he n the proof that the revenuei of the Duchy of Cornwall have been applied to the public fervice t In thtre an ac count of 94QOl having been applied under the head of fervice but he thought he wai cbtiUcd to call on who contended that the have been applied to thefervice of the hat really the Hit Honourable akd Learned Friend bad dated it to be the Princes wifh to ftand WcU with the No man in that Houfc could more uncerely or more warmly wifh thit to hftkk cate than he did nor could he fuppoie it poffihle thj any Honourable Member in that Houfe tould do othcl wife i in man who could deflre the WuA defcrve the execration of hit Royal Highnefs hid evinced to many great and preeminent vir that he dcfcrvcd to fbjndiathe firf rank of public If there mould be a neteffi ty for aa applica tion to another he hoped every care and meant would be tb tlut it tnonld not nave the of a He then ad verted td the rcceiptt of the revenuei of the Duchy of from 1763 to which were in feme in othert and in thirteen higheft year waa the toweft tooti He had viy reafao to doubt the accuracy of ike average at per and tbat the segregate amowt waa tjjjjcl In tJgj ance of was granted to the of which waa continued to wnen the fame wai mcnte4 to tojMoL aad the whole amount to theprcient time wai Nolmanhe faidcpuld wiOi mow than he did to accelerate the payment of the PrinceVdebtt all proper meant be wifhed it not only forthe of the perfonal feebngt of RoyiU but of all thofp who wete conctrned in it kowever ungracioui it might found to the ears of fome certain had a parucular fettafaOmi ia tlat jjwrt liameful We affaredby taken rhe Clef dy CabiiM an extract olDiviflohat Vtiforcunate totvn of a few Jinufer ed a great part of tic I that livn ovef thf fe the ayeh M is knd focne the Mi f were in parij f were infat part taken by our with all tlit kniUtary ftores it Loui has reruTned wiiti aquanttry of mi The which have been rno ajre the and1 where only dine hoiifet efcaped fhe This town wai manded by the Brigand who has madt confiderable the European Leclerc pjromtfes to fltort time peace And aliundance in rhe and to give rhe inhabitantalihe rheans of retftabliuV irtg ufvrffr North of Tbe brave Genera Leclerc hat fit en him fix to He anfwered nothing wtthin that Ipadtrof has juft Tenr a con fidentiat perfun to treat witK the who re plied he would treat whh and thathe would b on the battle in perfon on the next We are about to enter on rhe and I tmft we ball fpnre no exertion to Second vieSVsof the is abjark man of Doming and an ExDeputy to the Body f March Orange enligMtd at iheejwich ol the Revolution of havefelicited permilfiop oTFtling to pay thofe contributions to which they been lubjecled had they remained in the Match learn from the having been informed than the Pacha of Siliflria intended to make his entr arrtieliead of dech flml the to UH They that they would receive bhn with honours due to hjl if he prefeated himfejf it the head of 300men In of the tegtyiibftwetn the at continued Bight and with the great Martk learn by a letter from that the Firtt Confut has anhonnced tp all he Italiamf rafldent at that has rnalfy recogniied our and that tM other powers Are to do the As as the newi of the Peace arrivecf arParit U was announced in all the Proclamntions were iffued and publifted with and tbe Palate of and Hotelibf the Ambaffadorrwerty A concert was lo Pub lic in the Gardens of the ana there dancing and rejoicings all have experience no rife f they On the vvextat on next day at   

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